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| Mark Kent |
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begin oe_protect.scr
Tom Shelton <tom@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLmtogden.com> espoused:
<snip bit about trying to blame drivers for XP problems>
Will you please stop nymshifting.
*plonk*.
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| Mark Kent -- mark at ellandroad dot demon dot co dot uk |
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| Tom Shelton |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:39 am |
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On 2005-06-11, Sinister Midget <sinister@stinkfoot.biz> wrote:
Quote: begin KillFileMe.vbs
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 at 21:30 GMT, quoth Mart van de Wege <mvdwege.usenet@wanadoo.nl>:
Tom Shelton <tom@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLmtogden.com> writes:
In article <87k6l2dbt4.fsf@angua.ankh-morpork.lan>, Mart van de Wege wrote:
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The problem is that, for the zillionth time, a bug has popped in IE
where the programmers didn't check their input, allowing IE to request
a too large amount of memory. The attempt to display a large image may
trigger other problems in the video driver causing a BSOD, but the
faulty component is most certainly IE, and therefore the Operating
System itself.
Mart
Except Mart... It doesn't matter if your using IE or not. It occurs
just as readily in FireFox as well. Unless your saying that FireFox has
the same bug?
Quite possible. The original posts here made as if it was an IE flaw,
and IE has a history of flaws stemming from incomplete or missing
input validation.
I'd agree that if the Firefox devs made the same mistake that would
have been dumb as well.
I've only seen reports of a problem with Firefox while running it on
WinDOS. Has anyone reported it crashing while on linux? I know mine
didn't.
Exactly... It only happens on windows. And of course, that was what I
meant. I never was claiming that this happend on Linux.
Quote: That might mean the faulty component is the same faulty component IE
runs on: Winders.
Video driver. Everything on the system uses it. What else do IE and FF
have in common?
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| Tom Shelton |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:49 am |
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On 2005-06-11, Linønut <linønut@bone.com> wrote:
Quote: Tom Shelton poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
Except Mart... It doesn't matter if your using IE or not. It occurs
just as readily in FireFox as well. Unless your saying that FireFox has
the same bug?
Or is using the same DLL that exhibits the bug?
The error code was a driver fault. I'm sure that both FF and IE use the
windows GDI to render the image. GDI is usually implemented in the
drivers and hardware of your specific video card - which run in kernel
space, and a fault there brings down the system.
I have too boxes running nVidia's latest, and they don't crash. Yes,
they thrash and become essentially unusable for a period of a couple of
minutes - but once that' over with, as long as I don't try and scroll
the image (otherwise, the thrashing begins again for 30 or 40 seconds) -
I can simply close IE/FF and all is well. I should try it on this box,
but I haven't booted it into windows for a couple of days. Next time I
do I will - it is also an nVidia card, but it running older drivers I
believe.
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| Roy Culley |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 5:14 am |
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begin risky.vbs
<d8egbi$2cqf$1@bdhi.net>,
Black Dragon <bd@thedragons.lair> writes:
Quote:
Mark's Kunt wrote:
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| Sinister Midget |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:15 am |
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begin KillFileMe.vbs
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 at 07:39 GMT, quoth Tom Shelton <tshelton@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLcomcast.net>:
Quote: On 2005-06-11, Sinister Midget <sinister@stinkfoot.biz> wrote:
begin KillFileMe.vbs
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 at 21:30 GMT, quoth Mart van de Wege <mvdwege.usenet@wanadoo.nl>:
Tom Shelton <tom@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLmtogden.com> writes:
In article <87k6l2dbt4.fsf@angua.ankh-morpork.lan>, Mart van de Wege wrote:
snip
The problem is that, for the zillionth time, a bug has popped in IE
where the programmers didn't check their input, allowing IE to request
a too large amount of memory. The attempt to display a large image may
trigger other problems in the video driver causing a BSOD, but the
faulty component is most certainly IE, and therefore the Operating
System itself.
Mart
Except Mart... It doesn't matter if your using IE or not. It occurs
just as readily in FireFox as well. Unless your saying that FireFox has
the same bug?
Quite possible. The original posts here made as if it was an IE flaw,
and IE has a history of flaws stemming from incomplete or missing
input validation.
I'd agree that if the Firefox devs made the same mistake that would
have been dumb as well.
I've only seen reports of a problem with Firefox while running it on
WinDOS. Has anyone reported it crashing while on linux? I know mine
didn't.
Exactly... It only happens on windows. And of course, that was what I
meant. I never was claiming that this happend on Linux.
I wasn't trying to make a point or to question anyone's tets or claims.
I sincerely didn't see anyone say anything about it happening on linux
and was curious if I'd maybe missed something.
Quote: That might mean the faulty component is the same faulty component IE
runs on: Winders.
Video driver. Everything on the system uses it. What else do IE and FF
have in common?
WIN98
WINNT
WIN2000
WINME
WINXP
I have no idea what other underlying components are shared. But I have
to question the notion that *nothing* other than video driver is used
by both.
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| Tom Shelton |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:20 am |
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On 2005-06-11, Sinister Midget <sinister@stinkfoot.biz> wrote:
Quote: begin KillFileMe.vbs
On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 at 07:39 GMT, quoth Tom Shelton <tshelton@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLcomcast.net>:
On 2005-06-11, Sinister Midget <sinister@stinkfoot.biz> wrote:
begin KillFileMe.vbs
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 at 21:30 GMT, quoth Mart van de Wege <mvdwege.usenet@wanadoo.nl>:
Tom Shelton <tom@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLmtogden.com> writes:
In article <87k6l2dbt4.fsf@angua.ankh-morpork.lan>, Mart van de Wege wrote:
snip
The problem is that, for the zillionth time, a bug has popped in IE
where the programmers didn't check their input, allowing IE to request
a too large amount of memory. The attempt to display a large image may
trigger other problems in the video driver causing a BSOD, but the
faulty component is most certainly IE, and therefore the Operating
System itself.
Mart
Except Mart... It doesn't matter if your using IE or not. It occurs
just as readily in FireFox as well. Unless your saying that FireFox has
the same bug?
Quite possible. The original posts here made as if it was an IE flaw,
and IE has a history of flaws stemming from incomplete or missing
input validation.
I'd agree that if the Firefox devs made the same mistake that would
have been dumb as well.
I've only seen reports of a problem with Firefox while running it on
WinDOS. Has anyone reported it crashing while on linux? I know mine
didn't.
Exactly... It only happens on windows. And of course, that was what I
meant. I never was claiming that this happend on Linux.
I wasn't trying to make a point or to question anyone's tets or claims.
I sincerely didn't see anyone say anything about it happening on linux
and was curious if I'd maybe missed something.
That might mean the faulty component is the same faulty component IE
runs on: Winders.
Video driver. Everything on the system uses it. What else do IE and FF
have in common?
WIN98
WINNT
WIN2000
WINME
WINXP
I have no idea what other underlying components are shared. But I have
to question the notion that *nothing* other than video driver is used
by both.
Obviously, there is much more that is shared. But, I base the
assumption on the fact that the error report indicated a fault in the
video driver. And since, this occurs while trying to scale an image -
it is making calls into windows GDI, which in turn calls into the video
driver.
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| Linønut |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:22 am |
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Black Dragon poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
^^^^----------- that's not nice
Quote: Will you please stop nymshifting.
*plonk*.
When faced once again with cold hard facts, Kent gets out his plonker.
What a tosser! lol
Look who chirps up to render us his outstanding insights into Linux
advocacy -- Puff-butt the Magic Dragon |
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| Linønut |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:23 am |
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Tom Shelton poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
Quote: Video driver. Everything on the system uses it. What else do IE and FF
have in common?
Other Microsoft DLLs.
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| Brandon J. Van Every |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:31 am |
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It is really beginning to bother me.
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| molloc |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:38 pm |
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on June 11, 1:31 pm Brandon J. Van Every wrote:
Quote: It is really beginning to bother me.
Technical difficulties. Please check back in a few days.
- Brandon Van Every, March 30, 2004
http://www.indiegamedesign.com/ |
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| Floyd Turbo |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:42 pm |
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Depends on what you mean by 'habdle'.
"Peter Köhlmann" <Peter.Koehlmann@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:d88rbv$38m$01$1@news.t-online.com...
Quote: Try this with XP (all patched)
HTML
BODY
IMG SRC="./sweetydead.jpg" width="9999999" height="9999999"
/BODY
/HTML
The image does not need to be that large, a very small one is sufficient
Just the /declaration/ of the size is enough to trigger the bug
Save your data before. The machine will BSOD
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| S.Heenan |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:35 pm |
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Linønut wrote:
Quote: Tom Shelton poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
Video driver. Everything on the system uses it. What else do IE and FF
have in common?
Other Microsoft DLLs.
Name one Microsoft dll which Firefox uses. |
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| Peter Köhlmann |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:41 pm |
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begin virus.txt.scr Floyd Turbo wrote:
Quote: Depends on what you mean by 'habdle'.
Depends on your smarts to detect a typo.
Yours obviously isn't sufficient
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| Peter Köhlmann |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:56 pm |
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begin virus.txt.scr S.Heenan wrote:
Quote: Linønut wrote:
Tom Shelton poked his little head through the XP firewall and said:
Video driver. Everything on the system uses it. What else do IE and FF
have in common?
Other Microsoft DLLs.
Name one Microsoft dll which Firefox uses.
Lets start with commdlg.dll. Or mmsystem.dll. Or msvideo.dll
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| S.Heenan |
| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:45 pm |
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Peter Köhlmann wrote:
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Lets start with commdlg.dll. Or mmsystem.dll. Or msvideo.dll
Odd, how when all are renamed, Firefox still functions, without error.
Try again, pIk. |
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