You know how the economic crisis hit you, because the few who
spoke out about its coming were drowned out by the herd ?
Blogs are a crappy substitute for newsgroups:
= for a hi-volume forum the inability to thread is disasterous,
= it's absurd to dedicate a whole full-feature browser to the task,
= under linux: opera is difficult to read,

= lynx fetches me other contributer's [supposed to be confidential]
email-addresses,
= links doesn't wait for the cookie-prompts'
= if ya'll are managing OK, it's because you are herd-followers,
with never an original though, so just by luck the
used-by-95%-of-the-population-sytem works OK for you.
There's a difference between 'works according to the officially
agreed specification', and 'works by current consensus/popularity'

What can we do about this problem?

Wait until the shiny new smell wears off. It's a fad. My big peeve is the

You know how the economic crisis hit you, because the few who
spoke out about its coming were drowned out by the herd ?
Blogs are a crappy substitute for newsgroups:
= for a hi-volume forum the inability to thread is disasterous,
= it's absurd to dedicate a whole full-feature browser to the task,
= under linux: opera is difficult to read,
= lynx fetches me other contributer's [supposed to be confidential]
email-addresses,
= links doesn't wait for the cookie-prompts'
= if ya'll are managing OK, it's because you are herd-followers,
with never an original though, so just by luck the
used-by-95%-of-the-population-sytem works OK for you.
There's a difference between 'works according to the officially
agreed specification', and 'works by current consensus/popularity'

What can we do about this problem?

What can we do about this problem?

You know how the economic crisis hit you, because the few who
spoke out about its coming were drowned out by the herd ?
Blogs are a crappy substitute for newsgroups:
[...]
What can we do about this problem?

Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:21:22 -0800, Keith Keller did cat :

Mailing
lists are becoming bigger, too, probably because spam can be controlled
better.

uh? that's a private joke or what?-D)

On 2009-11-04, Loki Harfagr <l0k1 at (no spam) thedarkdesign.free.fr.INVALID> wrote:
Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:21:22 -0800, Keith Keller did cat :

Mailing
lists are becoming bigger, too, probably because spam can be
controlled better.

uh? that's a private joke or what?-D)

Nope. Mailing lists can be restricted to member email addresses, and
the membership list can be restricted to members as well. So spam to
those lists is negligible.

(The CentOS mailing list is a good example
of an almost spam-free list.) Certainly not all mailing lists are run
this way, and those are rife with spam, just like usenet.

Wed, 04 Nov 2009 12:04:49 -0800, Keith Keller did cat :

Nope. Mailing lists can be restricted to member email addresses, and
the membership list can be restricted to members as well. So spam to
those lists is negligible.

Oh yes, OK then, but that's closed list mailing-lists, you'd get the same
(or better) no-spam rate in a moderated group, plus a better
management in bandwidth/efficiency/Q2A-adequation (and no loosy
vacation tool setup with the left big thumb of left foot that'll
drown the mailing-list under moronic denegations, OK you may add a
rule to the mailing-list that eXchange is not allowed

On Thu, 5 Nov 2009, in the Usenet newsgroup comp.os.linux.misc, in article
lmmbs6xg6b.ln2 at (no spam) goaway.wombat.san-francisco.ca.us>, Keith Keller wrote:

I agree, but AIUI taking a usenet group moderated is nontrivial,
especially in the big 8 hierarchy. It's also not 100% the same: again,

I haven't seen that many groups change to moderated in the past five
years, but the changes haven't been that bad. There is a
"Moderated Newsgroups FAQ" posted to a number of administrative
newsgroups - http://www.swcp.com/~dmckeon/mod-faq.html or
ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet/news.answers/news/moderated-ng-faq but
it hasn't been updated recently (Version: 0.7.01 from Mar 1997).

AIUI, moderated newsgroups need to have every message actively
approved or denied

http://www.algebra.com/~ichudov/stump/faq.txt isn't that much newer
(Last-Update: Sep 1, 1998), but many newsgroups use some form of
robo-moderation - to various degrees of success. For example,
'comp.os.linux.announce' is robo-moderated and gets a bit of spam,
while several of the 'news.*' moderated groups see less overall.
This could be a result of the administrator configuring the
moderation software, or the different focus or genre. The
"Usenet Hierarchy Administration FAQ" (posted monthly to
'news.admin.hierarchies' and last updated about two months ago)
mentions some of the problems.

I can't see a way to limit posting to ''subscribed'' members of a
newsgroup, which is the compromise solution that these mailing lists
allow.

From a _practical_ standpoint, ``subscription'' doesn't have the same
meaning in a Usenet newsgroup as compared to mailing lists, blogs,
and the like.

Old guy

I agree, but AIUI taking a usenet group moderated is nontrivial,
especially in the big 8 hierarchy. It's also not 100% the same: again,

AIUI, moderated newsgroups need to have every message actively
approved or denied

I can't see a way to limit posting to ''subscribed'' members of a
newsgroup, which is the compromise solution that these mailing lists
allow.