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Kevin Nathan...
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:50 pm
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:40:00 GMT
Vahis <waxborg at (no spam) gmail.com.invalid> wrote:

Quote:
On 2009-10-21, houghi <houghi at (no spam) houghi.org.invalid> wrote:
DenverD wrote:

And the carpet does not have to match the curtains. ;-)


They don't need to.
But I prefer it when there's carpet. I always have, dark carpets.

Good ol' days everybody had carpets.
They've been almost totally out of the picture for quite some time,
but I'm starting to see some sort of renaissance lately...


Seems like, around here, everyone has fully-carpetted floors. I prefer
hardwood floors (with area or throw rugs) everywhere except kitchen and
bathroom where I prefer stone floors. :-)

That's why I seem to prefer the lighter-weight DM/WMs like WindowMaker
and icewm; they are more hardwood and stone floors where KDE and GNOME
are a more uncomfortable, deep shag carpet... :-)

But that's why it is so good to have choice!


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Rick...
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:35 pm
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:27:29 +0200, houghi wrote:

Quote:
Rick wrote:
Are you able to get KDE apps and GTK/Gnomes apps to look the same or
share themes?

Never botherd to do that. Firefox looks a bit different then k3b and
gqview. However as they do differnt things, I do not realy care.

I asume that I could make the things all look alike, but openSUSE
already has done much of the work there. I do not care that they use
different icons for some things (if they do, I am not even sure).


houghi

Fair enough. I have figured out pyNeighborhood to mount shares. Is there
a way to mount things like USB drives and keys dynamically? .. stick one
in, and it shows in a file manager?

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Rick
 
DenverD...
Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:14 pm
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Quote:
I still think the Warp 4 desktop ... nothing else has come close.
agree...i wonder (if IBM would open source the code)

IIRC, that option has been rejected a number of times by IBM. Apparently,
there's licenced, propriatary IP in OS/2 (Workplace Desktop and all) that
would prevent it from being relicenced with a FOSS licence.

of course you are right...had forgotten...M$ has copyright notices
inside the executables [remember, IBM & M$ teamed together to develop
the superior OS, OS/2]

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houghi...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:31 am
Guest
Rick wrote:
Quote:
Fair enough. I have figured out pyNeighborhood to mount shares. Is there
a way to mount things like USB drives and keys dynamically? .. stick one
in, and it shows in a file manager?

I use `mc` as file manager and when I put in a USB drive, they show up
in /media

houghi
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America great. If America weren't incomparably ignorant, how could we
have tolerated the last eight years? -- Frank Zappa, in 1988
 
Will Honea...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:54 am
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DenverD wrote:

Quote:
I still think the Warp 4 desktop ... nothing else has come close.
agree...i wonder (if IBM would open source the code)

IIRC, that option has been rejected a number of times by IBM. Apparently,
there's licenced, propriatary IP in OS/2 (Workplace Desktop and all) that
would prevent it from being relicenced with a FOSS licence.

of course you are right...had forgotten...M$ has copyright notices
inside the executables [remember, IBM & M$ teamed together to develop
the superior OS, OS/2]

I haven't looked at the source files I have in several years but ISTR that
there was another outfit (not MS) that developed the WPS and still holds
the copyrights. FWIW, there are still customers paying for IBM support of
OS/2 which is why several updates never made it out to general users. I
just liked the whole framework - it was 100% object oriented which made
programming it a pleasure once you got past the learning curve. Anyway,
IBM blew its' chance so we go with what we've got now but I'm seeing too
much bloat in both KDE and Gnome without the flexibility so m looking for a
simpler way to go without losing the features. The organizations I work
with want to settle on working environment that can be upgraded w/o having
to train the staffs on an entire new way of doing things every couple of
years. If I could make KDE4 look and feel like KDE3 I would welcome the
improvements but there are too many changes to the "how do I ...?"
questions - not to mention what feels like an early beta.

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Rick...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:08 am
Guest
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:31:31 +0200, houghi wrote:

Quote:
Rick wrote:
Fair enough. I have figured out pyNeighborhood to mount shares. Is
there a way to mount things like USB drives and keys dynamically? ..
stick one in, and it shows in a file manager?

I use `mc` as file manager and when I put in a USB drive, they show up
in /media

houghi

OK. Thanks.
When you installed, did you install KDE, Gnome or other environment, and
then switch the window manager, or are you using Windowmaker standalone?



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Rick
 
J G Miller...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:22 am
Guest
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:07:26 +0200, houghi wrote:

Quote:
I use KDM and at the first login I select Windowmaker.

Any reason for not using the matching wdm?
 
houghi...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:05 am
Guest
Will Honea wrote:
Quote:
The organizations I work
with want to settle on working environment that can be upgraded w/o having
to train the staffs on an entire new way of doing things every couple of
years. If I could make KDE4 look and feel like KDE3 I would welcome the
improvements but there are too many changes to the "how do I ...?"
questions - not to mention what feels like an early beta.

Obviously there is SLED that has a lifespan of 5+2. Disadvantage is that
it is not free (as in beer) for updates. That would mean that you only
need to update every 5 years. About the time when new hardware needs to
be replaced.

OTOH you have the sourcecode, so you can put KDE 3.x in OBS and build to
your harts content. And then use Studio to make an installation CD for
each company. :-D

I could understand that non of these are an option. For a company, I
would seriously look at SLED. I have no idea about pricing and also no
idea what you provide as wervice. I could imagine that you take the
licence and get the updates and then let the customer download from your
site. You must obviously figure out how the pricing would need to be
done and contact Novell about ways on how to set this up in a financial
way.

I have no idea about their pricing structure and much will depend on
volume.

houghi
--
Let's not be too tough on our own ignorance. It's the thing that makes
America great. If America weren't incomparably ignorant, how could we
have tolerated the last eight years? -- Frank Zappa, in 1988
 
houghi...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:07 am
Guest
Rick wrote:
Quote:
When you installed, did you install KDE, Gnome or other environment, and
then switch the window manager, or are you using Windowmaker standalone?

I install KDE and GNOME as well as Windowmaker during the installation.
The reason is that it 'only' takes up HD space and I use GNOME and KDE
programs anyway.

I use KDM and at the first login I select Windowmaker.

houghi
--
Let's not be too tough on our own ignorance. It's the thing that makes
America great. If America weren't incomparably ignorant, how could we
have tolerated the last eight years? -- Frank Zappa, in 1988
 
houghi...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 8:39 am
Guest
J G Miller wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:07:26 +0200, houghi wrote:

I use KDM and at the first login I select Windowmaker.

Any reason for not using the matching wdm?

I have not tested wdm, but with kdm it is very easy to have the user
pre-selected. xdm and gdm are either not easy to do that or not able. I
have not realy looked into it as kdm does what I want.
1) user houghi is selected
2) cursor is at the password

That way I only need to type jau8GFeas+#j0 and I am in.

Concerning kdm: with kdm auto-login is also possible. Perhaps the issues
I have with Studio and Windowmaker where it is xdm (I think) with
autologin there is no keyboard-usage. Could be that kdm would be able to
use the keyboard.

houghi
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America great. If America weren't incomparably ignorant, how could we
have tolerated the last eight years? -- Frank Zappa, in 1988
 
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:44 am
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In <4adfea26$0$56769$edfadb0f at (no spam) dtext02.news.tele.dk>, on 10/22/2009
at 07:14 AM, DenverD <spam.trap at (no spam) SOMEwhere.dk> said:

Quote:
of course you are right...had forgotten...M$ has copyright notices inside
the executables [remember, IBM & M$ teamed together to develop the
superior OS, OS/2]

I believe that the m$ code is in PM rather than in WPS, but that IBM is
not willing to open source even the parts that are not legally encumbered.

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DenverD...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:06 am
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Quote:
That way I only need to type jau8GFeas+#j0 and I am in.

you forgot to give us your dotted quad ;-)

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KDE 3.5.7 "release 72-11", openSUSE Linux 10.3, 2.6.22.19-0.4-default
#1 SMP i686 athlon
 
Rick...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:59 pm
Guest
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:07:26 +0200, houghi wrote:

Quote:
Rick wrote:
When you installed, did you install KDE, Gnome or other environment,
and then switch the window manager, or are you using Windowmaker
standalone?

I install KDE and GNOME as well as Windowmaker during the installation.
The reason is that it 'only' takes up HD space and I use GNOME and KDE
programs anyway.

I use KDM and at the first login I select Windowmaker.

Thanks. I didn't something similar when I was using Windowmaker fairly

exclusively.

Another couple of questions, if you don't mind.

How do you manage fonts in Windowmaker. The only solution manipulating
fonts is to use something like Gnome's control center.

How do you control your wired and wireless network under Windowmaker.

At least I've got pYneighborhood working this time :-)

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Rick
 
Kevin Nathan...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:50 pm
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:06:00 +0200
DenverD <spam.trap at (no spam) SOMEwhere.dk> wrote:

Quote:
That way I only need to type jau8GFeas+#j0 and I am in.

you forgot to give us your dotted quad ;-)


houghi.org has address 87.238.162.43 :-D


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Open standards. Open source. Open minds.
The command line is the front line.
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Kevin Nathan...
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:58 pm
Guest
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 01:54:25 -0600
Will Honea <whonea at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
but I'm seeing too
much bloat in both KDE and Gnome without the flexibility so m looking
for a simpler way to go without losing the features.

I would start by installing every desktop/window manager that openSUSE
offers and check each one out. Find the ones that seem 'natural' to you
and have the required features. Then let some of your clients check it
out, see which one they liked.

We did that with Ubuntu/Kubuntu when we were switching over a client
from Windows to Linux about three years ago. We upgraded two of their
machines, one with Ubuntu (GNOME) and one with Kubuntu (KDE) and let
them use them for several weeks. They settled on Kubuntu.


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Linux Potpourri and a.o.l.s. FAQ -- (temporarily offline)

Open standards. Open source. Open minds.
The command line is the front line.
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