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| Daniel Tryba |
 Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 8:23 pm |
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Brandon J. Van Every <mylastnameruntogether@mycompanyname.com> wrote:
Quote: The only reason I'm putting up with this, is because I've totally,
totally worn myself out on similar escapades trying to get Cygwin and
MinGW stuff to behave as I want. I believe in the long run, for open
source development, trading in Windows for Linux will be worth it. I
hope I am not wrong. The sheer clumsiness of Ubuntu is making me
question my strategy. I think if I cannot solve all outstanding
problems within 1 more week, if the labor to "get up and running with
Linux" is longer than 2 weeks, then I will have to consider that maybe
I've erred. Maybe this isn't a good trade.
What's your problem? And why are you complaining about them here? This
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| rapskat |
| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:20 pm |
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begin Error Log for Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:34:35 -0700 - "Brandon J. Van
Every" <mylastnameruntogether@mycompanyname.com> caused an invalid page
fault at address <d8dev9$f6k$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, details as follows:
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The only reason I'm putting up with this, is because I've totally,
totally worn myself out on similar escapades trying to get Cygwin and
MinGW stuff to behave as I want. I believe in the long run, for open
source development, trading in Windows for Linux will be worth it. I
hope I am not wrong. The sheer clumsiness of Ubuntu is making me
question my strategy. I think if I cannot solve all outstanding
problems within 1 more week, if the labor to "get up and running with
Linux" is longer than 2 weeks, then I will have to consider that maybe
I've erred. Maybe this isn't a good trade.
Why not try a different distro? There are several to choose from, surely
one would be better suited for your intentions.
I recommend Mepis or Mandriva.
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rapskat - 23:19:11 up 4:26, 2 users, load average: 0.19, 0.40, 0.54
"Immortality is an adequate definition of high availability for
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| Kouros |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:54 am |
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philo wrote:
Quote: On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:34:35 -0700, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
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The sheer clumsiness of Ubuntu
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tried that distro...
thumbs down!
You will probably do much better with Vector Linux...
What are the major problems with Ubuntu? I've played with the LiveCD but
not made the jump yet.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:03 am |
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Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
Quote: The only reason I'm putting up with this, is because I've totally,
Sounds like you need to create your own password protected blog
and log everything in microscopic detail. |
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| Guest |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:55 am |
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Kouros <pling@pling.pling> wrote:
K> The sheer clumsiness of Ubuntu
Quote: tried that distro...
thumbs down!
You will probably do much better with Vector Linux...
K
K> What are the major problems with Ubuntu? I've played with the LiveCD but
K> not made the jump yet.
Nothing is wrong with Ubuntu. It's the best Linux ever, and the first one
that didn't make me break the CD's in frustration. (Tried Mandrake,
Fedora, Mepis.. yuck)
Then again I can relate to the OP. If he remotely values his time then
Linux already cost him loads more than buying a copy of XP AND Office..
Productivity will be lost every day. I just can't afford to run Linux
other than as a toy. (I enjoy jigsaw puzzles too)
Anyway, for the modem: All modems these days are Win-modems. These don;t
work with Linux. Sorry. The reason I am able to post this is because I
enabled Connection Sharing on a Windows XP laptop and Linux connects
through that. It doesn't see my modem. So either get ADSL or go find a
really old modem, preferably one that still uses a serial port. Those seem
to work.
Cheers,
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| Liam Slider |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 12:37 pm |
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On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:55:15 +0000, Chanchao wrote:
Quote: Anyway, for the modem: All modems these days are Win-modems.
Only most, not all.
Quote: These
don;t work with Linux. Sorry.
Actually, quite a few do, but you need drivers. |
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| tab |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:19 pm |
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See, now you getting the hang of getting a good fight going.
Soon, they call your flatfish++. |
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| Brandon J. Van Every |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:38 pm |
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tab wrote:
Quote: See, now you getting the hang of getting a good fight going.
Soon, they call your flatfish++.
I would prefer a more lispy (inc flatfish), although now I'm sure the
lispers will tell me I'm doing it all wrong. I don't think people will
fight me. They know I am not the least bit serious hanging out here,
and I think when they pick fights, they want to win against a strident,
serious opponent. They probably see me as a complete waste of time.
Whereas I have exactly the opposite view: it's those strident, serious
fights that are the complete waste of time. They're fine when you're 20
or younger and don't know anything, but geez people, anyone who's been
around the block with technology for a decade or more can't get sucked
into such rubbish so lightly. If we're going to argue about meaningless
techno-drivel, it has to be entertaining!! Now, where are my shoulder
scrub brushes, it's time to invade Cuba.
Or is it time to slog at the Wacom driver again? Groan, I guess it is.
I just struck out hard at signature gathering, made $5 for 1 hour of
standing around and 3 hours of catching buses. What a complete waste of
time. Just like getting Linux up and running!
The only thing worse than slogging at Linux is slogging at Cygwin and MinGW.
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Cheers, www.indiegamedesign.com
Brandon Van Every Seattle, WA
How I really feel about Ubuntu Linux:
http://www.redlandsfortnightly.org/images/baker00.jpg |
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| Kouros |
| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:08 am |
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Chanchao@hotpop.invalid wrote:
Quote: Kouros <pling@pling.pling> wrote:
K> The sheer clumsiness of Ubuntu
tried that distro...
thumbs down!
You will probably do much better with Vector Linux...
K
K> What are the major problems with Ubuntu? I've played with the LiveCD but
K> not made the jump yet.
Nothing is wrong with Ubuntu. It's the best Linux ever, and the first one
that didn't make me break the CD's in frustration. (Tried Mandrake,
Fedora, Mepis.. yuck)
Then again I can relate to the OP. If he remotely values his time then
Linux already cost him loads more than buying a copy of XP AND Office..
Productivity will be lost every day. I just can't afford to run Linux
other than as a toy. (I enjoy jigsaw puzzles too)
Anyway, for the modem: All modems these days are Win-modems. These don;t
work with Linux. Sorry. The reason I am able to post this is because I
enabled Connection Sharing on a Windows XP laptop and Linux connects
through that. It doesn't see my modem. So either get ADSL or go find a
really old modem, preferably one that still uses a serial port. Those seem
to work.
Although most people are moving to Boradband now - my modem is also a
Wifi Router and seems to work perfectly fine with the LiveCD of Ubuntu.
In fact, most things that people told me would be difficult with Linux
aren't, except for something taken for granted nowadays - sound!
But I am reliably informed that is because I have a real cheap-ass
computer, and the soundcard is non-Soundblaster compatible. A £15
upgrade should fix that... we'll see. |
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| philo |
| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:24 am |
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Kouros wrote:
Quote: philo wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:34:35 -0700, Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
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The sheer clumsiness of Ubuntu
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tried that distro...
thumbs down!
You will probably do much better with Vector Linux...
What are the major problems with Ubuntu? I've played with the LiveCD but
not made the jump yet.
Over the winter, when I have nothing better to do...I try out various
Linux distros. I have a whole workshop full of spare machines ranging
from P-1's through P-4's , plus an assorment of AMD and even Cyrix .
I've loaded thees machines with every version of Windows I can get my
hands on... Use OS/2 , BeOS, FreeBSD etc. And have thus far tried out:
RedHat/Fedora, Mandrake, Yoper, Slackware, Vector , SuSe, Debian,
Xandros and several others to say the least.
In my experience with Ubuntu, it was the worst of the lot.
But I see a lot of posts from folks who say it's the best one out there.
I just don't get it...but if it works for you...great!
With most distros my standard ps/2 mouse and standard video hardware are
configured correctly by default. At worst I may need to spend a little
time manually editing xorg.conf (or xfree ).
With Ubuntu (and I tried it on three different machines) even my ps/2
mouse was detected wrong. It was detected as /dev/mouse but in /dev
there was not even an entry for mouse...so i had to change my config
file to /dev/psaux . Getting video to work was even worse.
Anyway... from what I've seen on usenet posts...most folks have gotten
better results. At any rate...I'm sticking mainly with FC3 and Vector. |
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| Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz |
| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:06 am |
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begin In <42ab2583$0$15479$dbd4b001@news.euronet.nl>, on 06/11/2005
at 05:55 PM, Chanchao@hotpop.invalid said:
Quote: Then again I can relate to the OP. If he remotely values his time
then Linux already cost him loads more than buying a copy of XP AND
Office..
Good advice, good advice,
good advice costs nothang
and it's worth the price
(AS)
Quote: Anyway, for the modem: All modems these days are Win-modems.
Hogwash.
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