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| Kimba W Lion... |
 Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:54 am |
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http://www.tcm.com/movienews/index/?cid=253835
"On September 23rd, NCM Fathom, Warner Home Video and Turner Classic Movies
(TCM) will give theatergoers the opportunity to experience The Wizard of Oz
for the first time in high definition on the big screen."
I guess the original film no longer counts as a high definition presentation.
Which raises the question, how did the video version get to be more "high
definition" than the film?
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| J. Theakston... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 6:14 pm |
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On Sep 19, 6:54 am, Kimba W Lion
<norepliesbyem... at (no spam) norepliesbyemail.com> wrote:
Quote: http://www.tcm.com/movienews/index/?cid=253835
"On September 23rd, NCM Fathom, Warner Home Video and Turner Classic Movies
(TCM) will give theatergoers the opportunity to experience The Wizard of Oz
for the first time in high definition on the big screen."
I guess the original film no longer counts as a high definition presentation.
Which raises the question, how did the video version get to be more "high
definition" than the film?
The sad thing is that this is one of those Fathom events and not even
real 2k projection. Most theaters will be running it on their HD-
based ad projectors.
Yesh.
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| in TechnicolorŪ... |
| Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:04 pm |
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"J. Theakston" <tomservorobot at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c7594660-f8b1-4d41-928a-f078d336c276 at (no spam) g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 19, 6:54 am, Kimba W Lion
<norepliesbyem... at (no spam) norepliesbyemail.com> wrote:
Quote: http://www.tcm.com/movienews/index/?cid=253835
"On September 23rd, NCM Fathom, Warner Home Video and Turner Classic
Movies
(TCM) will give theatergoers the opportunity to experience The Wizard of
Oz
for the first time in high definition on the big screen."
I guess the original film no longer counts as a high definition
presentation.
Which raises the question, how did the video version get to be more "high
definition" than the film?
The sad thing is that this is one of those Fathom events and not even
real 2k projection. Most theaters will be running it on their HD-
based ad projectors.
Yesh.
J. Theakston
Yes, Warner giveth and Fathom taketh away.
My 1 Fathom event was so bad in image quality that I will not attend again
until there is a major equipment upgrade.
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| Matt Lutthans... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:16 pm |
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I'll preface this by saying that I do not know what sort of projector
was used for the presentation I attended at the Regal Bella Bottega in
Redmond, WA, but I have seen 4k projection before, and although I have
not been especially impressed by 4k, it was miles ahead of what I saw
tonight, which was abysmal: dim (correction: really, really dim),
lacking details, whacked-out contrast, with everything appearing to
have a fine mesh over the screen. In short: very sub-par. The image
was 1.37-ish (not 16x9 as some had feared), and I calculated (using
the tiles in the drop ceiling as a reference) an actual image size of
roughly 17x23', which, all else being equal, should be fairly
impressive.
My beef is this: Had this been properly presented (a strong qualifier
these days) on film -- even if it was just reissued old IB tech prints
in good shape -- the image quality would have been way, way better in
virtually every way, except, of course, there would have been some
dust/scratches on the film. After tonight, hundreds of thousands (I'm
guessing) of people will be talking with their friends tomorrow and
saying things like, "Yeah, I saw WIZARD OF OZ in the theatre in Hi-
Def, and it looked GREAT," when in reality, it probably looked
somewhere in the range of "adequate" to "cruddy" -- but hey, it's hi-
def!
Just to make sure my eyes were not playing games with my brain, I left
auditorium 1 where WIZ was playing, went to #8 and watched parts of
JENNIFER'S BODY on film, and it looked much, much better than WIZ did
(especially in the brightness, color gradations, and contrast
departments), then popped over to #6 and watched part of "9" - similar
deal, but less pronounced, especially in terms of detail -- then into
#4 which was also playing WIZ and where WIZ looked just as cruddy as
it did in #1.
I'm not judging presentations that others may have seen, but having
seen WIZ many times on film and seeing it tonight, I can say that
tonight's was BY FAR the worst presentation I have seen, but it was
sure hyped by TCM and it sure filled the theatres. (I've even seen it
in 16mm on college campuses where it looked better, and I'm not
kidding.)
I was especially impressed by the salesmanship of Robert Osborne when
he announced that tonight we would be seeing the film looking "just
like it did in 1939." After I mopped up, I pondered how:
1. I was really enjoying the bare cement floors in the front part of
the theatre. That's old movie-palace flair!
2. The theatre didn't even have the capacity to properly mask off the
screen, never mind there were no curtains.
3. The mindless rock riff that repeated for 30 minutes before the show
was a nice, 1939-ish touch.
4. The movie itself really looked like garbage. I really doubt that
there was a single theatre in the country that had a picture that
lousy in 1939.
I attended a program at the Samuel Goldwyn Theatre ("The Academy") a
couple of weeks ago, and was taken by how the host for the evening
spoke of how the current state of digital cinema amounts to "the
industry" pushing something on the public that is merely "adequate,"
when at so many other times in cinema's history the push was for
something BETTER. That really rang true with me tonight.
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| J. Theakston... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 7:21 pm |
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On Sep 23, 10:16 pm, Matt Lutthans <mlutth... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Quote: I'll preface this by saying that I do not know what sort of projector
was used for the presentation I attended at the Regal Bella Bottega in
Redmond, WA, but I have seen 4k projection before, and although I have
not been especially impressed by 4k
That being said, I've SEEN what WB's new master of OZ looks like in 4k
on one of Sony's projectors. In my opinion, if everything looked as
good, I'd have no qualms about presenting the 4k over WB's IB 35mm for
rent.
J. Theakston |
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| J. Theakston... |
| Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:07 pm |
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On Sep 23, 11:56 pm, Patty Winter <pat... at (no spam) wintertime.com> wrote:
Quote: Okay, thanks for the clarification. I'm confused about the equipment,
though. Are theaters really allowed to participate in Fathom events
with that level of equipment? Fathom doesn't require them to have
higher-grade digital projectors?
It's the other way around. Fathom EXPECTS them to run it on that kind
of equipment.
Venues that actually care about what they're doing will upconvert the
signal for their 2k projectors...
....actually, strike that. Anyone who actually cares wouldn't be
connected with this nonsense.
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| Patty Winter... |
| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:35 am |
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In article <3887e9bc-30c5-408a-9cd1-4dca618c8292 at (no spam) p10g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
J. Theakston <tomservorobot at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Sep 23, 10:16 pm, Matt Lutthans <mlutth... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
I'll preface this by saying that I do not know what sort of projector
was used for the presentation I attended at the Regal Bella Bottega in
Redmond, WA, but I have seen 4k projection before, and although I have
not been especially impressed by 4k
That being said, I've SEEN what WB's new master of OZ looks like in 4k
on one of Sony's projectors. In my opinion, if everything looked as
good, I'd have no qualms about presenting the 4k over WB's IB 35mm for
rent.
So....this screening did NOT use the spiffy new digital master??
Patty |
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| Scott Dorsey... |
| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:57 am |
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Patty Winter <patty1 at (no spam) wintertime.com> wrote:
Quote: In article <3887e9bc-30c5-408a-9cd1-4dca618c8292 at (no spam) p10g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
J. Theakston <tomservorobot at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 23, 10:16 pm, Matt Lutthans <mlutth... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
I'll preface this by saying that I do not know what sort of projector
was used for the presentation I attended at the Regal Bella Bottega in
Redmond, WA, but I have seen 4k projection before, and although I have
not been especially impressed by 4k
That being said, I've SEEN what WB's new master of OZ looks like in 4k
on one of Sony's projectors. In my opinion, if everything looked as
good, I'd have no qualms about presenting the 4k over WB's IB 35mm for
rent.
So....this screening did NOT use the spiffy new digital master??
This screening was consumer HD. That was the whole point of it.
And yeah... good 16mm beats consumer HD hands down. What did you expect?
--scott
Admittedly, I have seen some pretty bad 16mm over the years that did not...
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| Patty Winter... |
| Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:13 am |
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In article <240003b2-2d9f-43bf-9e11-ff46747254a9 at (no spam) o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
J. Theakston <tomservorobot at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Sep 23, 11:56 pm, Patty Winter <pat... at (no spam) wintertime.com> wrote:
Are theaters really allowed to participate in Fathom events
with that level of equipment? Fathom doesn't require them to have
higher-grade digital projectors?
It's the other way around. Fathom EXPECTS them to run it on that kind
of equipment.
Ewwww.....
Quote: Venues that actually care about what they're doing will upconvert the
signal for their 2k projectors...
...actually, strike that. Anyone who actually cares wouldn't be
connected with this nonsense.
:-)
Patty |
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