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Ray Collins
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:55 am
Guest
I worked radio for years and, to be honest, have heard enough music to
last me forever. But the best sound I ever heard was vinyl on an old
mono McCurdy console into a McCurdy tube amp. Over the years as the
business "improved" with transistor mixers, CD's, then MP3 out of a
Windows box, it never seemed to improve technically, if anything it
became much much worse. I sometimes wonder if this is one of the
reasons the music industry is in trouble.
Oleg Kaizerman
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 8:17 am
Guest
its very similar to Hollywood Golden age ,passed buy with the vanilla as
well Smile
Sony changed the rules -every one can shoot , making movie and crap ,its
cheap , you only need toilet paper for the white balance

--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
"> mono McCurdy console into a McCurdy tube amp. Over the years as the
Quote:
business "improved" with transistor mixers, CD's, then MP3 out of a
Windows box, it never seemed to improve technically, if anything it
became much much worse. I sometimes wonder if this is one of the
reasons the music industry is in trouble.
Larry Fisher
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:19 am
Guest
Hi Ray,
The use of beech is well documented in several studies. (We use an
equivalent synthetic wood material at Lectrosonics that the engineers
refer to all the time here during design work known as "son of a
beech".) Further, double blind tests have shown that tung oil is not
statistically superior to lacquer. I think that the RAM design choices
and trade offs up to that point are reasonable. However, they made a
major error by not using oxygen free bronze for the center insert.
Using common bronze simply negates all the anti-resonance effects of
beech and they might as well have just used yellow pine for all the
good it would do.
Larry F

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 07:35:53 -0700, Ray Collins
<rcol@intergate.bc.ca*remove> wrote:

Quote:
I guess Beech trees are rare. I'm absoluteluy sure there are not many
of those knobs in existance so I guess they are rare as well.

Reminds me of a post guy, who was riding an EQ til he just got it
"right". Spent a half hour just gettig it "right" Just when he had it
"right" he noticed the EQ was not punched in. Wink We sometimes hear
what we want to hear.

I'd bet Tung oil would sound far better than that lacquer. :-)

Chris Smith wrote:
Tell me, are other technical arenas as fraught with bullshit as ours?
a href="http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2">look</a
Brian Milliken AMPS
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 9:42 am
Guest
"Brad Harper" <bradharper@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<Gu4cc.189682$po.1006134@attbi_s52>...
Quote:
Well, I hate to open myself up to criticism, but I have to chime in here.



Over the last couple of years I have become a bit of an audiophile in the
headphone realm. There is a group called http://www.head-fi.org/ and this
stuff is addictive as hell. I would recommend that you stay clear of the
site because before you know it you will have dropped $3000.00 on a
headphone rig with a wish list of another $2500.00 and you will no longer be
able to listen to 95% of the crap you used to call music. I have progressed
through several different headphone amplifiers and rolled many different
op-amps and tubes trough all of them hunting for that perfect balance.



My current main rig is a Meridian 588 cd player with a Virtual Dynamics
Power 1 power cable. This feeds a German made Audio Valve RKV MK2 tube
amplifier via Virtual Dynamic Reference interconnects. Finally, the
headphones are Sennheiser HD650s with a ZU Mobius headphone cable. I could
have bought some nice new radio mics for what I have in this system, but it
is absolutely worth every penny to me.



I was never a believer in people being able to hear differences in
interconnect cables, much less power cables, but I believe it now. I was
able to balance the sound of the components in this system by trying
different cables until I found ones that I liked. Fortunately, most all
high-end cable manufactures allow for a trial period, so you can return them
after a couple of weeks if you don't like them.



As far as burning in cables, this does make a difference as well but only if
the cable is burned in and then allowed to stay in the same position without
much movement. Over a period of 100+ hours of use you can really hear some
manufactures cables open up. The cables that we tend to use for production
(Canare and Mogami) have to be rolled up as well as connected and
disconnected many times a day so they are extremely flexible, thin cables
that do not really benefit that much from burn in. The cables that benefit
the most are heavy, solid conductor cables that are not to be moved around.
Yes, solid core. The power cables and interconnects in my system are very
heavy gauge, individually jacketed solid core cable. You bend them into
place, burn them in for a couple hundred hours, and leave them alone.



I know all this seems a bit fanatical, and it is. That's why I'm a sound
mixer.

Why are you a Sound Mixer again !!!???
Brad Harper
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:33 am
Guest
I too can not tell a big difference in speaker wire, although, I do admit to
not having a very good speaker system and a worse room to listen. The "under
the microscope" world of headphones is where you can definitely hear the
difference. Silver cables can be quite shrill sounding as compared to copper
when incorporated into system that is already a little on the bright side. I
have four different sets of headphone cables and there is an audible
difference between them. One set can be on the warmer side (almost tube
sounding) while another set can be more open and revealing. It all depends
on what you like. The components are the coarse adjustment and the cables
are very fine tuning.

With speaker setups the room plays such a huge part of the overall sound
that cables will make much less of an impact, but when you take the
environment out of the equation and the drivers are less than an inch from
your ear these small differences are very apparent. You guys all know this.
You listen to dialog in you headphones and the noise from a passing car
three blocks away is killing you. That f*%#ing fan in the office next to the
one your working in is driving you crazy, and don't even start about the
camera noise. You listen to the same tracks over a speaker system later and
all that fades into nothing. No it doesn't. It's buried in the room. It dies
in the atmosphere between the speaker and where your standing. Put your ear
on the speaker and it's still there.

The same applies to music. When you use very high quality components and put
the music at your ear you hear all the crap. You hear the guy breathing
while he's playing acoustic guitar. The resulting problem is that most
recordings end up sounding bad unless great care was taken in the recording
process. When it's done right it is truly a thing of beauty, and it's still
a cheaper hobby than working on cars and motorcycles.

How much have you guys spent on a shotgun? I think Sanders told me his cost
as much as a Deva.

Brad Harper



"Eric Pierce" <epierceisnot@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:W66cc.33161$mr5.31605@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
Quote:
You have a very sly wit, Brad ;')

Here's a great article on speaker wire:
http://home.earthlink.net/~rogerr7/wire.htm#thetruth

Eric
Brad Harper
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:46 am
Guest
Because I am fanatical and anal retentive. Doesn't that qualify me?

BTW: I also wear $100.00 jeans, $150.00 shoes and free t-shirts : )

> Why are you a Sound Mixer again !!!???
Brad Harper
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:35 am
Guest
I thought the point was do I enjoy it.

Brad


The point is will your audiophile listening setup still be working like
new after 35 years?

Eric

Ramps @ NAB: Tuesday April 20 6pm. "Firefly on Paradise" 3900 Paradise
Rd. Las Vegas.
Brad Harper
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:43 am
Guest
It was a reference to Glen Trew's kid dressing up like a sound mixer for
Career Day.

Brad
Jesse Trew on Career Day, age seven years.
"I dressed up as a sound engineer.
Because my dad is one.
I'm going to be one when I grow up.
My dad goes out of town a lot.
He gets a lot of money.
You can get killed in that job."
(Note: Someone told Jesse that to dress like a soundman you need to
wear $70 Jeans, $100 Tennis shoes and a free T-shirt.)


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BTW: I also wear $100.00 jeans, $150.00 shoes and free t-shirts :
)<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Sorry to tell you but there is no such thing as $100 jeans. A pair of
$20 Wranglers or Levis will do the same job just fine.

Eric
Oleg Kaizerman
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 11:46 am
Guest
Eric when the pay check comes, it might be much higher .
Enjoy the fish, don't loose your pans:-)

--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland

Sorry to tell you but there is no such thing as $100 jeans. A pair of
$20 Wranglers or Levis will do the same job just fine.

Eric




Why are you a Sound Mixer again !!!???

Ramps @ NAB: Tuesday April 20 6pm. "Firefly on Paradise" 3900 Paradise
Rd. Las Vegas.
Charles Tomaras
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:13 pm
Guest
"Larry Fisher" <larrylectro@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:1ms2705dop2nubea3m8b7oshqi3of8f3nv@4ax.com...
Quote:
Hi Ray,
The use of beech is well documented in several studies. (We use an
equivalent synthetic wood material at Lectrosonics that the engineers
refer to all the time here during design work known as "son of a
beech".) Further, double blind tests have shown that tung oil is not
statistically superior to lacquer. I think that the RAM design choices
and trade offs up to that point are reasonable. However, they made a
major error by not using oxygen free bronze for the center insert.
Using common bronze simply negates all the anti-resonance effects of
beech and they might as well have just used yellow pine for all the
good it would do.
Larry F

Thanks Larry, but your comment now begs the question, does Lectrosonics use
"true" son of a beech?

Charlie
Chris Smith
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 10:30 pm
Guest
This is what we call the "placebo effect" for audiophiles. Spend
enough money on it, and hear the difference.

Remember the the National Lampoon Radio Hour?
"If you've got your head up your ass about stereos, head on down to
Stereos and Such!"
Hans W.
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:05 pm
Guest
"Eric Toline" <Audioetc@webtv.net> wrote
news:5488-40719543-333@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net...

Re: >snip<

Sorry to tell you but there is no such thing as $100 jeans. A pair of
$20 Wranglers or Levis will do the same job just fine.

Eric

Here in Norway we pay NOK 899 for a pair of Levis... That is USD 130.....

Hans W.
Simon Bishop
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:19 pm
Guest
Hi Oleg,

I think I know you well enough now to say that antiriot sounds more your
style to me - I know that once you're on the Guiness the rest of the night
will be a riot, so, Eric, or anyone who can get to NAB, when Oleg manages to
get to Vegas, I'll be there too, and we will be drinking Guiness and
ordering antiriot steaks at the RAMPS party.

Regards, and a Happy rest of Easter to all,

Simon B

"Oleg Kaizerman" <kaizero removeit@netvision.net.il> wrote in message
news:c5cc88$5790$1@ID-184704.news.uni-berlin.de...
Quote:
I mend entrecote , the speller oof!!

--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland


"Oleg Kaizerman" <kaizero removeit@netvision.net.il> wrote in message
news:c5cc10$5htb$1@ID-184704.news.uni-berlin.de...
No problem , but it have to be Antiriot 21/2 WEEKS OLD ,bleu ( less
then
rear , 40sec each side) at leas 20 owns, 2 inch cut , and I want to
meet
the cow before:-)
Don't put a souse on that ,don't ruin the stake !!!
Another like that for desert
TAQILA

--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
"Eric Toline" <Audioetc@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:22797-4079ADCC-86@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net...

Re: Thought you'd seen it all?

Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Sun, Apr 11, 2004, 9:32pm
(EDT+6) From: kaizero removeit@netvision.net.il (Oleg Kaizerman)

whats new? I once paid 35$ for the worst steak in my life in fiord
land

You want great steak? You come here. You'll have steak so good your
tongue will throw a party for your mouth.

Eric

Ramps @ NAB: Tuesday April 20 6pm. "Firefly on Paradise" 3900 Paradise
Rd. Las Vegas.



Rob€rto
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:19 pm
Guest
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 20:05:18 +0200, "Hans W."
<oylxmblbobqu@spammotel.com> wrote:

Quote:
Here in Norway we pay NOK 899 for a pair of Levis... That is USD 130.....

Ever tried to order by internet/mail ?


R ( customs, what customs )







--
Http://www.xs4all.nl/~tuig/index.html
Oleg Kaizerman
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:32 pm
Guest
whets new ,I ones paid 35$ for the worst stake in my life in fiord land ,
the London looks 3rd world price land near you :-)


--
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland


"Hans W." <oylxmblbobqu@spammotel.com> wrote in message
news:xNfec.5948$px6.83785@news2.e.nsc.no...
Quote:

"Eric Toline" <Audioetc@webtv.net> wrote
news:5488-40719543-333@storefull-3255.bay.webtv.net...

Re: >snip

Sorry to tell you but there is no such thing as $100 jeans. A pair of
$20 Wranglers or Levis will do the same job just fine.

Eric

Here in Norway we pay NOK 899 for a pair of Levis... That is USD 130.....

Hans W.

 
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