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Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:15 pm

Guest

Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about using slack with
any netbooks? We have been thinking of buying one but we don't know
much about them.

Would you have to install from a flashkey? Netbooks don't have
DVD/CD drives, do they?

What about networking? Rogers.com advertises special usb network
keys that apparently use the cell network. Does slack recognize
that stuff? Has anybody actually worked with it?

mv flameage /dev/null

cordially, as always,

rm

Jurek...

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 3:15 pm

Guest

On Oct 19, 5:15 pm, r... at (no spam) LewPitcherIsGay.com wrote:

Quote:

I run Slack-13 on eeepc-901 and like it so far.

Jurek

barnabyh...

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:51 pm

Guest

Quote:

Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about using slack with
any netbooks? We have been thinking of buying one but we don't know
much about them.

Not really, not using them, screen size is too small and I'm already
half blind.

Quote:

Would you have to install from a flashkey? Netbooks don't have
DVD/CD drives, do they?

Install from flash key or external cd drive is recommended. Probably
easier than loop mounting an iso.

Quote:

What about networking? Rogers.com advertises special usb network
keys that apparently use the cell network. Does slack recognize
that stuff? Has anybody actually worked with it?

Why don't you just check if the built in chip of your favourite models
are supported and can be made to work, like you would in a laptop. Then
process of elimination.

barnabyh

Dan C...

Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:55 pm

Guest

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:15:46 +0000, rm trolled:

Quote:

Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about using slack with any
netbooks?

Just use your favorite Windoze, since you claim to prefer that, Win-boi.

Then, bugger off, troll.

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Jerry Peters...

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:42 am

Guest

Jurek <jureka at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

On Oct 19, 5:15 pm, r... at (no spam) LewPitcherIsGay.com wrote:
Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about using slack with
any netbooks? We have been thinking of buying one but we don't know
much about them.

Would you have to install from a flashkey? Netbooks don't have
DVD/CD drives, do they?

What about networking? Rogers.com advertises special usb network
keys that apparently use the cell network. Does slack recognize
that stuff? Has anybody actually worked with it?

mv flameage /dev/null

cordially, as always,

Hi,

I run Slack-13 on eeepc-901 and like it so far.

Highly customized Slack 12.1 on an Acer Aspire 1, using FVWM2.

Customizations are in /etc/rc.d scripts to speed up start & shutdown.

Great for travelling since it's light & rugged.

Jerry

Lew Pitcher...

Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:45 pm

Guest

On October 19, 2009 17:15, in alt.os.linux.slackware,
rm at (no spam) big.realtomargarino.ca (rm at (no spam) big.realtomargarino.ca) wrote:

Quote:

Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about using slack with
any netbooks?

Are you thinking of upgrading a Windows netbook, or replacing the Linux on a
Linux netbook. I suppose that there will be differences in capabilities,
and I suspect that Slackware will better fit on the Windows-class netbook
than the Linux-class netbook.

Quote:

We have been thinking of buying one but we don't know
much about them.

Would you have to install from a flashkey? Netbooks don't have
DVD/CD drives, do they?

Well, Linux netbooks typically have SSD for their internal storage, and USB
access for external storage. I suppose that you'd either have to install
via flashkey or from an external USB HD. Shouldn't be a problem.

Quote:

What about networking? Rogers.com advertises special usb network
keys that apparently use the cell network. Does slack recognize
that stuff? Has anybody actually worked with it?

I've done some research on those USB network devices; they are
mini-cellphones with a builtin modem. All the recommendations I've seen so
far (and this goes for Rogers' offering, as well as the ones from Telus and
Bell) is that you need Windows to set them up, but once they are
initialized, you can use them on any recent 2.6 Linux kernel

Quote:

mv flameage /dev/null

cordially, as always,

rm

Take care rm, and thanks for dropping the (now useless to you) justlinux.ca
fake email address. BTW, your headers looked funny, so I corrected them for
you.
--
Lew Pitcher

Master Codewright & JOAT-in-training | Registered Linux User #112576
http://pitcher.digitalfreehold.ca/ | GPG public key available by request
---------- Slackware - Because I know what I'm doing. ------

Peter Chant...

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:53 am

Guest

rm at (no spam) LewPitcherIsGay.com wrote:

Quote:

Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about using slack with
any netbooks? We have been thinking of buying one but we don't know
much about them.

Works fine an an eee 900. Using 12.2. Did a little tweeking, but not much
really.

--
http://www.petezilla.co.uk

Douglas Mayne...

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:48 pm

Guest

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:15:46 +0000, rm wrote:

Quote:

a nice netbook, with adequate keyboard and 1024x600 screen. Here is a
screenshot from an earlier thread:
http://www.xmission.com/~ddmayne/slackware/ss.2009-09-20.01.png

I notice that there is a so-called netbook remix for various Linux
distributions. AFAIK, this performs certain customizations for the
hardware. IME, it is not really necessary. So far, I have only found one
dialog box which is not properly displayed. YMMV. I think standard
Slackware would install just fine. IMO, the addition of the Gnome
interface is a nice addition to laptops/netbooks. That allows monitoring
battery, wireless, processor, etc. via the panels (see above screenshot).

The machine specs are as follows.
Weight: 2.5 lbs (approx)
CPU: Intel Atom N270
(1.6GHz max, singel core, hyperthreaded, with processor scaling)
RAM: 2G (a simple upgrade)
Hard Disk: 160G (magnetic)
Wired Network: 10/100 ethernet
Wireless Network: 802.11 b/g (Atheros chipset, firmware in standard kernel)
External connections: VGA, 3 x USB 2.0, SD Flash reader, Audio in/out
Also: built in touchpad, microphone, webcam.

All of the above devices work with Slackware 12.2. I am using a self
compiled kernel: 2.6.30.8. I only noticed one slight problem- the audio
output is a bit quiet. Like most netbooks, the Samsung NC10 has no optical
drive. The OS can be installed via standard USB or network methods. I
installed Slackware on an encrypted root partition using the initrd and
tools that I described here:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.os.linux.slackware/msg/68c1e3324df59d96

Another nice thing is that I have verified that the pm-utils package will
work with encrypted swap. That means that pm-hibernate works as expected.
The system will be restored upon reboot as long as the correct boot
parameter is given, i.e. resume=/dev/mapper/sda2 (in my case). The only
consideration is that the target swap device must be decrypted (via device
mapper) in the initrd phase. This allows resumption from a cold boot in 60
to 90 seconds. Resumption from simple suspend to RAM takes about 10 to 20
seconds.

IME, the battery life is on the order of 3 to 4 hours; although I haven't
specifically benchmarked the time to empty. In any case, battery life is
certainly less than 5 hours. Also, some keyboard mappings do not work, but
I haven't tried that hard to fix them because the features are generally
accessible using another method.

AFAICT, as of right now, most of the buzz in the netbook space is whether
netbooks based on ARM CPUs will be released before the end of the
year. The hope is that CPU could deliver 8 to 12 hour battery life. The
potential downside is that it could also offer less CPU power that Intel's
Atom. I was somewhat expecting a system based on the dual core Atom (i.e.
coresponding to the 330 desktop CPU). I haven't seen one yet.

In general, the small form factor is very appealing, but strictly
speaking you can get a more powerful laptop for the same amount of money
if size/weight/age considerations are eliminated. For example, older
Dells D610/D620 etc. will run VMWare acceptably. I don't think any of the
current crop of netbooks have the horsepower to do that.

--
Douglas Mayne

Murat D. Kadirov...

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:14 am

Guest

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 09:48:49PM -0600, Douglas Mayne wrote:

Quote:

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:15:46 +0000, rm wrote:

Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about using slack with
any netbooks? We have been thinking of buying one but we don't know
much about them.

Would you have to install from a flashkey? Netbooks don't have
DVD/CD drives, do they?

What about networking? Rogers.com advertises special usb network
keys that apparently use the cell network. Does slack recognize
that stuff? Has anybody actually worked with it?

mv flameage /dev/null

cordially, as always,

rm

I installed Slackware 12.2 + Dropline Gnome 2.26 on a Samsung NC10. It is
a nice netbook, with adequate keyboard and 1024x600 screen. Here is a
screenshot from an earlier thread:
http://www.xmission.com/~ddmayne/slackware/ss.2009-09-20.01.png

Nice wallpaper. Can you upload it somewhere?

Douglas Mayne...

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:32 am

Guest

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:14:05 +0600, Murat D. Kadirov wrote:

Quote:

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 09:48:49PM -0600, Douglas Mayne wrote:
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:15:46 +0000, rm wrote:

Does anyone have anything good or bad to say about using slack with
any netbooks? We have been thinking of buying one but we don't know
much about them.

Would you have to install from a flashkey? Netbooks don't have
DVD/CD drives, do they?

What about networking? Rogers.com advertises special usb network
keys that apparently use the cell network. Does slack recognize
that stuff? Has anybody actually worked with it?

mv flameage /dev/null

cordially, as always,

rm

I installed Slackware 12.2 + Dropline Gnome 2.26 on a Samsung NC10. It is
a nice netbook, with adequate keyboard and 1024x600 screen. Here is a
screenshot from an earlier thread:
http://www.xmission.com/~ddmayne/slackware/ss.2009-09-20.01.png

Nice wallpaper. Can you upload it somewhere?

That image is "stolen" from Fedora 11.

http://mirrors.xmission.com/fedora/releases/11/Fedora/i386/os/Packages/
leonidas-backgrounds-common-11.0.0-1.fc11.noarch.rpm

The rpm contains versions of the image setup for various screen aspect
ratios: 2048x1536, 1280x1024, 1920x1200

I applied a Slackware "decal" that I made using the Gimp. Here is a
similar wallpaper, sized for the netbook's screen:
http://www.xmission.com/~ddmayne/slackware/leonidas-1-noon.mod.1024x600.jpg

Here is the "decal":
I made: http://www.xmission.com/~ddmayne/slackware/slackware-sine.png

--
Douglas Mayne

Sylvain Robitaille...

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:47 pm

Guest

On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 07:53:50 +0100, Peter Chant wrote:

Quote:

Works fine an an eee 900. Using 12.2. Did a little tweeking, but not
much really.

Are you able to get all the hardware components working? I have an
EeePC700 (I can't believe it's been a couple of years already) that I've
left so far with the stock (Xandros Linux) OS (plus patches when they're
available) because I'm not sure I'll know how to get all the hardware
working with a personal installation. I'd much prefer to run Slackware
on it, though.

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Sylvain Robitaille syl at (no spam) encs.concordia.ca

Systems analyst / AITS Concordia University
Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:15 pm

Guest

Douglas Mayne <doug at (no spam) localhost.localnet> :

[good stuff, omitted for space][

Quote:

In general, the small form factor is very appealing, but strictly
speaking you can get a more powerful laptop for the same amount of money
if size/weight/age considerations are eliminated. For example, older
Dells D610/D620 etc. will run VMWare acceptably. I don't think any of the
current crop of netbooks have the horsepower to do that.

Thanks for the article. I too am leaning towards a "real" notebook,
because the blackberry is enough in an emergency...but sometimes the
blackberry is just too damned small...

cordially, as always,

rm

Peter Chant...

Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:56 am

Guest

Sylvain Robitaille wrote:

Quote:

I think I upgraded the kernel, the lan, wifi and I think sound chipsets were
all very new stuff that was not in the default kernel iirc.

Pete

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http://www.petezilla.co.uk

Sylvain Robitaille...

Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:24 am

Guest

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:56:34 +0000, Peter Chant wrote:

Quote:

I think I upgraded the kernel, the lan, wifi and I think sound
chipsets were all very new stuff that was not in the default kernel
iirc.

Ok, so Slackware with an upgraded kernel on the EeePC is good to go,
then? I have a large SD card that I think I'm going to try installing
Slackware-13.0 on to try booting the EeePC from. Am I aiming for
disappointment, or should it be reasonably doable? Otherwise, I suppose
an external hard drive, connected to the EeePC via USB might be just
as good? The idea here is to get this working to my liking before
contemplating replacing the original Xandros OS ...

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Sylvain Robitaille syl at (no spam) encs.concordia.ca

Systems analyst / AITS Concordia University
Faculty of Engineering and Computer Science Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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Eric Hameleers...

Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:31 pm

Guest

Sylvain Robitaille schreef:

Quote:

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:56:34 +0000, Peter Chant wrote:

I think I upgraded the kernel, the lan, wifi and I think sound
chipsets were all very new stuff that was not in the default kernel
iirc.

Ok, so Slackware with an upgraded kernel on the EeePC is good to go,
then? I have a large SD card that I think I'm going to try installing
Slackware-13.0 on to try booting the EeePC from. Am I aiming for
disappointment, or should it be reasonably doable? Otherwise, I suppose
an external hard drive, connected to the EeePC via USB might be just
as good? The idea here is to get this working to my liking before
contemplating replacing the original Xandros OS ...

I have Slackware 13.0 running on my own EeePC 1000HA - and all the
hardware is supported out of the box.
I have made an acpi-scripts Slackware package that enables some of the
buttons on the laptop.

If you have an EeePC 700 then my LXDE packages may be of use to you -
LXDE is a lightweight desktop environment with optionally an interface
that resembles the simple (but nice IMO) Xandros interface.

Eric

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