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Tsun Szu
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:03 am
Guest
I am changing my OS for my 15 networked PCs in my office from Windows to
Linux. I have already installed 5 PCs with RH9.0 in the Celeron PCs. They
are running fine although a bit slower than when they were running Win98se.
They can all access the Internet by way of a router-modem D-Link DSL-500G. I
have 10 PCs which are Celeron 700mhz with 256megs and 5PCs which are
Pentium2s with 64megs. It is the Pentium2s which are troubling me. Which
older version of Linux distros would be suitable to be installed in these
Pentium2s. Will the old Mandrake 6.0 be suitable? I suppose RH9.0 will not
run in these Pentium2s, or am I wrong about this? The main objective is that
all 15PC must be networked and be able to access the internet by way of the
router-modem.
 
Bill Marcum
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:16 am
Guest
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.setup.]
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:03:17 +0800, Tsun Szu
<bentay@streamyx.com> wrote:
Quote:
I am changing my OS for my 15 networked PCs in my office from Windows to
Linux. I have already installed 5 PCs with RH9.0 in the Celeron PCs. They
are running fine although a bit slower than when they were running Win98se.
They can all access the Internet by way of a router-modem D-Link DSL-500G. I
have 10 PCs which are Celeron 700mhz with 256megs and 5PCs which are
Pentium2s with 64megs. It is the Pentium2s which are troubling me. Which
older version of Linux distros would be suitable to be installed in these
Pentium2s. Will the old Mandrake 6.0 be suitable? I suppose RH9.0 will not
run in these Pentium2s, or am I wrong about this? The main objective is that
all 15PC must be networked and be able to access the internet by way of the
router-modem.

You don't need to use an old distro, just do a custom installation with

only the applications you need, using text mode or a lightweight
window manager, not Gnome or KDE.

--
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-- Douglas Hofstadter
 
de Palo Andrea
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:23 am
Guest
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:03:17 +0800, Tsun Szu or one of his clones wrote:

Quote:
It is the Pentium2s which are troubling me. Which
older version of Linux distros would be suitable to be installed in these
Pentium2s.

Install Debian Sarge through netinstall (iso is about 30 MB). Use XFFCE4
as desktop environment. I have a P2 with Sarge and Xfce4 and it run
smoothly.
Also VectorLinux is known to be good with old pc.
Best regards, Andrea.

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Michael Heiming
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 2:37 am
Guest
In comp.os.linux.setup Tsun Szu <bentay@streamyx.com>:
Quote:
I am changing my OS for my 15 networked PCs in my office from Windows to
Linux. I have already installed 5 PCs with RH9.0 in the Celeron PCs. They

Please, please don't install EOL distro like RH 9. Use FC3, RH
enterprise or one of the available clones, centOS or so if you
like/want rh.

Quote:
are running fine although a bit slower than when they were running Win98se.
They can all access the Internet by way of a router-modem D-Link DSL-500G. I
have 10 PCs which are Celeron 700mhz with 256megs and 5PCs which are
Pentium2s with 64megs. It is the Pentium2s which are troubling me. Which
older version of Linux distros would be suitable to be installed in these
Pentium2s. Will the old Mandrake 6.0 be suitable? I suppose RH9.0 will not
run in these Pentium2s, or am I wrong about this? The main objective is that
all 15PC must be networked and be able to access the internet by way of the
router-modem.

The problem is usually KDE (3) which uses quite some memory, I'd
suggest Debian (sarge) on those systems, 64MB might be not enough
to run KDE 3 comfortable, but it's worth a try and you can install
a lighter wm like fvwm2 or so if it doesn't work out. IMHO Debian
outperforms other distro easily on the same hardware.

Another good idea would be http://www.ltsp.org/ one server with a
little RAM (512MB - 2GB) this would make pretty good thin clients
out of your systems.

Good luck

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Nico Kadel-Garcia
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:51 am
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"Michael Heiming" <michael+USENET@www.heiming.de> wrote in message
news:fa7ah2-6di.ln1@news.heiming.de...
Quote:
In comp.os.linux.setup Tsun Szu <bentay@streamyx.com>:
I am changing my OS for my 15 networked PCs in my office from Windows to
Linux. I have already installed 5 PCs with RH9.0 in the Celeron PCs.
They

Please, please don't install EOL distro like RH 9. Use FC3, RH
enterprise or one of the available clones, centOS or so if you
like/want rh.

FC3 is way, way too heavyweight for less than 1.0 GHz machines expected to
run things like OpenOffice or web browsers. I'd use Centos, the free rebuild
of RedHat Enterprise Linux, and use version 3.


Quote:
The problem is usually KDE (3) which uses quite some memory, I'd
suggest Debian (sarge) on those systems, 64MB might be not enough
to run KDE 3 comfortable, but it's worth a try and you can install
a lighter wm like fvwm2 or so if it doesn't work out. IMHO Debian
outperforms other distro easily on the same hardware.

Another good idea would be http://www.ltsp.org/ one server with a
little RAM (512MB - 2GB) this would make pretty good thin clients
out of your systems.

I'd suggest throwing out KDE and GNOME and using fvwn95, which is a vastly
lighter weight window manager.
 
Jean-David Beyer
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 8:59 am
Guest
Tsun Szu wrote:
Quote:
I am changing my OS for my 15 networked PCs in my office from Windows
to Linux. I have already installed 5 PCs with RH9.0 in the Celeron PCs.
They are running fine although a bit slower than when they were running
Win98se.

I used to run RHL9 on a PC with 256Megabytes RAM and a Pentium 160MHz
processor. It was very slow with GNOME/whatever. When it had only 64Meg
RAM, it paged so much it was almost unuseable when running X and GNOME.
128 Meg RAM is, IMAO, the absolute minimum if you are going to run X and
GNOME.

You better have a really good reason for running an obsolete distribution
like RHL9, since Red Hat have discontinued it a year or more ago and you
will not be getting updates, especially the security-related ones. You
should really use something more up to date. If you like Red Hat, consider
using Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 if you are a serious (profit-making)
business, or Fedora Core 3 (or whatever the latest one is) if this is more
of a hobby.

Quote:
They can all access the Internet by way of a router-modem D-Link
DSL-500G. I have 10 PCs which are Celeron 700mhz with 256megs and 5PCs
which are Pentium2s with 64megs. It is the Pentium2s which are
troubling me. Which older version of Linux distros would be suitable to
be installed in these Pentium2s. Will the old Mandrake 6.0 be suitable?
I suppose RH9.0 will not run in these Pentium2s, or am I wrong about
this? The main objective is that all 15PC must be networked and be able
to access the internet by way of the router-modem.

The problem you are likely to have with the Pentium-IIs is that they do

not have enough memory for a windowing system. You should surely double
the memory to 128 Meg (or more). Depending on their speed, that may bug
you as well, but if Windows was fast enough, probably Linux would be as well.

The thing to watch out for is that when installing Linux, you might wish
to use the option where you can pick and choose what gets loaded, and what
daemons run. You should surely load no more than what you need, and run no
unnecessary daemons.

The only reason I run RHL9 on one of my machines is that when I tried to
run Fedora Core 2, I could not get it to run as a print server for my
network, and RHL7.3 and RHL9 did work. Similarly, I could not get my
ordinary SoundBlaster (ISA) card to work, when it did on RHL7.3 and RHL9.
So I gave up on Fedora. That machine spends most of its time running
BOINC, and Windows XP Home once in a while, and my main machine firewalls
it so security issues are less important for it.

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Michael Heiming
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:30 am
Guest
In comp.os.linux.setup Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net>:

Quote:
"Michael Heiming" <michael+USENET@www.heiming.de> wrote in message
news:fa7ah2-6di.ln1@news.heiming.de...
In comp.os.linux.setup Tsun Szu <bentay@streamyx.com>:
I am changing my OS for my 15 networked PCs in my office from Windows to
Linux. I have already installed 5 PCs with RH9.0 in the Celeron PCs.
They

Please, please don't install EOL distro like RH 9. Use FC3, RH
enterprise or one of the available clones, centOS or so if you
like/want rh.

FC3 is way, way too heavyweight for less than 1.0 GHz machines expected to
run things like OpenOffice or web browsers. I'd use Centos, the free rebuild
of RedHat Enterprise Linux, and use version 3.

The problem is usually KDE (3) which uses quite some memory, I'd
suggest Debian (sarge) on those systems, 64MB might be not enough
to run KDE 3 comfortable, but it's worth a try and you can install
a lighter wm like fvwm2 or so if it doesn't work out. IMHO Debian
outperforms other distro easily on the same hardware.

Another good idea would be http://www.ltsp.org/ one server with a
little RAM (512MB - 2GB) this would make pretty good thin clients
out of your systems.

I'd suggest throwing out KDE and GNOME and using fvwn95, which is a vastly
lighter weight window manager.

Remains beyond me, why you exactly recapitulate the things I
already addressed, using a different (lightweight) wm. Where, if
any is the point behind your contribution?

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Jean-David Beyer
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:47 am
Guest
Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote (in part):

Quote:
I'd suggest throwing out KDE and GNOME and using fvwn95, which is a
vastly lighter weight window manager.

If that is anything like fvwm that came with Red Hat Linux 5.0, it is much

too unfriendly for a new user, especially one coming from the Windows
culture. I do not happen to like KDE, but I recognize this is a religious
matter. GNOME with Enlightment, Sawfish, or metacity fit just fine in a
machine with 128Megabytes RAM. It does not swap with Red Hat Linux 9
(though I DO NOT recommend starting with an obsolete distribution).


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Jules
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:47 am
Guest
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:03:17 +0800, Tsun Szu wrote:

Quote:
I am changing my OS for my 15 networked PCs in my office from Windows to
Linux. I have already installed 5 PCs with RH9.0 in the Celeron PCs. They
are running fine although a bit slower than when they were running Win98se.

RH/Fedora is always going to be slow and bloated (out of the box) except
on very new hardware IMHO. It's not a good choice for old hardware.

Something like Debian (never tried but heard lots of good things about),
or Slackware would seem like a nicer choice.

Steer clear of Gnome or KDE too; they both eat memory something rotten.
Lighter window managers as suggested by others are a much better bet.

What apps do you need to run?

Quote:
suppose RH9.0 will not run in these Pentium2s, or am I wrong about this?

I ran it on a P2 machine for a bit, but only as a server, never as a
desktop machine.

Quote:
The main objective is that all 15PC must be networked and be able to
access the internet by way of the router-modem.

Thin clients with apps served from one big server as someone else
mentioned might be the best way to go there... depending on how much your
time is costing to do the set up versus cost for an extra 64MB of RAM for
each of the P2 machines, of course!

cheers

Jules
 
Jean-David Beyer
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:30 am
Guest
Jules wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:03:17 +0800, Tsun Szu wrote:


I am changing my OS for my 15 networked PCs in my office from Windows to
Linux. I have already installed 5 PCs with RH9.0 in the Celeron PCs. They
are running fine although a bit slower than when they were running Win98se.


RH/Fedora is always going to be slow and bloated (out of the box) except
on very new hardware IMHO. It's not a good choice for old hardware.

Something like Debian (never tried but heard lots of good things about),
or Slackware would seem like a nicer choice.

Steer clear of Gnome or KDE too; they both eat memory something rotten.
Lighter window managers as suggested by others are a much better bet.

On this machine with an LCD display, I get:

PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM CTIME COMMAND
30987 root 15 0 38944 29M 6484 S 2.9 0.7 20:53 X
11274 jdbeyer 15 0 7164 7164 5784 S 0.0 0.1 0:11 metacity

On my smaller machine with a CRT display, I get:
PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM CTIME COMMAND
1075 root 15 0 30552 9036 1088 S 0.2 1.7 16:46 X
25949 jdbeyer 18 0 5964 5964 4296 S 0.0 1.1 0:00 metacity

I think an RSS of 15Megabytes is not all that bad for a windowing system.
On the first machine are 4096GBytes RAM. I am not sure if a lot of X would
get paged out if I were running with a smaller RAM.


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jonsoons
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:34 am
Guest
I had to set up some Pentium 200MHz with 64M for the Salvation Army. I
did a hard drive install of Damn Small Linux from the live CD at
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org
It comes with firefox as well as a bunch of office tools and the
fluxbox window manager. It seems to run adequately without using swap
space. Oh, and it's a 5 - 8 minute install.
 
Jim Dell
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 9:02 pm
Guest
Tsun Szu wrote:

Quote:
I am changing my OS for my 15 networked PCs in my office from Windows to
Linux. I have already installed 5 PCs with RH9.0 in the Celeron PCs. They
are running fine although a bit slower than when they were running Win98se.
They can all access the Internet by way of a router-modem D-Link DSL-500G. I
have 10 PCs which are Celeron 700mhz with 256megs and 5PCs which are
Pentium2s with 64megs. It is the Pentium2s which are troubling me. Which
older version of Linux distros would be suitable to be installed in these
Pentium2s. Will the old Mandrake 6.0 be suitable? I suppose RH9.0 will not
run in these Pentium2s, or am I wrong about this? The main objective is that
all 15PC must be networked and be able to access the internet by way of the
router-modem.


I am using Slackware 9 on an old 486 with 20MB. But it is command line.

Playing around I even had it running a Apache web server.

Besides Linux what else do you need to run and in what mode?

Accessing the Internet is easy but with what? A browser like Firefox or
the regular command line Linux utilities.

Jim
 
Mark Hobley
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 10:08 pm
Guest
Tsun Szu <bentay@streamyx.com> wrote:
Quote:
It is the Pentium2s which are troubling me. Which
older version of Linux distros would be suitable to be installed in these
Pentium2s.

Use Debian on all machines !

I use Debian Sarge on my entire network, which has machines ranging from
Pentium 100 through to AMD XP machines.

Regards,

Mark.

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Nico Kadel-Garcia
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:45 am
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"Michael Heiming" <michael+USENET@www.heiming.de> wrote in message
news:tgvah2-o3q.ln1@news.heiming.de...

Quote:
Remains beyond me, why you exactly recapitulate the things I
already addressed, using a different (lightweight) wm. Where, if
any is the point behind your contribution?

Well, I gave him a suggested minimum hardware for running FC3, which his
hardware clearly doesn't have and is why he shouldn't go to the FC3 you
suggested, suggested a lighter weight RedHat based alternative (Centos 3),
and suggested ways he could lighten it up by throwing out KDE and Gnome.
Hmm. Doesn't sound like recapitulating to *me*....
 
Michael Heiming
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 8:28 am
Guest
In comp.os.linux.setup Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@comcast.net>:

Quote:
"Michael Heiming" <michael+USENET@www.heiming.de> wrote in message
news:tgvah2-o3q.ln1@news.heiming.de...

Remains beyond me, why you exactly recapitulate the things I
already addressed, using a different (lightweight) wm. Where, if
any is the point behind your contribution?

Well, I gave him a suggested minimum hardware for running FC3, which his
hardware clearly doesn't have and is why he shouldn't go to the FC3 you
suggested, suggested a lighter weight RedHat based alternative (Centos 3),
and suggested ways he could lighten it up by throwing out KDE and Gnome.
Hmm. Doesn't sound like recapitulating to *me*....

Nothing I hadn't pointed out already despite suggesting to try
out FC3 in addition to RHEL/clones, due to the fact the OP's
Linux knowledge seems to be related to redhat.

FC3 should work fine with another wm. Can't acknowledge you'd
need at least a 1 GHz box running FC3 presuming KDE, works fine
here on a 800 MHz Athlon and even on a P-II 350 MHz. Sure the
Athlon has 512 MB memory the P-II 196 MB, Debian (sarge) flies on
the later one with KDE 3.2 and feels at least as fast as the
Athlon with 512 MB + FC3.

To sum it up, the OP needs more memory for any chance on an
usable KDE (3) environment.

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