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| Martin Hart... |
 Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:59 am |
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After bombing out at Chace, Robert Weisgerber took the reel to Audio
Mechanics and now reports to have a CD of the resulting duplication on
its way to me.
Now the digital copy goes back to Chace for a bit of bogus stereo effect
to be added. We'll see how that turns out. I'm not a huge fan of fake
stereo but I've heard some that is absolutely convincing. Check out
Disney's "Bambi" for an example of excellent reprocessing a mono track
for fake stereo effect. I thought is was the real thing until checking
with Theo Gluck.
We now have good transcriptions of reels 1 & 3 of tape making up the
complete recording sessions for CINERAMA HOLIDAY. I wish we knew where
the second of the three reels is. It went off to an eBay buyer and I
haven't any idea of how to find out who it is. Any ideas? If that guy's
reel looked as hopeless as mine he might have pitched it or destroyed it
trying to run it on a tape deck.
The tapes include Morton Gould's directions to the orchestra which will
make for interesting listening. I have some similar recordings from
"This Is Cinerama" and it's a lot of fun, that is where the tape hasn't
been severely distorted. Where it's good it's incredible stereo sound.
I hope to report more on this little project. Weisgerber hopes to
assemble the complete score and market it on a CD. The guy has some deep
pockets, I guess.
Marty
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| Mutley... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:09 pm |
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Martin Hart <emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote:
Quote: After bombing out at Chace, Robert Weisgerber took the reel to Audio
Mechanics and now reports to have a CD of the resulting duplication on
its way to me.
Now the digital copy goes back to Chace for a bit of bogus stereo effect
to be added. We'll see how that turns out. I'm not a huge fan of fake
stereo but I've heard some that is absolutely convincing. Check out
Disney's "Bambi" for an example of excellent reprocessing a mono track
for fake stereo effect. I thought is was the real thing until checking
with Theo Gluck.
We now have good transcriptions of reels 1 & 3 of tape making up the
complete recording sessions for CINERAMA HOLIDAY. I wish we knew where
the second of the three reels is. It went off to an eBay buyer and I
haven't any idea of how to find out who it is. Any ideas? If that guy's
reel looked as hopeless as mine he might have pitched it or destroyed it
trying to run it on a tape deck.
The tapes include Morton Gould's directions to the orchestra which will
make for interesting listening. I have some similar recordings from
"This Is Cinerama" and it's a lot of fun, that is where the tape hasn't
been severely distorted. Where it's good it's incredible stereo sound.
I hope to report more on this little project. Weisgerber hopes to
assemble the complete score and market it on a CD. The guy has some deep
pockets, I guess.
Marty
Why could they not have made a CD from the original 35mm sound track
tapes so it would be on true stereo?? The Cinerama audio tapes do
exist don't they?? |
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| Derek Gee... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 10:08 pm |
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"Martin Hart" <emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.250bc86eaa63f999896ef at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Quote: We now have good transcriptions of reels 1 & 3 of tape making up the
complete recording sessions for CINERAMA HOLIDAY. I wish we knew where
the second of the three reels is. It went off to an eBay buyer and I
haven't any idea of how to find out who it is. Any ideas? If that guy's
reel looked as hopeless as mine he might have pitched it or destroyed it
trying to run it on a tape deck.
Have you tried contacting the seller to see if you might put you in touch?
If you explain the condition of the tapes and why you want to help, you
might convince the seller to check their records.
Derek |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:21 am |
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:08:26 -0400, "Derek Gee"
<dgeeSPAMSUCKS at (no spam) twmi.INVALID.rr.com> wrote:
Quote: "Martin Hart" <emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.250bc86eaa63f999896ef at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
We now have good transcriptions of reels 1 & 3 of tape making up the
complete recording sessions for CINERAMA HOLIDAY. I wish we knew where
the second of the three reels is. It went off to an eBay buyer and I
haven't any idea of how to find out who it is. Any ideas? If that guy's
reel looked as hopeless as mine he might have pitched it or destroyed it
trying to run it on a tape deck.
Have you tried contacting the seller to see if you might put you in touch?
If you explain the condition of the tapes and why you want to help, you
might convince the seller to check their records.
Derek
Yeah. Money gnerally talks, so contacting the seller with a reward is
an obvious first step. You also might get lucky and find that the
buyer left feedback on the seller. Just check the feedback on the
seller, view all, and go back in time to the time you purchased.
Contact the people who also bought at around the same time. Do it
quickly, before things get lost or the buyer drops out of sight.
If possible, how about posting a short (15 second or so) MP3 clip from
the restored soundtrack on your website? I'm curious how it turned
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| Martin Hart... |
| Posted: Sun Sep 06, 2009 7:35 pm |
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In article <4aa335bc$0$5661$9a6e19ea at (no spam) unlimited.newshosting.com>,
dgeeSPAMSUCKS at (no spam) twmi.INVALID.rr.com says...
Quote: "Martin Hart" <emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.250bc86eaa63f999896ef at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
We now have good transcriptions of reels 1 & 3 of tape making up the
complete recording sessions for CINERAMA HOLIDAY. I wish we knew where
the second of the three reels is. It went off to an eBay buyer and I
haven't any idea of how to find out who it is. Any ideas? If that guy's
reel looked as hopeless as mine he might have pitched it or destroyed it
trying to run it on a tape deck.
Have you tried contacting the seller to see if you might put you in touch?
If you explain the condition of the tapes and why you want to help, you
might convince the seller to check their records.
Derek
By the time Robert made a plan to do this project neither he nor I could
recall who we'd gotten the reels from. It might be possible to contact
eBay and see if they'd cooperate in the hunt.
Marty
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| Derek Gee... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:05 pm |
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"Martin Hart" <emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.250e1f4b9a3a90679896f1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Quote: In article <4aa335bc$0$5661$9a6e19ea at (no spam) unlimited.newshosting.com>,
dgeeSPAMSUCKS at (no spam) twmi.INVALID.rr.com says...
"Martin Hart" <emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.250bc86eaa63f999896ef at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
We now have good transcriptions of reels 1 & 3 of tape making up the
complete recording sessions for CINERAMA HOLIDAY. I wish we knew where
the second of the three reels is. It went off to an eBay buyer and I
haven't any idea of how to find out who it is. Any ideas? If that
guy's
reel looked as hopeless as mine he might have pitched it or destroyed
it
trying to run it on a tape deck.
Have you tried contacting the seller to see if you might put you in
touch?
If you explain the condition of the tapes and why you want to help, you
might convince the seller to check their records.
Derek
By the time Robert made a plan to do this project neither he nor I could
recall who we'd gotten the reels from. It might be possible to contact
eBay and see if they'd cooperate in the hunt.
Do you save your PayPal receipts or the eBay invoices that get generated? I
save all of those, and the seller info is in there.
Derek |
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| Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:06 pm |
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On Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:05:03 -0400, "Derek Gee"
<dgeeSPAMSUCKS at (no spam) twmi.INVALID.rr.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Martin Hart" <emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.250e1f4b9a3a90679896f1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
In article <4aa335bc$0$5661$9a6e19ea at (no spam) unlimited.newshosting.com>,
dgeeSPAMSUCKS at (no spam) twmi.INVALID.rr.com says...
"Martin Hart" <emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.250bc86eaa63f999896ef at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
We now have good transcriptions of reels 1 & 3 of tape making up the
complete recording sessions for CINERAMA HOLIDAY. I wish we knew where
the second of the three reels is. It went off to an eBay buyer and I
haven't any idea of how to find out who it is. Any ideas? If that
guy's
reel looked as hopeless as mine he might have pitched it or destroyed
it
trying to run it on a tape deck.
Have you tried contacting the seller to see if you might put you in
touch?
If you explain the condition of the tapes and why you want to help, you
might convince the seller to check their records.
Derek
By the time Robert made a plan to do this project neither he nor I could
recall who we'd gotten the reels from. It might be possible to contact
eBay and see if they'd cooperate in the hunt.
Do you save your PayPal receipts or the eBay invoices that get generated? I
save all of those, and the seller info is in there.
Derek
I was about to suggest something similar. Geeze Marty, some of us
have receipts and emails from twenty years ago. It ain't like
electronic receipts clutter up the house. |
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| Scott Norwood... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:56 am |
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In article <MPG.250bc86eaa63f999896ef at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>,
Martin Hart <emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote:
Quote:
We now have good transcriptions of reels 1 & 3 of tape making up the
complete recording sessions for CINERAMA HOLIDAY. I wish we knew where
the second of the three reels is. It went off to an eBay buyer and I
haven't any idea of how to find out who it is. Any ideas?
You could always ask the seller if he could put you in touch with the buyer.
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| Scott Dorsey... |
| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:12 am |
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Martin Hart <emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com> wrote:
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All the Cinerama films had a mono 1/4" tape recording of all the music
sessions. Why mono, I don't know but that's what they did. The 1/4"
tapes were used for the soundtrack LPs that were released of the scores
from CINERAMA HOLIDAY and SEARCH FOR PARADISE. A few selections from
SEVEN WONDERS OF THE WORLD made it onto 45rpm promo discs but no
"complete" LP was ever released from that film, as far as anyone knows.
That's too bad because SEVEN WONDERS had what I consider to be the best
music of the bunch.
These sound either like safety tapes or tapes that were specifically made
for an album release. If the original sessions were being done on magfilm,
making a full-track recording alongside the dubbers gives you an original
tape on a format that you can send to the record mastering people.
Also, of course, the individual tracks for the album might have been
edited differently than the tracks that wound up used on the film.
Quote: We don't know how these tapes turned up. There were three 10" reels that
were put up on eBay, out of the clear blue, and Weisgerber and I managed
to snag two of them, the first and third parts of the score. We may be
able to obtain additional material from other sources. What makes these
recordings interesting is that they are unedited masters with retakes
and the conductor's instructions to the orchestra.
What you need now is a copy of the score so you know what bar numbers
are what, so you can edit the thing down to a complete whole.
--scott
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| Daniel P. B. Smith... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 4:33 pm |
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I> I hope to report more on this little project. Weisgerber hopes to
Quote: assemble the complete score and market it on a CD. The guy has some deep
pockets, I guess.
How will he handle the possibly complex copyright and permissions issues?
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| three-eyed freak... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 5:37 am |
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Marty,
Who were the composers who contributed to the Cinerama Holiday music
score?
And, do you know of a specific reason why the first 3 travelogues used
multiple composers? Could it have been a lack of time for one
composer to write the complete score? |
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| Martin Hart... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:10 am |
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In article <see-my-sig-please-39A1E7.18331111092009 at (no spam) news.verizon.net>,
see-my-sig-please at (no spam) hotmail.com says...
Quote: I> I hope to report more on this little project. Weisgerber hopes to
assemble the complete score and market it on a CD. The guy has some deep
pockets, I guess.
How will he handle the possibly complex copyright and permissions issues?
Are you an attorney? Need a client? There's nothing especially complex
and permissions are not difficult to obtain.
Marty
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| Peter... |
| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:22 am |
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On 2009-09-18 08:37:14 -0700, three-eyed freak
<terrence.oreilly at (no spam) shps.com> said:
Quote: And, do you know of a specific reason why the first 3 travelogues used
multiple composers? Could it have been a lack of time for one
composer to write the complete score?
Lack of consistency in the music director (when one was even assigned)
could be the reason.
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| three-eyed freak... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:59 am |
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Thanks, Marty. I never thought of the East coast/West coast factor,
but it makes sense. I wasn't aware that Morton Gould wrote the
complete score for "Cinerama Holiday". I've tried to like his concert
music with little luck.
I completely agree with your opinion of the Tiomkin score for "Search
For Paradise". I bought the score on CD just because it was for a
Cinerama film. I seldom listen to it. It seems like a bunch of
disconnected musical ideas strung together with low-quality glue!
Please keep us updated on the possibility of a CD issue of "Cinerama
Holiday". |
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| Martin Hart... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:23 am |
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In article <22eea130-2cb2-4854-9718-33a025434d55
at (no spam) d4g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>, terrence.oreilly at (no spam) shps.com says...
Quote: Marty,
Who were the composers who contributed to the Cinerama Holiday music
score?
And, do you know of a specific reason why the first 3 travelogues used
multiple composers? Could it have been a lack of time for one
composer to write the complete score?
Morton Gould wrote the score for "Cinerama Holiday", which was produced
by Louis DeRochemont, who was also the producer of "Windjammer" in
Cinemiracle. Gould also wrote the original music for that three panel
travelogue.
While Gould had plenty of time to whip up the "Cinerama Holiday" score,
the production schedules on both "This Is Cinerama" and "Seven Wonders
of the World" was a lot more hectic. Max Steiner (uncredited) was in
charge of the scoring for "This Is Cinerama" and he enlisted the aid of
Roy Webb and others to help get the scoring and recording of the music
finished in time for the scheduled opening of the film.
Emil Newman was the musical director/composer for "Seven Wonders" and he
enlisted Jerome Moross and David Raksin to aid in the production of the
music. Those with a keen ear will notice that each man did about 1/3 of
the finished job.
One contributing factor in the use of multiple composers on the first
and third film may have something to do with them being West Coast based
and there was no way they could view footage anywhere other than Oyster
Bay, NY. Splitting the worth among multiple composers eliminated the
need for one man to spend months away from his home. The three composers
involved in "Seven Wonders" also had contractual commitments that may
have been part of the reason for splitting up the work.
Morton Gould, on the other hand, was based in New York so he could
commute to Oyster Bay on a daily basis. Alex North, composer for "South
Seas Adventure" lived in Hollywood but had deep roots in New York where
he had written for the stage and television in addition to being born
there. Lastly, Dimitri Tiomkin, composer for "Search For Paradise" seems
to have had a wanderlust and wrote music for films produced literally
around the world, so a stint in New York may have suited him fine.
Listening to Tiomkin's music suggests he could have written it anywhere
and at any time. What a dreadful work, my opinion, though it brought
Tiomkin national attention. Just thinking out loud.
Marty
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