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| Mike |
 Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:41 am |
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G, PG clean up at the box office
The audience has spoken: An annual study of the moral content in
Hollywood movies has found that films flaunting sex, nudity, violence,
foul language and criminal behavior do not resonate in America. They
simply don't sell.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040325-123745-6688r.htm |
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| Non |
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:42 pm |
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On 25 Mar 2004 08:41:49 -0800, yared22311@yahoo.com (Mike) wrote:
Quote: G, PG clean up at the box office
The audience has spoken: An annual study of the moral content in
Hollywood movies has found that films flaunting sex, nudity, violence,
foul language and criminal behavior do not resonate in America. They
simply don't sell.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040325-123745-6688r.htm
Nowhere in that article does it mention that the fact that R rated
movies EXCLUDE the majority of the movie-going audience from buying a
ticket has anything to do with their reduced box-office take, Most
of the box-office take these days is spent by teenagers and kids so of
course less money is going to be made by RESTRICTED rated movies. |
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| McQualude |
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:38 pm |
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Non <null@void.com> said:
Quote: Nowhere in that article does it mention that the fact that R rated
movies EXCLUDE the majority of the movie-going audience from buying a
ticket has anything to do with their reduced box-office take, Most
of the box-office take these days is spent by teenagers and kids so of
course less money is going to be made by RESTRICTED rated movies.
That is true. People with families also don't see many R movies, which
leaves young singles, probably the smallest group, as the primary
audience.
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| Michael Johnson |
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:10 pm |
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On 25 Mar 2004 08:41:49 -0800, yared22311@yahoo.com (Mike) wrote:
Quote: G, PG clean up at the box office
The audience has spoken: An annual study of the moral content in
Hollywood movies has found that films flaunting sex, nudity, violence,
foul language and criminal behavior do not resonate in America. They
simply don't sell.
Sorry... apparently you haven't seen the box office take for "The
Passion of the Christ".
Violence is absolutely in.. especially if its the 2-hour torture of a
major religious figure.
-MJ |
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| McQualude |
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:17 pm |
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Michael Johnson <myaddy@san.rr.com> said:
Quote: Sorry... apparently you haven't seen the box office take for "The
Passion of the Christ".
There are individual R movies that are blockbusters, but as a group, G
rated brings in the most money.
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| Jay G |
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:12 pm |
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Mike <yared22311@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: G, PG clean up at the box office
The audience has spoken: An annual study of the moral content in
Hollywood movies has found that films flaunting sex, nudity, violence,
foul language and criminal behavior do not resonate in America. They
simply don't sell.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040325-123745-6688r.htm
The study completely ignores budget. For example, I don't
know which films were labeled "immoral, negative content,"
but they likely included a good number of low budget indies.
A few of those could bring down the average BO take
considerably, but of course those films were never designed
to bring in the big bucks.
-Jay |
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| McQualude |
| Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:45 pm |
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"Jay G" <Jay@tmbg.org> said:
Quote: Mike <yared22311@yahoo.com> wrote:
G, PG clean up at the box office
The study completely ignores budget. For example, I don't
know which films were labeled "immoral, negative content,"
but they likely included a good number of low budget indies.
A few of those could bring down the average BO take
considerably, but of course those films were never designed
to bring in the big bucks.
At least once a year some media source runs a story about how G rated
movies outperform R rated movies. G rated movies have a larger
potential audience, it's something the whole family can do together and
enjoy themselves.
Many R rated movies earn their rating through cheap shots of titties or
violence that don't necessarily advance the story or benefit the movie
in any artistic way. --
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| Jay G |
| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:13 pm |
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"E Brown" <epbrown01@att.net> wrote
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The truth is that G and PG films do better because kids can see
them without any parental involvement. Since I work nights I see lots
of matinees, and during the summer lots of parents use the theaters as
babysitters - drop them off with a wad of cash and let them watch
movies all day. They'll wander around watching every non-R film they
can catch.
Do they buy tickets for each film, or do you have a problem
with theatre hoppers?
-Jay |
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| Jay G |
| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 1:17 pm |
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"Lord Jubjub" <lordjubjub@ev1.net> wrote ...
Quote: "Jay G" <Jay@tmbg.org> wrote:
Mike <yared22311@yahoo.com> wrote:
G, PG clean up at the box office
The audience has spoken: An annual study of the moral content in
Hollywood movies has found that films flaunting sex, nudity, violence,
foul language and criminal behavior do not resonate in America. They
simply don't sell.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040325-123745-6688r.htm
The study completely ignores budget. For example, I don't
know which films were labeled "immoral, negative content,"
but they likely included a good number of low budget indies.
A few of those could bring down the average BO take
considerably, but of course those films were never designed
to bring in the big bucks.
So how do they explain "The Passion of the Christ"?
Well, for one, the study only covered films from last year.
Secondly, the study doesn't separate films into "violent"
and "non-violent," but "moral" and "immoral." Considering
that the study was headed by the Christian Film & Television
Commission (CFTVC), chances are they'd label THE
PASSION as having "strong moral content."
-Jay |
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| Nick Macpherson |
| Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:12 pm |
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Quote: From: "Jay G" Jay@tmbg.org
So how do they explain "The Passion of the Christ"?
Well, for one, the study only covered films from last year.
Secondly, the study doesn't separate films into "violent"
and "non-violent," but "moral" and "immoral." Considering
that the study was headed by the Christian Film & Television
Commission (CFTVC), chances are they'd label THE
PASSION as having "strong moral content."
-Jay
Anyone who looks for "morality" or "immorality" in movies needs to find
something else to focus his attention on. A movie's moral content wouldn't
even be in my top 100 things to look for in a movie. |
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| McQualude |
| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 1:14 am |
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E Brown <epbrown01@att.net> said:
Quote: The truth is that G and PG films do better because kids can see
them without any parental involvement. Since I work nights I see lots
of matinees, and during the summer lots of parents use the theaters as
babysitters - drop them off with a wad of cash and let them watch
movies all day. They'll wander around watching every non-R film they
can catch.
Emanuel
That's sad.
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| Skip Press |
| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 12:53 pm |
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In article <106bgq9616evs69@corp.supernews.com>, Jay G <Jay@tmbg.org>
wrote:
Quote: "Lord Jubjub" <lordjubjub@ev1.net> wrote ...
"Jay G" <Jay@tmbg.org> wrote:
Mike <yared22311@yahoo.com> wrote:
G, PG clean up at the box office
The audience has spoken: An annual study of the moral content in
Hollywood movies has found that films flaunting sex, nudity, violence,
foul language and criminal behavior do not resonate in America. They
simply don't sell.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040325-123745-6688r.htm
The study completely ignores budget. For example, I don't
know which films were labeled "immoral, negative content,"
but they likely included a good number of low budget indies.
A few of those could bring down the average BO take
considerably, but of course those films were never designed
to bring in the big bucks.
So how do they explain "The Passion of the Christ"?
Well, for one, the study only covered films from last year.
Secondly, the study doesn't separate films into "violent"
and "non-violent," but "moral" and "immoral." Considering
that the study was headed by the Christian Film & Television
Commission (CFTVC), chances are they'd label THE
PASSION as having "strong moral content."
-Jay
The study is accurate enough. I published a study of my own in 1999 and
offered it to any reader of my Complete Idiot's Guide to Screenwriting
who wanted it (there wasn't room for it in the book). I found out that
if you had certain qualities that I called "Kids Love It" you'd simply
get so much repeat business from kids (like Mike said above) that you'd
make a killing.
It's been a Hollywood maxim for a long time that it's hard to make over
$200 million with an R-rated film.
The Matrix movies and Passion, which broke that barrier, have a big
similiarity. Neo is very clearly a Christ-like savior (albeit it one
with guns and karate moves). With Passion, in a Western world where
people are still predominantly Christian, a fairly accurate depiction
of the reality of crucifixion and a man who was willing to go through
any fate on behalf of saving his world. No Jesus movie had ever shown
what he really went through so how surprising could it be that people
who grew up Christian wouldn't see it, some of them over and over?
Movie box office is simply a numbers game. If you have content that
speaks to a lot of people, you make a lot of money. With G and PG you
can get a lot more people.
As the populations of Europe and the US get progressively older in the
coming years, though, you'll probably see more R-rated movies making a
lot more money, particularly if those movies have heroic figures that
people can emphatize with in lead roles.
It ain't rocket science.
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Skip Press
http://www.skippress.com
Nonsense draws evil after it.
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| Michael Johnson |
| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 3:14 pm |
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On Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:53:37 -0800, Skip Press
<skippress@earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote: In article <106bgq9616evs69@corp.supernews.com>, Jay G <Jay@tmbg.org
wrote:
"Lord Jubjub" <lordjubjub@ev1.net> wrote ...
"Jay G" <Jay@tmbg.org> wrote:
Mike <yared22311@yahoo.com> wrote:
G, PG clean up at the box office
The audience has spoken: An annual study of the moral content in
Hollywood movies has found that films flaunting sex, nudity, violence,
foul language and criminal behavior do not resonate in America. They
simply don't sell.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040325-123745-6688r.htm
The study completely ignores budget. For example, I don't
know which films were labeled "immoral, negative content,"
but they likely included a good number of low budget indies.
A few of those could bring down the average BO take
considerably, but of course those films were never designed
to bring in the big bucks.
So how do they explain "The Passion of the Christ"?
Well, for one, the study only covered films from last year.
Secondly, the study doesn't separate films into "violent"
and "non-violent," but "moral" and "immoral." Considering
that the study was headed by the Christian Film & Television
Commission (CFTVC), chances are they'd label THE
PASSION as having "strong moral content."
-Jay
The study is accurate enough.
Ya.. but the article stunk. Its initial point was that G/PG films sell
better per this study, but the study didn't evaluate films based on
that criteria. They rated by those based on having a moral message,
and they admitted something like "Passion" would be lumped in on the
"moral" side regardless of the bloody violence and R-rating. Another
movie they pointed out was the blockbuster RotK which was PG-13. But
really, lets face it, you can contort numbers to flog whatever your
position is. Hence, lies, damn lies, and statistics.
-MJ |
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| Nick Macpherson |
| Posted: Sun Mar 28, 2004 4:13 pm |
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Quote: From: Michael Johnson myaddy@san.rr.com
Well, for one, the study only covered films from last year.
Secondly, the study doesn't separate films into "violent"
and "non-violent," but "moral" and "immoral." Considering
that the study was headed by the Christian Film & Television
Commission (CFTVC), chances are they'd label THE
PASSION as having "strong moral content."
-Jay
The study is accurate enough.
Ya.. but the article stunk. Its initial point was that G/PG films sell
better per this study, but the study didn't evaluate films based on
that criteria. They rated by those based on having a moral message,
and they admitted something like "Passion" would be lumped in on the
"moral" side regardless of the bloody violence and R-rating. Another
movie they pointed out was the blockbuster RotK which was PG-13. But
really, lets face it, you can contort numbers to flog whatever your
position is. Hence, lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Studies like this don't account for video and DVD anyway, or real life, for
that matter. Someone with a child who wants to go see the Scooby Doo movie is
going to take him but that same parent might wait for something like Dawn of
the Dead to come out on DVD before seeing it. An adult knows that there's
going to be DVD release a few months down the line but taking children to see
movies they want to see is something parents do, so of course the statistics
are going to be skewed towards G and PG movies. I want to see a study of
over-all film profitability, accounting for theatrical release and everything
that comes after it, in regards to ratings, and see how the numbers come out |
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| Mason Barge |
| Posted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 5:10 pm |
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On Thu, 25 Mar 2004 11:42:21 -0600, Non <null@void.com> wrote:
Quote: On 25 Mar 2004 08:41:49 -0800, yared22311@yahoo.com (Mike) wrote:
G, PG clean up at the box office
The audience has spoken: An annual study of the moral content in
Hollywood movies has found that films flaunting sex, nudity, violence,
foul language and criminal behavior do not resonate in America. They
simply don't sell.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040325-123745-6688r.htm
Nowhere in that article does it mention that the fact that R rated
movies EXCLUDE the majority of the movie-going audience from buying a
ticket has anything to do with their reduced box-office take, Most
of the box-office take these days is spent by teenagers and kids so of
course less money is going to be made by RESTRICTED rated movies.
That's true, but it's also true that a lot of adults won't go see gory
movies, and another overlapping group won't go see sexy movies. On
the other hand, there are people to whom nudity or violence are a
major attraction. Then you have to figure in likelihood to go see
movies at all, which would (as you very accurately point out) be a
major factor in G and PG rated movies' success, but would probably be
a plus factor for heavy sex and violence as well -- I'm just guessing
that people who like those things might go to the movies more often
than average.
Face it, a really decent study of demographics and the relationship of
sex/nudity or violence to box office is beyond the abilities of social
"scientists".
Mason Barge
"If this is coffee, please bring me some tea. If this is tea, please bring me some coffee."
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