‘Nosferatu’ (1922)
Directed by F.W. Murnau
Murnau's “Nosferatu” broke from the traditional view of the seductive vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision

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‘Nosferatu’ (1922)
Directed by F.W. Murnau
Murnau's “Nosferatu” broke from the traditional view of the seductive vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision

What "seductive vampire" existed in films or literature in 1922.

My hunch is Craven isn't too bright.

On Oct 31, 5:06 pm, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:

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‘Nosferatu’ (1922)
Directed by F.W. Murnau
Murnau's “Nosferatu” broke from the traditional view of the seductive vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision

What "seductive vampire" existed in films or literature in 1922.

My hunch is Craven isn't too bright.

Maybe.  But, ironically, you picked the only one of his descriptions
that, imo, has a literate and evocative ring:

  "Murnau's NOSFERATU broke from the traditional view of the seductive
vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision of monstrosity so
human it is appalled by itself, hypnotically beautiful in its very
ugliness. Thin, malformed, huge-eyed; it is like some grotesquely
elongated and aged fetus from the womb of Hell, helpless in its need
to devour."

If only Craven's scripts stayed at that level...

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‘Nosferatu’ (1922)
Directed by F.W. Murnau
Murnau's “Nosferatu” broke from the traditional view of the seductive vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision

What "seductive vampire" existed in films or literature in 1922.

My hunch is Craven isn't too bright.

On Oct 31, 3:06 pm, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:

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‘Nosferatu’ (1922)
Directed by F.W. Murnau
Murnau's “Nosferatu” broke from the traditional view of the seductive vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision

What "seductive vampire" existed in films or literature in 1922.

My hunch is Craven isn't too bright.

Well, the origins of the vampire are one of a seductre, a seducer.
This, in some way, implies a certain hypnotic beauty, doesn't it?

Nosferatu was more Monster than Lover, and despite his hypnotic (like
a Train Wreck!) qualities it was the retooling as portrayed by Lugosi
that brought the sexy back.

berk
Craven might yet be an idiot...

On Oct 31, 11:23 pm, moviePig <pwall... at (no spam) moviepig.com> wrote:



On Oct 31, 5:06 pm, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:

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‘Nosferatu’ (1922)
Directed by F.W. Murnau
Murnau's “Nosferatu” broke from the traditional view of the seductive vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision

What "seductive vampire" existed in films or literature in 1922.

My hunch is Craven isn't too bright.

Maybe.  But, ironically, you picked the only one of his descriptions
that, imo, has a literate and evocative ring:

  "Murnau's NOSFERATU broke from the traditional view of the seductive
vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision of monstrosity so
human it is appalled by itself, hypnotically beautiful in its very
ugliness. Thin, malformed, huge-eyed; it is like some grotesquely
elongated and aged fetus from the womb of Hell, helpless in its need
to devour."

If only Craven's scripts stayed at that level...

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I'd just like to say that I hated, hated, HATED the Gary Oldman
Dracula movie.  Lugosi was better, Lee was better, Langella was better
and they all were in better movies.
I don't know if Craven is an idiot, but of all the horror movie-makers
prominent in the 1980's, I like him the least and his pizza-faced
creation in "Nightmare on Elm Street."

TBerk wrote:
On Nov 1, 6:25 am, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
TBerk wrote:
On Oct 31, 3:06 pm, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33495687/ns/entertainment/page/2/
‘Nosferatu’ (1922)
Directed by F.W. Murnau
Murnau's “Nosferatu” broke from the traditional view of the seductive vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision
What "seductive vampire" existed in films or literature in 1922.
My hunch is Craven isn't too bright.
Well, the origins of the vampire are one of a seductre, a seducer.
This, in some way, implies a certain hypnotic beauty, doesn't it?
Cite?  Certainly referring back to Bram Stoker
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula) and Vlad the Impaler
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_the_Impaler) doesn't show that.

Nosferatu was more Monster than Lover, and despite his hypnotic (like
a Train Wreck!) qualities it was the retooling as portrayed by Lugosi
that brought the sexy back.
I think you're going to have to show your work--what you have here are
just vagaries.

Linkies abound:

http://www.eng.umu.se/monster/inger/doc/linguistics.htm
Yugoslavia:

 The Vukodlak (wolf’s hair) was originally a werewolf but the term has
over time come to include what was formally known as a Vampir. It is
more common that reports of a Vukodlak involve a vampire instead of a
werewolf. The Yugoslavian vampire either drinks the blood of his
victims or has amorous relations with a former wife, girlfriend or
young widows.

Serbia:

The Serbian vampire legends are quite different from the rest of the
Slavic folklore concerning the ways of becoming a vampire. The
difference is that when a person has died his corpse can be reanimated
by a devilish spirit and turned into a blood sucking fiend, a
Vukodlak.  A good thing can also come out of a vampire’s relationship
with a human woman. The child is born with special gifts and becomes a
vampirdžije; a vampire-finder.

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Of course I snipped the portion that help my case, yet I also agree
that things 'heated up' with Bram Stoker, in terms of Dracula as a
seducer.

This is one of those 'but it's so Obvious!' type things that I hadn't
any lit-refs to back it up with off the top of my head.

Obvious to whom?  Serbs?  Yugoslavians?  I think it is safe to say that
according to what was known about vampires in Western culture in 1922
there was no traditional view.

Now, it could be argued that since "Nosferatu" is in fact a German
production, and isn't all that far from Yugoslavia or Serbia that that
"traditional view" might've existed in Germany at the time, but (a)
you'd have to do something to establish that as being credible, and (b)
you'd have to do something to establish if and why Craven was speaking
from the German and not the Western (read: American) or global filmgoers
perspective.

In conclusion, I would suggest you take your 'but it's so Obvious!' and
rethink it slightly.  And lose the random capitalization while you're at
it.

lugnut wrote:
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:43:31 GMT, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:

BTW, did Stephen King think that spelling it with an "S" instead of "C"
added to the abject horror of the story?  He sucks ass.

I think the logic there was that the misspelled sign had been made by
the local kids who "created" the cemetary.

Thanks, I either didn't know or had forgotten that.

nick wrote:
On Nov 1, 9:20 am, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Oct 31, 11:23 pm, moviePig <pwall... at (no spam) moviepig.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 5:06 pm, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
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‘Nosferatu’ (1922)
Directed by F.W. Murnau
Murnau's “Nosferatu” broke from the traditional view of the seductive vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision
What "seductive vampire" existed in films or literature in 1922.
My hunch is Craven isn't too bright.
Maybe.  But, ironically, you picked the only one of his descriptions
that, imo, has a literate and evocative ring:
  "Murnau's NOSFERATU broke from the traditional view of the seductive
vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision of monstrosity so
human it is appalled by itself, hypnotically beautiful in its very
ugliness. Thin, malformed, huge-eyed; it is like some grotesquely
elongated and aged fetus from the womb of Hell, helpless in its need
to devour."
If only Craven's scripts stayed at that level...
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I'd just like to say that I hated, hated, HATED the Gary Oldman
Dracula movie.  Lugosi was better, Lee was better, Langella was better
and they all were in better movies.
As much as I hate to admit it, I agree 100%.

I don't know if Craven is an idiot, but of all the horror movie-makers
prominent in the 1980's, I like him the least and his pizza-faced
creation in "Nightmare on Elm Street."
Freddy was stuck somewhere in no man's land between comic figure and
horror movie monster.  If the movies had more of a horror-comedy tone
like "Shaun of the Dead" or "Blade II" they would've been far better.- Hide quoted text -

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It's still one of the great horror movie premises, whether it's based
on a true story or night--the idea of teenagers not being allowed to
sleep becauase if they do there's someone in their dreams waiting to
kill them.

I can't tell if you're being serious or not.  I think it's fair to say
any premise based on teenagers in peril is pretty much horseshit.  It's
right up there with torture porn.  My feeling is guys like Craven have
really gone along way to set the bar lower and lower in "horror" to the
point where it's not the least bit scary.  You've got a dozen or so
Jason Voorhees movies, six or seven movies with Freddy Krueger, six
bloody Saw movies--does anybody feel these are a testament to anything
other than the greed and avarice that is Hollywood?  Anybody?

On Nov 1, 9:20 am, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
RichA wrote:
On Oct 31, 11:23 pm, moviePig <pwall... at (no spam) moviepig.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 5:06 pm, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33495687/ns/entertainment/page/2/
‘Nosferatu’ (1922)
Directed by F.W. Murnau
Murnau's “Nosferatu” broke from the traditional view of the seductive vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision
What "seductive vampire" existed in films or literature in 1922.
My hunch is Craven isn't too bright.
Maybe. But, ironically, you picked the only one of his descriptions
that, imo, has a literate and evocative ring:
"Murnau's NOSFERATU broke from the traditional view of the seductive
vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision of monstrosity so
human it is appalled by itself, hypnotically beautiful in its very
ugliness. Thin, malformed, huge-eyed; it is like some grotesquely
elongated and aged fetus from the womb of Hell, helpless in its need
to devour."
If only Craven's scripts stayed at that level...
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YOUR taste at work...
http://www.moviepig.com
I'd just like to say that I hated, hated, HATED the Gary Oldman
Dracula movie. Lugosi was better, Lee was better, Langella was better
and they all were in better movies.
As much as I hate to admit it, I agree 100%.

I don't know if Craven is an idiot, but of all the horror movie-makers
prominent in the 1980's, I like him the least and his pizza-faced
creation in "Nightmare on Elm Street."
Freddy was stuck somewhere in no man's land between comic figure and
horror movie monster. If the movies had more of a horror-comedy tone
like "Shaun of the Dead" or "Blade II" they would've been far better.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It's still one of the great horror movie premises, whether it's based
on a true story or night--the idea of teenagers not being allowed to
sleep becauase if they do there's someone in their dreams waiting to
kill them.

On Nov 1, 9:16 am, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
moviePig wrote:
On Oct 31, 5:06 pm, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33495687/ns/entertainment/page/2/
‘Nosferatu’ (1922)
Directed by F.W. Murnau
Murnau's “Nosferatu” broke from the traditional view of the seductive vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision
What "seductive vampire" existed in films or literature in 1922.
My hunch is Craven isn't too bright.
Maybe. But, ironically, you picked the only one of his descriptions
that, imo, has a literate and evocative ring:
"Murnau's NOSFERATU broke from the traditional view of the seductive
vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision of monstrosity so
human it is appalled by itself, hypnotically beautiful in its very
ugliness. Thin, malformed, huge-eyed; it is like some grotesquely
elongated and aged fetus from the womb of Hell, helpless in its need
to devour."
If only Craven's scripts stayed at that level...
I concur. If his movies were more over the top, instead of vaguely
trying to be hip and aimed at Gen X, he'd be more fun to follow.

Well, you made me read it again ...and appreciate it more. Over the
course of those two sentences, watch the imagery add layers,
descending to a final gut- and spine-wrenching blasphemy. It's like
Lovecraft doing film criticism. I wonder if Craven loses sleep over
the movies he *should* have made...

On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:43:31 GMT, trotsky <gmsingh at (no spam) email.com> wrote:


BTW, did Stephen King think that spelling it with an "S" instead of "C"
added to the abject horror of the story? He sucks ass.

I think the logic there was that the misspelled sign had been made by
the local kids who "created" the cemetary.

On Nov 1, 6:25 am, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
TBerk wrote:
On Oct 31, 3:06 pm, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33495687/ns/entertainment/page/2/
‘Nosferatu’ (1922)
Directed by F.W. Murnau
Murnau's “Nosferatu” broke from the traditional view of the seductive vampire and gave us instead a terrifying vision
What "seductive vampire" existed in films or literature in 1922.
My hunch is Craven isn't too bright.
Well, the origins of the vampire are one of a seductre, a seducer.
This, in some way, implies a certain hypnotic beauty, doesn't it?
Cite? Certainly referring back to Bram Stoker
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dracula) and Vlad the Impaler
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_III_the_Impaler) doesn't show that.

Nosferatu was more Monster than Lover, and despite his hypnotic (like
a Train Wreck!) qualities it was the retooling as portrayed by Lugosi
that brought the sexy back.
I think you're going to have to show your work--what you have here are
just vagaries.

Linkies abound:

http://www.eng.umu.se/monster/inger/doc/linguistics.htm
Yugoslavia:

The Vukodlak (wolf’s hair) was originally a werewolf but the term has
over time come to include what was formally known as a Vampir. It is
more common that reports of a Vukodlak involve a vampire instead of a
werewolf. The Yugoslavian vampire either drinks the blood of his
victims or has amorous relations with a former wife, girlfriend or
young widows.

Serbia:

The Serbian vampire legends are quite different from the rest of the
Slavic folklore concerning the ways of becoming a vampire. The
difference is that when a person has died his corpse can be reanimated
by a devilish spirit and turned into a blood sucking fiend, a
Vukodlak. A good thing can also come out of a vampire’s relationship
with a human woman. The child is born with special gifts and becomes a
vampirdžije; a vampire-finder.

=========================

Of course I snipped the portion that help my case, yet I also agree
that things 'heated up' with Bram Stoker, in terms of Dracula as a
seducer.

This is one of those 'but it's so Obvious!' type things that I hadn't
any lit-refs to back it up with off the top of my head.

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On Nov 1, 11:21 pm, moviePig <pwall... at (no spam) moviepig.com> wrote:

On Nov 1, 8:41 pm, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:

lugnut wrote:
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:43:31 GMT, trotsky <gmsi... at (no spam) email.com> wrote:

BTW, did Stephen King think that spelling it with an "S" instead of "C"
added to the abject horror of the story?  He sucks ass.

I think the logic there was that the misspelled sign had been made by
the local kids who "created" the cemetary.

Thanks, I either didn't know or had forgotten that.

And, fwiw, King is (imo) quite a good writer, just not such a good
story creator... which explains why his two scariest books, 'Salem's
Lot' and 'Pet Sematary', feature stories "borrowed" from Bram Stoker
and W.W. Jacobs.  (Hell, his directorial effort might not have been so
bad if he'd used someone else's material...)

I don;t know why but I can't wait to read his new one, Under the Dome,
the one he posted 60 early draft pages of online because he didn't
want people thinking he'd stolen the plot from The Simpsons movie.

I'll be getting it first chance.  I don't know why either.

(I'm also getting a short-story collection that includes a 'Varney the
Vampire'... which turns my fetish into scholarly enterprise...)

A short story collection with Varney the Vampire? That sucker's about

Except there is a whole independent and direct to video market to be
considered.  We're kind of Pavlovian in that we seem more apt to discuss
theatrical releases as if this some arbiter of quality, when in fact it
could be argued the other way around: they're in theaters just to make
money.  Call me a jerk, but to date I refuse to go see a Rob Zombie
movie.  And when Wes Craven's "triumphant return to horror" inevitably
occurs I'll probably miss that.