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| Martin Hart... |
 Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:32 am |
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In article <24b54ed1-b7b0-43ab-9a3a-a628973ca716
at (no spam) m3g2000pri.googlegroups.com>, cinemad at (no spam) hotmail.com says...
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In Technicolor Movies by Richard W Haines the author states on page
23:
"In the early fifties a new prism was developed that split the light
three
ways eliminating the bipack negatives, but was never used,since
color
negatives replaced this method for principal photography."
Does anybody know what configuration this system would have taken
in relation to the standard three-strip camera?
Regards,
Peter Mason
Rich may have been referring to the development of a silvered prism
block in lieu of the gold prism that had been in use since 1935. It's
been a number of years since I've talked with Rich Haines. If I can
still get in touch with him I'll ask for some clarification.
And, by the way, Rich's "Technicolor Movies" is a damned good book.
I've spotted a few items that I think are in error but considering the
vast amount of data I give the book three big thumbs up for anyone
interested in studying the history of Technicolor from a technical
standpoint.
For folks interested in a more personal history of Technicolor, I
recommend Herbert Kalmus' autobiography "Mr. Technicolor". The book is
hard to find and a tad expensive, but it's thoroughly enjoyable.
Marty
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| Dave Garrett... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:32 pm |
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In article <MPG.25215894fbf08959896f5 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>,
emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com says...
Quote: For folks interested in a more personal history of Technicolor, I
recommend Herbert Kalmus' autobiography "Mr. Technicolor". The book is
hard to find and a tad expensive, but it's thoroughly enjoyable.
Amazon has "3 used and new from $249.98". Holy crap, I had no idea it
had become that scarce.
It is a great book, and I'm glad I got a copy when it was relatively new
and still reasonably priced.
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| Peter... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:32 pm |
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On 2009-09-21 14:32:40 -0700, Dave Garrett <dave at (no spam) compassnet.com> said:
Quote: For folks interested in a more personal history of Technicolor, I
recommend Herbert Kalmus' autobiography "Mr. Technicolor". The book is
hard to find and a tad expensive, but it's thoroughly enjoyable.
Amazon has "3 used and new from $249.98". Holy crap, I had no idea it
had become that scarce.
Back in the pre-eBay, pre-Amazon, pre-Half days, there was an online
system which was mainly used by booksellers. Biblio-something-or-other.
This was later absorbed by one of the biggies, possibly Amazon.
Using that system, I obtained copies of Mr Technicolor, Haver's book on
Selznick (the original, not a reprint), and Frayne & Wolfe (1949), and
for very low prices, too.
Alas, now that EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE is competing for the same, rare
products, prices have, understandably, headed towards the stratosphere.
AFAIK, there was never a Technicolor camera with three separate
movements, only the 1932 camera, as improved by George Mitchell and
many others, with two separate movements, one of which held the
bi-packed elements.
I am reasonably certain the roles of the bi-packed elements, and
possibly even the mono-packed element may have been experimented with,
resulting in a post-Becky Sharp and post-Flowers and Trees interchange,
ultimately giving us what we had until 1955.
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| Martin Hart... |
| Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 11:56 pm |
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In article <MPG.2521acf3a8695d9698a29d at (no spam) 208.90.168.18>,
dave at (no spam) compassnet.com says...
Quote: In article <MPG.25215894fbf08959896f5 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>,
emailme at (no spam) thewidescreenmuseum.com says...
For folks interested in a more personal history of Technicolor, I
recommend Herbert Kalmus' autobiography "Mr. Technicolor". The book is
hard to find and a tad expensive, but it's thoroughly enjoyable.
Amazon has "3 used and new from $249.98". Holy crap, I had no idea it
had become that scarce.
It is a great book, and I'm glad I got a copy when it was relatively new
and still reasonably priced.
Dave
Damn! I feel pretty lucky to have been directed to an on-line bookseller
who "gave" me the book for a mere $100.00. Not only did I get it for
such a "low" price, it was Cammie King, Bonnie Blue Butler in "Gone With
The Wind" and Herbert Kalmus' step-daughter that game me the lead on
where to get the book. My copy turned out to have a library cover over
the original dust cover and it also had an inscription to "Chatter and
Jack" from Cammie dated July 4, 1993. The book must have been part of an
estate sale or something. Whatever the case, I'm mighty beholden to
Cammie King for directing me to the seller.
I just looked at the book and I find it sort of ironic that I used a
five frame snip of a 35mm magoptical print of "How The West Was Won" in
glorious magenta Metrocolor. Sort of an insult to old Herb. I need to
change to a Technicolor bookmark. :-)
Marty
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| Martin Hart... |
| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:05 am |
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In article <h98uui$ths$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org>, peterh5322
at (no spam) rattlebrain.com says...
Quote: On 2009-09-21 14:32:40 -0700, Dave Garrett <dave at (no spam) compassnet.com> said:
For folks interested in a more personal history of Technicolor, I
recommend Herbert Kalmus' autobiography "Mr. Technicolor". The book is
hard to find and a tad expensive, but it's thoroughly enjoyable.
Amazon has "3 used and new from $249.98". Holy crap, I had no idea it
had become that scarce.
Back in the pre-eBay, pre-Amazon, pre-Half days, there was an online
system which was mainly used by booksellers. Biblio-something-or-other.
This was later absorbed by one of the biggies, possibly Amazon.
Using that system, I obtained copies of Mr Technicolor, Haver's book on
Selznick (the original, not a reprint), and Frayne & Wolfe (1949), and
for very low prices, too.
Alas, now that EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE is competing for the same, rare
products, prices have, understandably, headed towards the stratosphere.
Nowadays it seems that any worthwhile book on film technology has a
starting price of at least $100.00. I considered myself fortunate to get
a copy of Adrian Cornwell-Clyne's excellent "Colour Cinematography",
third edition published in 1951. It's a treasure trove of detailed
explanations of most all color motion picture techniques up to the date
of publication. I've got about a dozen Metrocolor bookmarks in my copy.
Quote: AFAIK, there was never a Technicolor camera with three separate
movements, only the 1932 camera, as improved by George Mitchell and
many others, with two separate movements, one of which held the
bi-packed elements.
I am reasonably certain the roles of the bi-packed elements, and
possibly even the mono-packed element may have been experimented with,
resulting in a post-Becky Sharp and post-Flowers and Trees interchange,
ultimately giving us what we had until 1955.
That agrees with all my own research on the Technicolor camera. A major
change to the three strip camera in the early to mid fifties would have
been an expensive and ultimately needless change. Kalmus was very much
in favor of shooting with Eastman color or other monopack type single
films versus the complex and expensive three-strip camera. He'd been
predicting the replacement of the Technicolor camera since 1940. The
Second World War delayed its obsolescence until 1955.
Marty
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| Peter... |
| Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 2:54 pm |
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On 2009-09-22 09:53:09 -0700, Peter <peterh5322 at (no spam) rattlebrain.com> said:
Quote: But, Technicolor had no capability to make 35mm monopack, anyway, and,
instead, it ordered Kodachrome Commercial on a special KS-perfed base,
which Kodak processed for Technicolor.
Funny, the usually acute critics of posts to this NG did not catch my
obvious -- now, to me -- error.
The film which Kodak made for Technicolor, on an exclusive basis, was
Kodachrome Commercial on a BH -- Bell and Howell -- base, not a KS --
Kodak Standard -- base.
Kodachrome for direct projection, whether 35mm or 16mm or perhaps other
sizes, was KS-perfed, and was not subject to the *Monopack Agreement*.
Kodachrome Commercial for 16mm was similarly perfed, but KC for 35mm,
on a BH -perfed base, was available only through Technicolor, in
accordance with the *Monopack Agreement*.
A Western professional, pin-registered camera cannot maintain register
unless the film is BH, although such a camera, by design, will pass a
KS-perfed element, but with poor registration.
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