On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:54:25 -0600
Will Honea <whonea at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

but I'm seeing too
much bloat in both KDE and Gnome without the flexibility so m looking
for a simpler way to go without losing the features.

I would start by installing every desktop/window manager that openSUSE
offers and check each one out. Find the ones that seem 'natural' to you
and have the required features. Then let some of your clients check it
out, see which one they liked.

We did that with Ubuntu/Kubuntu when we were switching over a client
from Windows to Linux about three years ago. We upgraded two of their
machines, one with Ubuntu (GNOME) and one with Kubuntu (KDE) and let
them use them for several weeks. They settled on Kubuntu.

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:06:00 +0200
DenverD <spam.trap at (no spam) SOMEwhere.dk> wrote:

That way I only need to type jau8GFeas+#j0 and I am in.

you forgot to give us your dotted quad ;-)


houghi.org has address 87.238.162.43

Another couple of questions, if you don't mind.

How do you manage fonts in Windowmaker. The only solution manipulating
fonts is to use something like Gnome's control center.

How do you control your wired and wireless network under Windowmaker.

At least I've got pYneighborhood working this time

I would start by installing every desktop/window manager that openSUSE
offers and check each one out. Find the ones that seem 'natural' to you
and have the required features. Then let some of your clients check it
out, see which one they liked.

We did that with Ubuntu/Kubuntu when we were switching over a client
from Windows to Linux about three years ago. We upgraded two of their
machines, one with Ubuntu (GNOME) and one with Kubuntu (KDE) and let
them use them for several weeks. They settled on Kubuntu.

That's where I'm headed but the major hangup is any change at all since they
most of the desktops are recent converts from Windows - mostly XP - and I'm
getting this "you want us to change AGAIN?" response.

My current
inclination is to leave 11.1/KDE3 in place for a year or so before fighting
the battle and then switching the desktop at the same time I upgrade the
os.

For a novice Linux user coming from Windows the change in appearance
alone is a problem. Is there anything out there to make KDE4 look and act
like KDE3? that might also be a possibility.

The font I was talking of are for the Windows stuff... toolbars,
File, edit... that stuff.

To me running a program is never desktop related. At least it never
should be.

I believe fvwm2 also has not changed its look very much.

Rick wrote:
Another couple of questions, if you don't mind.

No problem.

How do you manage fonts in Windowmaker. The only solution manipulating
fonts is to use something like Gnome's control center.

I don't. I just dump them in /usr/share/fonts and then run a script for
ImageMagick. That is however ImageMagick related and not desktop
related.

How do you control your wired and wireless network under Windowmaker.

Wired is easy. I plug in the wire and I have a connection. Just like I
would if I would start with KDE or GNOME or with `init 3` and is not
desktop related.
Wireless is not something I have. I have looked into it a little bit and
I would use the same tools as others would under GNOME or KDE. It is not
desktop related.

At least I've got pYneighborhood working this time :-)

I have no idea what that is. However I asume it is also not desktop
related.

For me Windowmaker, GNOME, KDE, IceWM, AnyOther, are just programs that
drop programs on my screen. The reason I don't like KDE and GNOME (and
Windows) is that they also drop icons on my screen. I also dislike the
taskbar idea.

I could turn KDE and GNOME into something I would like, but why all the
work if I have something that does what I like?

If I would like a taskbar, I would go for IceWM.

houghi

I'll have to take a look at ImageMagick. The font I was talking of are
for the Windows stuff... toolbars, File, edit... that stuff.

It is desktop related.

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 23:57:08 -0600
Will Honea <whonea at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

That's where I'm headed but the major hangup is any change at all
since they most of the desktops are recent converts from Windows -
mostly XP - and I'm getting this "you want us to change AGAIN?"
response.

Well, I would remind them that every time they upgraded Windows, they
had to re-learn many things -- I'm still hearing that complaint from
the Windows users I know.

With many Linux desktop/window managers, the
look and feel doesn't change very fast (except KDE and GNOME which I
believe are trying to hard to mimic their respective target markets of
Windows and Apple).

My current inclination is to leave 11.1/KDE3 in place for a
year or so before fighting the battle and then switching the desktop
at the same time I upgrade the os. For a novice Linux user coming
from Windows the change in appearance alone is a problem. Is there
anything out there to make KDE4 look and act like KDE3? that might
also be a possibility.


I don't use KDE4, will probably look at it again in another few months,
but I have heard people say (on this newsgroup) that they have it
looking pretty close to KDE 3.5.

XFCE might be your closest match. The latest screenshots (2005) on
xwinman.org seem to look close to WinXP.

My current inclination is to leave 11.1/KDE3 in place for a year or
so before fighting the battle and then switching the desktop at the
same time I upgrade the os.

To me running a program is never desktop related. At least it never
should be.

That is just my website. My real adress that I use is hackme.houghi.org
Try it out!

And they are right. The natural behaviour of people is "If it ain't
broke, don't fix it."