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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:48 pm |
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| Harry Chickpea |
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:48 pm |
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kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Quote: jandree <jandree@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi Scott,
Thanks for your help. Looks like this one is for 35mm the image
measures about 2.25 inches across. The paper was only a couple of
inches away from the rear lens to get a shrpe image.. hope I did it
right.
Something's wrong here. If it's a 7 3/4 inch lens, you should be 7 3/4
inches away from the plane in order to focus an object that is at infinity,
or farther away to focus something closer.
If you only have to be a couple inches away.... are you sure you have the
whole lens, or do you just have the front element assembly off of a lens?
--scott
Depends on how far up the barrel the optical center of the lens is. Measuring
from the rear element to the image doesn't give the focal length (but you knew
that). Longer lenses are/were sometimes used when big old auditoriums have
been split down the center into two auditoriums, making for a much smaller
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| Lincoln Spector |
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:07 pm |
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"gbravy" <gbravy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cc3e42e0.0311140546.6e16e3ff@posting.google.com...
Quote: "Paul Linfesty" <plinfesty@bak.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<M0Zsb.159556$ZH4.91698@twister.socal.rr.com>...
"Jim Nason" <jhnason@metrocast.net> wrote in message
news:N6OdnS4Ou_iN9zmiRVn-sA@metrocast.net...
I was glad to see a film at Grauman's Chinese in September. Very
spectacular
screen and sound. I know that Ben-Hur played there in 1959-60. I wish
I
could have seen that!
Actually, BEN-HUR's roadshow engagement in Los Angeles was at the
Egyptian
Theatre.
Was that on the D-150 screen....
The Egyptian didn't get the D-150 screen until 1968--nearly a decade after
Ben-Hur. I believe it had a flat screen then.
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| Lincoln Spector |
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 3:17 pm |
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I've been thinking about the perfect curved screen, in terms of minimizing
distortion with a single projector. If the conclusions I've reached are
wrong, please let me know.
It seems to me that for the best optical situation, the lens should be the
same distance from the sides of the screen as it is from the center. Indeed,
this would cause less distortions than on a large, wide, flat screen.
That distance is fairly easy to figure out. If you extend the curve of the
screen to make a full circle, the projector lens would need to be dead
center. For a deep curve, this isn't very practical. For instance, for a
Cinerama 148-degree curve, the projector would have to be in about the front
row. But for a modest 60-degree curve, the distance from the center of the
screen to the projector would be about the same as the width of the screen.
This sounds doable if there are seats behind and above the projector booth.
And even if this "perfect" design isn't practical, it certainly argues for
shorter throws on curved screens.
Any thoughts?
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| Martin Hart |
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:35 pm |
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In article <n68tb.997$TK6.68096134@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com>,
Notreally@myemailaddress.com says...
Quote: I've been thinking about the perfect curved screen, in terms of minimizing
distortion with a single projector. If the conclusions I've reached are
wrong, please let me know.
It seems to me that for the best optical situation, the lens should be the
same distance from the sides of the screen as it is from the center. Indeed,
this would cause less distortions than on a large, wide, flat screen.
That distance is fairly easy to figure out. If you extend the curve of the
screen to make a full circle, the projector lens would need to be dead
center. For a deep curve, this isn't very practical. For instance, for a
Cinerama 148-degree curve, the projector would have to be in about the front
row. But for a modest 60-degree curve, the distance from the center of the
screen to the projector would be about the same as the width of the screen.
This sounds doable if there are seats behind and above the projector booth.
And even if this "perfect" design isn't practical, it certainly argues for
shorter throws on curved screens.
Any thoughts?
Lincoln
In the real world, longer throws on curved screens are best. The longer
the better. The Todd-AO publicity illustration at
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingto7.htm (halfway
down the page) almost looks like your suggestion for a center located
projector but it's actually illustrating what the camera position would
be. It's a totally dumb illustration but was adapted to many of the early
Todd-AO presentations.
Marty
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| Lincoln Spector |
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:55 pm |
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Thanks for the correction, and those photos of the Rivoli. The Todd-AO
screen within the procemium looks strange to me. I've always assumed that
the big curved screens in older palaces meant sacrificing (or at least
hiding) that part of the architechture.
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| RP Faiola |
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 7:00 pm |
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If you want an idea of perfect-sized curves that are decidedly GOOD for the
eyes, please tune into our Network November 19th for the Victoria's Secret
Fashion Show.
Ray Faiola
CBS
We now return to our regular film geek discussion. |
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| Bob Furmanek |
Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2003 7:18 pm |
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Pete Apruzzese <mothra@godzillafans.com> wrote in message news:<49p9rvsjp0qcc8fa5hcou3sle6924ir036@4ax.com>...
Quote: Yes it does, Bob. The print is in Dolby Stereo (surround). MGM/UA
remixed it from the original stems (and may have goosed up some of the
sounds - I'll have to listen closely in the run-through today) for
this restoration. Eastwood, Wallach and some voice artists (I believe
Simon Prescott did the late Lee Van Cleef's lines) came back to
re-loop restored scenes that had never been in the English-language
prints. I've heard their voices don't match their old ones perfectly
(who would expect them to after 37 years!), very much like Alec
Guiness's and Arthur Kennedy's in the Lawrence of Arabia restoration.
BTW, The Lafayette turns 80 years old in February 2004 - watch for a
month-long series of special events, including some films in the
miracle of Third Dimension!
Pete
Third Dimension? That new miracle process? Tell me, will this be
REAL 3-D (aka Polaroid) or the common, hard-on-the-eyes,
headache-inducing anaglyph (Spy Kids) type of 3-D?
And what films can we look for in this special event?
Bob |
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| Martin Hart |
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:02 am |
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In article <741133f6.0311141811.13695edf@posting.google.com>,
jsittig@pacifictheatres.com says...
Quote: What most forward thinking multiplex operators are installing now
are radius curved screens. We have all 14 screens at ArcLight
Hollywood,
configured this way along with our Sherman Oaks Galleria, Paseo
Pasadena, The Grove at Farmers Market and Culver Stadium 12. The
amount of curve is figured at 1 foot of depth for every 12 feet of
screen width. Therefore a screen 60 feet wide would have a depth of 5
feet, measured from the cord to the center of the screen width.
Cinema Corte Madera screen is 60 feet wide
Chinese is 75 feet wide
Cinerama Dome is 86 feet wide
John Sittig, Pacific Theatres & Cinerama Inc.
I'm surprised to find that the Chinese is 75 feet wide. It looks so much
smaller than the screen at the Dome.
Marty
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| Gary G. Taylor |
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 6:54 am |
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Martin Hart wrote:
Quote: In the real world, longer throws on curved screens are best. The longer
the better. The Todd-AO publicity illustration at
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/wingto7.htm (halfway
down the page) almost looks like your suggestion for a center located
projector but it's actually illustrating what the camera position would
be. It's a totally dumb illustration but was adapted to many of the early
Todd-AO presentations.
Actually, that picture is very close to the actual setup of the Hollywood
Pacific Theater on Hollywood Blvd., including having the projectors on an
elevated platform--although the throw at the Pacific is proportionally a
bit longer than that shown in the picture. I've run that booth and the
projectors appeared to be spot on the centerline of the screen. A pity the
theater is not currently being used for shows but rather (I understand) for
testing digital projection equipment.
I have heard (although I may be wrong) that the ideal curvature of a screen
is that which matches the curvature of the front element of a spherical
projection lens aimed at it--that is, all points on the horizontal
centerline of the screen are the same distance from the corresponding point
on the curve of the projection lens' front element.
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Gary G. Taylor * Rialto, CA
gary at donavan dot org / http:// geetee dot donavan dot org
"The two most abundant things in the universe
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| Martin Hart |
Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:30 pm |
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In article <1Rltb.31548$Vc5.12624@newssvr27.news.prodigy.com>,
knotgary@knotcdfound.org says...
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Quote: I have heard (although I may be wrong) that the ideal curvature of a screen
is that which matches the curvature of the front element of a spherical
projection lens aimed at it--that is, all points on the horizontal
centerline of the screen are the same distance from the corresponding point
on the curve of the projection lens' front element.
There's no credibility to that conjecture at all. If that was the case
then some screens would have to be curved towards the audience. Sounds
like something an old timer would spout out, having lost a goodly
percentage of his gray matter from sniffing film cement.
Marty
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| William Hooper |
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:41 am |
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"2002onlineguy" <2002onlineguyNO@SPAMrogers.com> wrote in message news:<n3ckb.386806$Lnr1.74924@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
Quote: I read a complaint a year or more ago about misplaced audio cues in the DVD
SE/CE of Lawrence of Arabia. I noticed the SuperBit version is out. Did the
SuperBit version get it right?
In the list of DVD's you'll be buying again when "fixed" versions
arrive, include the Looney Tunes set that just came out. It's another
example of extensive revision of the image to conform to an
expectation of home video buyers' demands - sharpness, saturation &
contrast cranked far past that of the originals'. The result here is
that it's sharpened & brought WAY out dust on the animation cels that
was not distracting before & was usually invisible.
In a genre where direction was precise control of if there would be
movement & where there would be movement, many of the shorts are now
against backgrounds that are covered with something that looks like
armies of snails, moths, or weird outerspace aliens crawling up the
walls. Gags & situations do nothing, since all the attention is
elsewhere. Very literally, all the actors are being upstaged. Put
the laserdiscs & VHS tapes back in, or see them on film if possible, &
try to forget the pictures you've seen on the hamfistedly altered
DVD's. |
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| Peter H. |
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:58 am |
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Quote:
Christie has been formerly known as Christie, Inc. and Christie Electric when
they were into 35mm movie theater (motion picture film) equipment.
Also Christie Electric when they made man-hole covers and sub-terranian
electrical equipment vaults.
Projection equipment is a relatively new business for this rather old company. |
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| Michel Hafner |
Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 7:29 am |
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William Hooper wrote:
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"2002onlineguy" <2002onlineguyNO@SPAMrogers.com> wrote in message news:<n3ckb.386806$Lnr1.74924@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>...
I read a complaint a year or more ago about misplaced audio cues in the DVD
SE/CE of Lawrence of Arabia. I noticed the SuperBit version is out. Did the
SuperBit version get it right?
In the list of DVD's you'll be buying again when "fixed" versions
arrive, include the Looney Tunes set that just came out. It's another
example of extensive revision of the image to conform to an
expectation of home video buyers' demands - sharpness, saturation &
contrast cranked far past that of the originals'. The result here is
that it's sharpened & brought WAY out dust on the animation cels that
was not distracting before & was usually invisible.
In a genre where direction was precise control of if there would be
movement & where there would be movement, many of the shorts are now
against backgrounds that are covered with something that looks like
armies of snails, moths, or weird outerspace aliens crawling up the
walls. Gags & situations do nothing, since all the attention is
elsewhere. Very literally, all the actors are being upstaged. Put
the laserdiscs & VHS tapes back in, or see them on film if possible, &
try to forget the pictures you've seen on the hamfistedly altered
DVD's.
Hm, the next step would be removing all these 'aliens' with DNR... |
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| Bruce Reilly (a.k.a Bruha |
Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 8:43 pm |
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P.O.Box 8274
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Below are the scripts mentioned in the previous section. I make no
assurances as to how well they work; I use one of the 'super' uudecodes
instead. Note that the SED script will not work unless people follow this
recent trend of putting 'BEGIN' and 'END' in the 'cut here' lines. The
AWK and PERL scripts will work on most files, but some uuencodes put out
non-standard data, in which case these scripts will bomb and you'll have
to do the work by hand.
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AWK script:
#!/bin/sh
if [ X$1 != X ] ; then cat $* ; else cat <& 0 ; fi | \
awk '/begin [0-9]/ {ok = 1}
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/[cC]ut [hH]ere/ {ok = 0;next}
/^END-----/ {ok = 0;next}
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