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| Auntie C... |
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:17 pm |
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Hi, everyone. I've got a bit of a dilemma: my 7 year old son has been
invited to a friend’s birthday party, where they will be taking the
kids to see the 3D version of the movie “G-Force”, and my problem is
that I think my son may be stereoblind (he had surgery when he was 1
for strabismus, and had to wear a patch on one eye for hours every
day, for years. He is no longer cross-eyed, but his ophthalmologist
said that it is very possible that he may never have true 3D vision,
a.k.a. “steroblindness”.) My concern isn’t really that he won’t get
the 3D effect when he sees the movie- it would be perfectly fine if
the movie just looked to him exactly the same as the standard 2D
version. Rather, my worry is that the movie will look messed-up to
him (like for example, as if you looked at those older 3D images
without the glasses that had one lens green and the other red, so that
you saw all the extra red and green on the image. So basically I’m
afraid that since his eyes won’t be able to process whatever extra
stuff is added to the images to make them appear 3D, the added 3D
stuff will instead totally screw up the appearance of the movie to
him.) By any chance, is there anyone out there with steroblindness
who has seen a recent 3D movie, and can describe what that experience
was like? Thanks! |
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| J. Theakston... |
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:36 pm |
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On Jul 13, 2:17 am, Auntie C <caryn.gra... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: By any chance, is there anyone out there with steroblindness
who has seen a recent 3D movie, and can describe what that experience
was like? Thanks!
If he wears the glasses, he'll be able to see the picture on the
screen however he experiences 3D in real world settings (ie. flat).
If he doesn't wear the glasses, the image WILL be blurry.
PS. For what it's worth, Polaroid has been in use in conjunction with
films since the '30s. Red and cyan (anaglyph) glasses haven't been
used in any serious (emphasis on "serious") films for years.
J. Theakston |
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| Neil Midkiff... |
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 12:59 am |
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J. Theakston wrote:
Quote: PS. For what it's worth, Polaroid has been in use in conjunction with
films since the '30s. Red and cyan (anaglyph) glasses haven't been
used in any serious (emphasis on "serious") films for years.
I'm guessing that she's seen 3-D still photos in printed books done this
way, with the red/cyan glasses in a little pocket inside the front
cover, and assumed that movies still used the same technology.
-Neil Midkiff |
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Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:26 am |
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I'm stereoblind, but not as a result of strabismus, so I couldn't tell
you whether there'll be some muscular issues for him trying to make
things converge (that probably contyributed to classical reports of
headaches at 3D movies).
What he'll see is the same thing you see if you close one eye.
There's a possibility he may see two discrete images trying to
converge; just tell him if he sees double to close one eye. It's not
much of a possibility at distances such as in a movie theater.
You might guess: 3D reproduction effects are pretty stupid and
tiresome for people who don't see 3D. |
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| J. Theakston... |
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:46 pm |
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On Jul 13, 8:31 pm, "Derek Gee" <dgeeSPAMSU... at (no spam) twmi.INVALID.rr.com>
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Quote: "Neil Midkiff" <nmidk... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:-aednU2y4ofJRsfXnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com...
J. Theakston wrote:
PS. For what it's worth, Polaroid has been in use in conjunction with
films since the '30s. Red and cyan (anaglyph) glasses haven't been
used in any serious (emphasis on "serious") films for years.
I'm guessing that she's seen 3-D still photos in printed books done this
way, with the red/cyan glasses in a little pocket inside the front cover,
and assumed that movies still used the same technology.
-Neil Midkiff
Heck, she might have seen those "antique" 3-D films that Robert Rodriguez
released
in anaglyph, "Spy Kids 3-D" and "The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl"!
That was 2003 and 2005 respectively.
Again, emphasis on "serious."
J. Theakston |
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| Derek Gee... |
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:31 pm |
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"Neil Midkiff" <nmidkiff at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:-aednU2y4ofJRsfXnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com...
Quote: J. Theakston wrote:
PS. For what it's worth, Polaroid has been in use in conjunction with
films since the '30s. Red and cyan (anaglyph) glasses haven't been
used in any serious (emphasis on "serious") films for years.
I'm guessing that she's seen 3-D still photos in printed books done this
way, with the red/cyan glasses in a little pocket inside the front cover,
and assumed that movies still used the same technology.
-Neil Midkiff
Heck, she might have seen those "antique" 3-D films that Robert Rodriguez
released
in anaglyph, "Spy Kids 3-D" and "The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl"!
That was 2003 and 2005 respectively. ;)
Derek |
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| Auntie C... |
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:18 pm |
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Hi again. Thank you so much J., Neil, rotoflexspamt, and Scott, for
replying to my post. For the record, I actually was aware that the
modern (and serious ) 3D movies don’t use the old anaglyph
technology anymore- I was just using that as an example to illustrate
how the appearance of something meant to be 3D, may be “off” for
someone who is stereoblind. I had first done a bit of Internet
research to try to see if I could find the answer to my question, but
after I found that my concern was never explicitly addressed anywhere,
I decided to post the question.
I also agree with Scott, that G-force doesn’t exactly look like the
greatest movie in the world. Trust me, if it were up to me, that
wouldn’t be what I would take him to (and definitely not the 3D
version- of that or of any other movie for that matter.) But
obviously, the choice is being dictated by the birthday boy and his
family, so that is out of my control. This has been really agonizing
for me... for one thing, my boy isn’t even aware yet that he has this
problem (I’m not 100% sure either, but it does seem highly likely at
this point.) So now I think I’m going to have to break this tough
news to him beforehand, to avoid him finding out (and possibly
creating a scene) when he’s actually in the theater and realizes that
there’s nothing special about the movie for him like how it is for
everyone else.
But it is an enormous relief, that in all likelihood, the movie will
at least be normal to him (if not only was it not 3D, but the movie
was also completely ruined for him, then he would almost certainly
freak out at the theater, no matter how much I tried to prepare him in
advance.) And I will definitely also have him take his eyepatch with
him in case that turns out to be necessary, just to be on the safe
side (thanks for that tip!)
So- I'll be keeping my fingers crossed, that it will all turn out
O.K. Thanks again. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:22 am |
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Quote: for one thing, my boy isn’t even aware yet that he has this
problem (I’m not 100% sure either, but it does seem highly likely at
this point.)
I didn't know until I was 30, it was at a boilerplate eye test at some
eyeglass chain like VisionWorld or whatever. They put a pair of
polarized glasses on you, have you look at a card, & ask which pattern
is different. Be aware that even if he can detect which pattern is
different, it won't be a gauge of successful stereo vision. I passed
the 70s-era drivers license "look in the box and see which is closer"
stereopsis test just by comparing left and right images.
Don't think that it's best for him to not know if his stereo vision is
less than typical, thinking that he'll adapt, improve, or it will make
no difference. He needs to know what he's working with, and know that
he can get along as well as everyone else and even better in most
situations with monocular depth cues. But take it from someone who
knows, he's going to hear "Anyone can do it if they just keep trying"
from people aiming baseballs, tennis balls, footballs, ping-pong
balls, etc. for years, and there's not a chance in hell that he will
without average stereopsis. |
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| Larry... |
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:35 pm |
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On Jul 14, 6:22 am, rotoflexSPAMT... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: for one thing, my boy isn’t even aware yet that he has this
problem (I’m not 100% sure either, but it does seem highly likely at
this point.)
I didn't know until I was 30, it was at a boilerplate eye test at some
eyeglass chain like VisionWorld or whatever. They put a pair of
polarized glasses on you, have you look at a card, & ask which pattern
is different. Be aware that even if he can detect which pattern is
different, it won't be a gauge of successful stereo vision. I passed
the 70s-era drivers license "look in the box and see which is closer"
stereopsis test just by comparing left and right images.
Don't think that it's best for him to not know if his stereo vision is
less than typical, thinking that he'll adapt, improve, or it will make
no difference. He needs to know what he's working with, and know that
he can get along as well as everyone else and even better in most
situations with monocular depth cues. But take it from someone who
knows, he's going to hear "Anyone can do it if they just keep trying"
from people aiming baseballs, tennis balls, footballs, ping-pong
balls, etc. for years, and there's not a chance in hell that he will
without average stereopsis.
A little off the subject but FYI. My wife has astigmatism and she is
unable to get any 3D effect on the anaglyphic system. The glasses
eliminate the double image is all. The polaroid system works just
fine with full 3D effects.
Larry |
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| Martin Hart... |
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:35 pm |
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In article <e1eeb14e-ae57-468f-951b-
9b932ee0738b at (no spam) k6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, lcinerama at (no spam) cox.net says...
Quote:
A little off the subject but FYI. My wife has astigmatism and she is
unable to get any 3D effect on the anaglyphic system. The glasses
eliminate the double image is all. The polaroid system works just
fine with full 3D effects.
Larry
Larry,
I have astigmatism and neither anaglyph nor Polaroid 3-D poses the least
problem. Of course I have to wear the damned glasses over my regular
pair. Astigmatism itself should pose no problem as long as you also
wear corrective lenses with the 3-D glasses.
I have done a lot of work in 3-D stills, sometimes creating them from
flat images, and I've converted lots of old stereopticon images to
anaglyph 3-D.
I think you might get a few color blindness test pictures and see if
she's got a problem that anaglyph can't get around.
Marty
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The American WideScreen Museum
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/ |
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| Auntie C... |
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:29 pm |
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On Jul 14, 4:22 am, rotoflexSPAMT... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
Quote: for one thing, my boy isn’t even aware yet that he has this
problem (I’m not 100% sure either, but it does seem highly likely at
this point.)
I didn't know until I was 30, it was at a boilerplate eye test at some
eyeglass chain like VisionWorld or whatever. They put a pair of
polarized glasses on you, have you look at a card, & ask which pattern
is different. Be aware that even if he can detect which pattern is
different, it won't be a gauge of successful stereo vision. I passed
the 70s-era drivers license "look in the box and see which is closer"
stereopsis test just by comparing left and right images.
Don't think that it's best for him to not know if his stereo vision is
less than typical, thinking that he'll adapt, improve, or it will make
no difference. He needs to know what he's working with, and know that
he can get along as well as everyone else and even better in most
situations with monocular depth cues. But take it from someone who
knows, he's going to hear "Anyone can do it if they just keep trying"
from people aiming baseballs, tennis balls, footballs, ping-pong
balls, etc. for years, and there's not a chance in hell that he will
without average stereopsis.
Hmmm, that's a very interesting perspective. I had, in fact, been
sheltering him from this knowledge, because I was afraid that it would
only cause him anxiety and distress, but perhaps as you suggest, there
are benefits to knowing, which in the long run outweigh the initial
shock. Well, since it's looking like I will have to tell him about it
soon, I appreciate this, because this will make it easier for me to do
it. |
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| Derek Gee... |
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:31 pm |
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"J. Theakston" <tomservorobot at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8d7474d3-1cc1-4da0-bd68-eedc98466603 at (no spam) s6g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 13, 8:31 pm, "Derek Gee" <dgeeSPAMSU... at (no spam) twmi.INVALID.rr.com>
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Quote: "Neil Midkiff" <nmidk... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:-aednU2y4ofJRsfXnZ2dnUVZ_omdnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com...
J. Theakston wrote:
PS. For what it's worth, Polaroid has been in use in conjunction with
films since the '30s. Red and cyan (anaglyph) glasses haven't been
used in any serious (emphasis on "serious") films for years.
I'm guessing that she's seen 3-D still photos in printed books done this
way, with the red/cyan glasses in a little pocket inside the front
cover,
and assumed that movies still used the same technology.
-Neil Midkiff
Heck, she might have seen those "antique" 3-D films that Robert Rodriguez
released
in anaglyph, "Spy Kids 3-D" and "The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl"!
That was 2003 and 2005 respectively. ;)
Again, emphasis on "serious."
J. Theakston
What wasn't "serious" about Rodriguez's projects? They were shot with state
of the art digital cameras
(http://digitalcontentproducer.com/e-newsletters/HD_Focus_05_19_05/)
and they made some serious cash! (Spy Kids grossed $197,011,982 worldwide
and Sharkboy grossed $69,425,966)
While I didn't support the decision to release them as anaglyph, I do
understand why he did that. If they were released now, instead of 4-6 years
ago in a RealD or Imax3D theater they would probably do quite well.
Derek |
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| J. Theakston... |
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:36 pm |
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On Jul 14, 10:31 pm, "Derek Gee" <dgeeSPAMSU... at (no spam) twmi.INVALID.rr.com>
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Quote: What wasn't "serious" about Rodriguez's projects?
The fact that in the end, no matter how much money they grossed, they
still stink both artistically and stereoscopically.
In my humble opinion.
J. Theakston |
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| Martin 'Martinland' Schemitsch... |
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:51 pm |
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On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:18:16 +0100, Auntie C <caryn.graves at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I also agree with Scott, that G-force doesn’t exactly look like the
greatest movie in the world.
That's what puzzles me: Is there _any_ movie from the last couple of years or even film history that's _great_ as a movie and happens to be in stereoscopic 3D (as opposed to computer-animated in 3D e.g. with threedimensional data - I am a bit worried about this latest confusion)?
Hands down: Stereoscopic 3D will always be a gimmick, no matter what they try to tell us now (for at least the third time in a hundred years of cinema)...
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| Scott Dorsey... |
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:02 pm |
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Martin 'Martinland' Schemitsch <team8martinland at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
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That's what puzzles me: Is there _any_ movie from the last couple of years or even film history that's _great_ as a movie and happens to be in stereoscopic 3D (as opposed to computer-animated in 3D e.g. with threedimensional data - I am a bit worried about this latest confusion)?
Dial M for Murder.
Quote: Hands down: Stereoscopic 3D will always be a gimmick, no matter what they try to tell us now (for at least the third time in a hundred years of cinema)...
This is probably true, yes.
--scott
You'll notice I didn't mention Robot Monster...
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