So, Super Panavision 70 is roughly
similar to Todd-AO, not the other way
around.

Thst's whst I meant. but the "diluted"
Todd-AO sans 30fps and the curved
screen is vurtually SP70--which was
"Hazes's" point.

IIRC, Technicolor processed the 65mm negative, and printed the 70mm
prints, but DeLuxe printed the domestic 35mm prints.

I'd bet Technicolor printed the overseas 35mm prints, probably in London.



Good point. Yes it was Technicolor that made the 70mm prints, and I
believe the first tier 35mm four track mag prints. DeLuxe took over for
the subsequent reissues. Hard to keep up with this stuff.

On 2007-12-08 23:19:16 -0800, G-HELPS@webtv.net (George Shelps) said:

And let us not forget that our old friend
Herr Doktor Haze told us that the film
wasn't shot in Todd-AO, it was Super
Panavision. Nothing like reviving that old
chestnut.

But wasn't flat-projected 24fps Todd-AO roughly the same as Super
Panavision?

So far, there hasn't been a single presentation format that Panavision
can call its own.

All have been adaptations and incremental improvements of the ideations
and implementations of others, and mainly on the production side, too.

So, Super Panavision 70 is roughly similar to Todd-AO, not the other
way around.

Peter wrote:

So, Super Panavision 70 is roughly
similar to Todd-AO, not the other way
around.

Thst's whst I meant. but the "diluted"
Todd-AO sans 30fps and the curved
screen is vurtually SP70--which was
"Hazes's" point.

"Haze's" point was that he assumed that Panavision lenses were used
on Todd-AO cameras. Haze, or Hays to the uninitiated, read a title card
in a 35mm reduction print of "South Pacific" that said, "Process Lenses
by Panavision". As usual his scoop was totally bullshit.

What it amounted to was the fact that 35mm prints should have the Todd-
AO credit removed because they didn't get a piece of the ticket sales
for anything other than the roadshow runs. To get the title running time
right, Panavision got a screen credit for their MicroPanatar printer
lens that handled the conversion of 65mm to 35mm anamorphic.

Your bitterness towards Panavision is showning again.

On 2007-12-10 15:54:05 -0800, Martin Hart <nospamforme@whitehouse.gov> said:

Two title cards had to be completely changed (or deleted altogether)
and one title card had to be altered between the 70mm roadshow version
and the later 35mm non-roadshow version:

1) Presented in Todd-AO credit, was replaced by Distributed by
Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation credit, not because of ticket
sales, but for reason of "dilution" of the Todd-AO trademark as by time
Fox owned Todd-AO and it didn't want its newly acquired trademark [ * ]
"diluted", and

2) Released by Magna Theater Corporation credit, this one for reason
of ticket sales, was replaced by Process Lenses by Panavision credit,
and

3) Technicolor credit, changed to De Luxe credit, with the entire
remainder of that title card staying the same.

Whether it was a condition of rental of the Micro Panatar use, or not,
the Panavision credit was a place-holder, for otherwise there would be
an empty title card.

(I can think of only two features where Panavision was credited for
the Micro Panatar lens, although there may have been others, while the
Micro Panatar must have been used on hundreds of other features, all
except two without credit. It was an optical printer lens, for Christ's
sake, not a principal photography lens, and as such it operated mainly
at a reproduction ratio of close to 1:1).

In a sense, the Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation credit was a
place-holder, too, although Fox did make the film for South Pacific
Enterprises Inc (a corporate stile of R&H), and it did have the
domestic 35mm distribution rights.

Any lab could rent the Micro Panatar, and there was, essentially, no
difference in reductions, or in blow-ups made by Lab X as by Lab Y, if
the Micro Panatar was employed by both. There was apparently only one
Micro Panatar, and it was shuttled from lab to lab.

1) Presented in Todd-AO credit, was replaced by Distributed by
Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corporation credit, not because of ticket
sales, but for reason of "dilution" of the Todd-AO trademark as by time
Fox owned Todd-AO and it didn't want its newly acquired trademark [ * ]
"diluted", and

2) Released by Magna Theater Corporation credit, this one for reason
of ticket sales, was replaced by Process Lenses by Panavision credit,
and

3) Technicolor credit, changed to De Luxe credit, with the entire
remainder of that title card staying the same.

Let's test your memory, and or resources. There's one more title card
that had to be altered between the Todd-AO/Technicolor titles and the
Process Lenses by Panavision/Color by DeLuxe versions. Can you name it?

Any lab could rent the Micro Panatar, and there was, essentially, no
difference in reductions, or in blow-ups made by Lab X as by Lab Y, if
the Micro Panatar was employed by both. There was apparently only one
Micro Panatar, and it was shuttled from lab to lab.

There were numerous Micro Panatar lenses of various focal lengths and
with or without various anamorphic elements ...

Let's test your memory, and or resources. There's one more title card
that had to be altered between the Todd-AO/Technicolor titles and the
Process Lenses by Panavision/Color by DeLuxe versions. Can you name it?

Sure.

The deletion of Stanford Schuyler as the Todd-AO technical consultant.

Sure.

The deletion of Stanford Schuyler as the Todd-AO technical consultant.

GIVE THE MAN A CIGAR! You got it right.

3) Technicolor credit, changed to De Luxe credit, with the entire
remainder of that title card staying the same.

Let's test your memory, and or resources ...

On 2007-12-12 14:07:01 -0800, Martin Hart <nospamforme@whitehouse.gov> said:


3) Technicolor credit, changed to De Luxe credit, with the entire
remainder of that title card staying the same.

Let's test your memory, and or resources ...

Which screen credit was deleted and which appeared twice as a
place-holder on Todd-AO production #2?

In "Around the World in 80 Days", the Todd-AO title card was removed and
replaced with a second Technicolor credit. Not exactly an elegant method
of altering the credits.

On 2007-12-16 21:46:22 -0800, Martin Hart <thanksforthe@spam.org> said:

In "Around the World in 80 Days", the Todd-AO title card was removed and
replaced with a second Technicolor credit. Not exactly an elegant method
of altering the credits.

Right, but wasn't Schuyler A. Sanford's credit also deleted?

Killfile him. Killfile him by putting "MI-5" in the subject filter.