Whose brilliant idea is it to mask kde3?

I've tried KDE4 at every minor release since 4.1 and it is still
garbage. Too many idiotic decisions have been made that reduce its
useablity to nil and in my opinion it is simply not ready. Some of the
nastier aspects I discovered in less than 8 hours of use:

[...]
No desktop. Insanity! Everything is shoved inside a window. I can
drag icons outside the window, but they remain in the window and
there's no obvious way to get rid of the window. Reminds me of
windows 3.1, or perhaps a very old version of CDE.

[...]
I guess I'll just unmask kde3.

Hopefully gentoo won't make too many other poor decisions regarding
kde3 and make it unuseable.

Maybe it's tine to switch to gnome, [...

...] or to another distribution.

On Tuesday 03 November 2009 04:48 in alt.os.linux.gentoo, somebody
identifying as AZ Nomad wrote...

Whose brilliant idea is it to mask kde3?

Thanks for the heads-up. My missing hardware is being supplied today
and if all goes well, then I may (re)start on the Gentoo installation
today.

I've tried KDE4 at every minor release since 4.1 and it is still
garbage. Too many idiotic decisions have been made that reduce its
useablity to nil and in my opinion it is simply not ready. Some of the
nastier aspects I discovered in less than 8 hours of use:

[...]
No desktop. Insanity! Everything is shoved inside a window. I can
drag icons outside the window, but they remain in the window and
there's no obvious way to get rid of the window. Reminds me of
windows 3.1, or perhaps a very old version of CDE.

This is something that I've read about in another group. It's still
possible to have icons on the desktop but the mechanism is different.
You have to add a plasma applet with "folder view" or something, which
will then have some sort of translucent appearance. (Note: I hate the
word "folder", because people only started calling directories folders
because of MICROS~1.)

[...]
I guess I'll just unmask kde3.

That is also what I plan to do.

Maybe it's tine to switch to gnome, [...

I'm not really a fan of Gnome. I really do like KDE 3.5.10 though.

...] or to another distribution.

Sabayon is Gentoo-based, but I haven't really checked their package
list, so it's possible they supply KDE 4 as well, although I /believe/
that their default desktop environment is Gnome.

Maybe it's tine to switch to gnome, [...

I'm not really a fan of Gnome. I really do like KDE 3.5.10 though.

...] or to another distribution.

Sabayon is Gentoo-based, but I haven't really checked their package
list, so it's possible they supply KDE 4 as well, although I /believe/
that their default desktop environment is Gnome.

I myself have recently also been looking into NexentaOS, which is the
GNU userland with the OpenSolaris kernel and C library. The package
management and set-up is based upon Ubuntu, but what I find interesting
about it are the Solaris Zones, ZFS, and the fact that it also supports
running in a Xen dom0/domU, but then again, they're all binary packages
and of course, then it won't be "Linux" anymore.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 15:32:07 +0100, Aragorn <aragorn at (no spam) chatfactory.invalid> wrote:
Maybe it's tine to switch to gnome, [...

I'm not really a fan of Gnome. I really do like KDE 3.5.10 though.

...] or to another distribution.

Sabayon is Gentoo-based, but I haven't really checked their package
list, so it's possible they supply KDE 4 as well, although I /believe/
that their default desktop environment is Gnome.

I myself have recently also been looking into NexentaOS, which is the
GNU userland with the OpenSolaris kernel and C library. The package
management and set-up is based upon Ubuntu, but what I find interesting
about it are the Solaris Zones, ZFS, and the fact that it also supports
running in a Xen dom0/domU, but then again, they're all binary packages
and of course, then it won't be "Linux" anymore.

I've settled down a bit. I'll probably start using gnome until kde4
matures out a bit. I did the same thing when kde 3.x first came out.

I just don't understand what the kde people are thinking when they make
really idiotic decisions. Do they even use their desktop for real work?

Whose brilliant idea is it to mask kde3?

Missing settings. I can't have the window manager perform actions
depending on the application. Can't have a particular application
show up on all desktops, or be sized a certain way.

Konsole has settings for colors but little else.

No bluetooth manager.

Maybe it's tine to switch to gnome, or to another distribution.

Maybe it's tine to switch to gnome, or to another distribution.

I considered that, too, but next year they'll switch to Gnome 3 and
I left Gnome when they switched to Gnome 2.

I only expect to switch to gnome for the time period between kde3
being unuseable and kde4 being made useable.

On Thursday 05 November 2009 00:18 in alt.os.linux.gentoo, somebody
identifying as AZ Nomad wrote...

I only expect to switch to gnome for the time period between kde3
being unuseable and kde4 being made useable.

Why not unmask KDE 3.5.10 then?

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:28:11 +0100, Aragorn
aragorn at (no spam) chatfactory.invalid> wrote:

On Thursday 05 November 2009 00:18 in alt.os.linux.gentoo, somebody
identifying as AZ Nomad wrote...

I only expect to switch to gnome for the time period between kde3
being unuseable and kde4 being made useable.

Why not unmask KDE 3.5.10 then?

I indend to and keep using 3.x until the bitter end. However, with
the news about kde3's support ending, I don't expect 3.5 to keep
working for much longer, unmasked or not.

On Thursday 05 November 2009 00:39 in alt.os.linux.gentoo, somebody
identifying as AZ Nomad wrote...

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:28:11 +0100, Aragorn
aragorn at (no spam) chatfactory.invalid> wrote:

On Thursday 05 November 2009 00:18 in alt.os.linux.gentoo, somebody
identifying as AZ Nomad wrote...

I only expect to switch to gnome for the time period between kde3
being unuseable and kde4 being made useable.

Why not unmask KDE 3.5.10 then?

I indend to and keep using 3.x until the bitter end. However, with
the news about kde3's support ending, I don't expect 3.5 to keep
working for much longer, unmasked or not.

Hmm, I don't think that they're going to break it, but rather that
the "end of support" means "we're not going to be fixing any more bugs
in it or apply any patches to it".

I don't think KDE 3.5.10 will ever really disappear until at the very
least KDE 4.x has its act together, and by that time they may even
already be working on KDE 5.0.

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:44:08 +0100, Aragorn
aragorn at (no spam) chatfactory.invalid> wrote:

On Thursday 05 November 2009 00:39 in alt.os.linux.gentoo, somebody
identifying as AZ Nomad wrote...

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:28:11 +0100, Aragorn
aragorn at (no spam) chatfactory.invalid> wrote:

On Thursday 05 November 2009 00:18 in alt.os.linux.gentoo, somebody
identifying as AZ Nomad wrote...

I only expect to switch to gnome for the time period between kde3
being unuseable and kde4 being made useable.

Why not unmask KDE 3.5.10 then?

I indend to and keep using 3.x until the bitter end. However, with
the news about kde3's support ending, I don't expect 3.5 to keep
working for much longer, unmasked or not.

Hmm, I don't think that they're going to break it, but rather that
the "end of support" means "we're not going to be fixing any more
bugs in it or apply any patches to it".

I don't think KDE 3.5.10 will ever really disappear until at the very
least KDE 4.x has its act together, and by that time they may even
already be working on KDE 5.0. ;-)

not another dot zero release! I hate them!

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:28:11 +0100, Aragorn wrote:
On Thursday 05 November 2009 00:18 in alt.os.linux.gentoo, somebody
identifying as AZ Nomad wrote...

I only expect to switch to gnome for the time period between kde3
being unuseable and kde4 being made useable.

Why not unmask KDE 3.5.10 then?

I indend to and keep using 3.x until the bitter end. However, with the
news about kde3's support ending, I don't expect 3.5 to keep working for
much longer, unmasked or not.

On 2009-11-04, AZ Nomad <aznomad.3 at (no spam) PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:28:11 +0100, Aragorn wrote:
On Thursday 05 November 2009 00:18 in alt.os.linux.gentoo, somebody
identifying as AZ Nomad wrote...

I only expect to switch to gnome for the time period between kde3
being unuseable and kde4 being made useable.

Why not unmask KDE 3.5.10 then?

I indend to and keep using 3.x until the bitter end. However, with the
news about kde3's support ending, I don't expect 3.5 to keep working for
much longer, unmasked or not.


Actually, I really like kde 4. I think it's a huge improvement over
3.5.10 which I found to be clunky, slow and *still* buggy.

Navigating multiple desktops is a breeze with the new integrated
compositing desktop. My opinion is that it is polished and attractive.
Your opinion is obviously different so:

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http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde4-guide.xml

KDE 3 Removal

Currently KDE 3.5.10 is masked for all architectures, as it is being
removed from Portage.

The KDE team has been cleaning up the various KDE 3 applications by
removing them from the tree, as they are too old, broken and
unmaintained, and by dropping arts support (with major help from
Media/Video teams). When this task is finished, we are going to drop
arts from base KDE 3 as well.

While using KDE 3 is not recommended due to security and bug concerns,
if you must install it, you can find it in the kde-sunset overlay.

================================================================

The kde-sunset overlay will be community maintained, I guess.

I wish to thank the KDE developers for their efforts. I've used KDE for
years now and KDE4 will assure my loyalty for some time to come.

I wish to thank the KDE developers for their efforts. I've used KDE for
years now and KDE4 will assure my loyalty for some time to come.

Maybe you can tell me how I can do the following:

1) Have icons on my desktop without them also being in a window.

2) Prevent konsole from storing/restoring screen sizes. I want all new
windows to be the same size, not the size of the last window I closed.

3) Have large toolbar on bottom of screen, and a smaller one for smaller
launcher icons immediately above it