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Sidney Lambe...
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:23 pm
Guest
Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8 at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
Quote:
Sidney Lambe wrote:

Answer: Because you are a stinking, lying technocrat who wants Linux
runners to become ignorant appliance operators who are dependent
on you and others like you.

Almost time to invoke Godwin's Law.

Now that everyone knows how dishonest you are, it doesn't really
matter what you do.

The corporations are trying to take over Linux with the help of technocrats
like this fellow.

Their chief tools of conquest are windows-clone user interfaces like
KDE. These obscure the Linux operating system and you end up learning
KDE, not Linux, and they have you by the balls.

Don't let them do this to you. Learn the basics of how Linux works
and the shell, the command line. It isn't hard and it is very
interesting.

General:

http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html

http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2

http://www.linuxpackages.net/howto/slackfiles/books/slackware-basics/html/shell.
html

http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-who-where-and-what
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-man-command
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-directory-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-files-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-history-in-the-making
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-use-your-local-bin

----------------------------
Bash:

http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1052574.html
kind of odd "shell ninja" but lots of good info:
http://www.slideshare.net/brian_dailey/nyphp-march-2009-presentation
http://stat-www.berkeley.edu/classes/s243/bash.html
http://www.learnaboutlinux.net/blog/41-programming/50-bash-basics-1


Sid
 
Sidney Lambe...
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:41 pm
Guest
Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

[juvenile trolling deleted]

Nico here is one the technocrats who wants you to remain
ignorant of how Linux works so that you will be dependent
on him and others like him.

So they encourage the use of Windows-clone interfaces like
KDE and tell you, without ever saying it outright, that you
are too stupid to learn how to run Linux from the commandline.

They lie. Take some time to do a little studying and playing
with the commandline and you can break free of these corporate
pawns.

I run the X-Window system and can use any application that anyone
running KDE can, but I don't have KDE or anything like it.

General:

http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html

http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2

http://www.linuxpackages.net/howto/slackfiles/books/slackware-basics/html/shell.
html

http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-who-where-and-what
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-man-command
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-directory-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-files-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-history-in-the-making
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-use-your-local-bin

Bash Specific:

http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1052574.html
kind of odd "shell ninja" but lots of good info:
http://www.slideshare.net/brian_dailey/nyphp-march-2009-presentation
http://stat-www.berkeley.edu/classes/s243/bash.html
http://www.learnaboutlinux.net/blog/41-programming/50-bash-basics-1


Sid
 
...
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:41 pm
Guest
In alt.os.linux.redhat Allen Kistler <ackistler at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:
Quote:
I can't think of a way to do a floppy-based or USB-based installation
for RHEL. You could probably bootstrap into RHEL by starting with
another distro that does support floppies, if you have a floppy drive
and lots of floppy disks. Install that distro first, then use the
method David mentions to boot to the RHEL iso.

RHEL 5 supports the use of the /images/bootdisk.img, copied to a bootable
USB flash drive. Instructions in the RHEL install guide.

"To boot using a USB pen drive, use the dd command to copy the diskboot.img
image file from the /images/ directory on CD-ROM 1. For example:
dd if=diskboot.img of=/dev/sda
"

Other sources on the web explain how to perform the copy if you don't
already have dd.

--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
 
Johnny Rebel...
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:17 pm
Guest
Sidney Lambe wrote:
Quote:
Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

[juvenile trolling deleted]

Nico here is one the technocrats who wants you to remain
ignorant of how Linux works so that you will be dependent
on him and others like him.

So they encourage the use of Windows-clone interfaces like
KDE and tell you, without ever saying it outright, that you
are too stupid to learn how to run Linux from the commandline.

They lie. Take some time to do a little studying and playing
with the commandline and you can break free of these corporate
pawns.

I run the X-Window system and can use any application that anyone
running KDE can, but I don't have KDE or anything like it.

General:

http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html

http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2

http://www.linuxpackages.net/howto/slackfiles/books/slackware-basics/html/shell.
html

http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-who-where-and-what
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-man-command
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-directory-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-files-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-history-in-the-making
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-use-your-local-bin

Bash Specific:

http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1052574.html
kind of odd "shell ninja" but lots of good info:
http://www.slideshare.net/brian_dailey/nyphp-march-2009-presentation
http://stat-www.berkeley.edu/classes/s243/bash.html
http://www.learnaboutlinux.net/blog/41-programming/50-bash-basics-1


Sid




Oh, so you have no problems using the KDE libraries then? I find that
surprising especially giving your rant about only using the CLI. Now
you are contradicting yourself.

JR.



--


--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.
 
Keith Keller...
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:07 pm
Guest
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.setup.]

On 2009-07-07, Johnny Rebel <rebel at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
Quote:
Sidney Lambe wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^

Oh, so you have no problems using the KDE libraries then? I find that
surprising especially giving your rant about only using the CLI. Now
you are contradicting yourself.

He is a *troll*! All he wants is for you to keep engaging him. If you
stop responding (or at least stop trying to find any sense in his posts)
perhaps he'll go away. (It is, sadly, still important to correct any
blatant misinformation he posts, so as not to mislead new readers who
may be unaware that he is a troll. This is why he posts so much
misinformation couched as verified fact.)

--keith

--
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(try just my userid to email me)
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see X- headers for PGP signature information
 
Nico Kadel-Garcia...
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:30 pm
Guest
On Jul 7, 7:41 pm, d... at (no spam) 01.usenet.us.com wrote:
Quote:
In alt.os.linux.redhat Allen Kistler <ackist... at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:

I can't think of a way to do a floppy-based or USB-based installation
for RHEL.  You could probably bootstrap into RHEL by starting with
another distro that does support floppies, if you have a floppy drive
and lots of floppy disks.  Install that distro first, then use the
method David mentions to boot to the RHEL iso.

RHEL 5 supports the use of the /images/bootdisk.img, copied to a bootable
USB flash drive.  Instructions in the RHEL install guide.

Yeah, I'm afraid that the kernel has gotten so burdened with funky
utilities required by various hardware, and the bare installation
utilities have grown so much, that one would be very, very hard
pressed indeed to stuff it in a floppy image. I used to do that: it
was a pain in the neck, especially because the 'initrd.img' was
actually an already gzip compressed file: it should have been named
'initrd.igz'.

Quote:
"To boot using a USB pen drive, use the dd command to copy the diskboot.img
image file from the /images/ directory on CD-ROM 1. For example:
dd if=diskboot.img of=/dev/sda
"

Other sources on the web explain how to perform the copy if you don't
already have dd.

Have you actually tried this? I've found booting from pen drives
problematic over the last 6 years or so, and hope it has improved.
 
Nico Kadel-Garcia...
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:32 pm
Guest
On Jul 8, 12:20 am, Allen Kistler <ackist... at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:
Quote:
d... at (no spam) 01.usenet.us.com wrote:
In alt.os.linux.redhat Allen Kistler <ackist... at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:
I can't think of a way to do a floppy-based or USB-based installation
for RHEL.  You could probably bootstrap into RHEL by starting with
another distro that does support floppies, if you have a floppy drive
and lots of floppy disks.  Install that distro first, then use the
method David mentions to boot to the RHEL iso.

RHEL 5 supports the use of the /images/bootdisk.img, copied to a bootable
USB flash drive.  Instructions in the RHEL install guide.

"To boot using a USB pen drive, use the dd command to copy the diskboot..img
image file from the /images/ directory on CD-ROM 1. For example:
dd if=diskboot.img of=/dev/sda"

Other sources on the web explain how to perform the copy if you don't
already have dd.

Makes sense.  I think I remember diskboot.img being for a floppy long,
long ago.  Then it became too big to fit on a floppy.

I also found some fedora-test-list articles that talked about having to
copy the image to the first partition on the USB stick if the machine
didn't support booting to a USB floppy image (varies machine BIOS to
machine BIOS).

The OP had Windows, so he'll have to find a way to write the image to
USB via something in Windows.

In any case, the OP has something else to try now.

Maybe the old 'rawrite' utility? I used to use it for floppies: will
it work for USB devices?
 
Sidney Lambe...
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:55 pm
Guest
Johnny Rebel <rebel at (no spam) none.com> wrote:

[delete more garbage]

See what happens when you criticize the Windowsization of Linux.

The technocrats freak because they want Linux runners to be
dependent on them and the couch potatoes freak because they
want Linux to be an appliance like Windows.

Of course, most of the participants here are just your ordinary
usenet losers whose life consists of mocking and degrading people
while they hide behind fake names (usually more than one of them).

KDE and the like are "gifts", multi-million dollar "gifts", from
a group of corporations who are trying to take Linux away from
amateurs and turn it into a clone of Windows. Corporations do
not spend this kind of money unless they plan on making it
back with a big profit thrown in.

KDE is just a bunch of applications wrapped up in a pretty
package that supposedly makes it possible for the average
ignorant couch-potato to run Linux. But only with dedicated
technical support.

And it makes your Linux OS so very complicated, all of itself,
that it naturally discourages anyone from trying to learn Linux.
This is by design.

I don't run anything like KDE. Like tens of thousands of
real Linux runners, I run Linux from the commandline. KDE
is more than 10X the size of my entire OS yet I can do
anything it can do. No, I am not some kind of guru. Just
a guy who spends a little time on most days reading about
Linux and trying out what I learn on my computer.

KDE users spend that time earning money to pay for the
privelege of holding on the telephone for technical
support.

General:

http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/howlinuxworks/
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/From-PowerUp-To-Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html

http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.tar.bz2

http://www.linuxpackages.net/howto/slackfiles/books/slackware-basics/html/shell.
html

http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-who-where-and-what
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-man-command
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-directory-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/5/bash-files-manipulation
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-history-in-the-making
http://www.usefuljaja.com/2007/6/bash-use-your-local-bin

Bash Specific:

http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/index.html
http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/
http://articles.techrepublic.com.com/5100-10878_11-1052574.html
kind of odd "shell ninja" but lots of good info:
http://www.slideshare.net/brian_dailey/nyphp-march-2009-presentation
http://stat-www.berkeley.edu/classes/s243/bash.html
http://www.learnaboutlinux.net/blog/41-programming/50-bash-basics-1


Sid
 
Allen Kistler...
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:20 pm
Guest
dold at (no spam) 01.usenet.us.com wrote:
Quote:
In alt.os.linux.redhat Allen Kistler <ackistler at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:
I can't think of a way to do a floppy-based or USB-based installation
for RHEL. You could probably bootstrap into RHEL by starting with
another distro that does support floppies, if you have a floppy drive
and lots of floppy disks. Install that distro first, then use the
method David mentions to boot to the RHEL iso.

RHEL 5 supports the use of the /images/bootdisk.img, copied to a bootable
USB flash drive. Instructions in the RHEL install guide.

"To boot using a USB pen drive, use the dd command to copy the diskboot.img
image file from the /images/ directory on CD-ROM 1. For example:
dd if=diskboot.img of=/dev/sda"

Other sources on the web explain how to perform the copy if you don't
already have dd.

Makes sense. I think I remember diskboot.img being for a floppy long,
long ago. Then it became too big to fit on a floppy.

I also found some fedora-test-list articles that talked about having to
copy the image to the first partition on the USB stick if the machine
didn't support booting to a USB floppy image (varies machine BIOS to
machine BIOS).

The OP had Windows, so he'll have to find a way to write the image to
USB via something in Windows.

In any case, the OP has something else to try now.
 
...
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:22 am
Guest
In alt.os.linux.redhat Allen Kistler <ackistler at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:
Quote:
dold at (no spam) 01.usenet.us.com wrote:
"To boot using a USB pen drive, use the dd command to copy the
diskboot.img image file from the /images/ directory on CD-ROM 1. For
example: dd if=diskboot.img of=/dev/sda"

The OP had Windows, so he'll have to find a way to write the image to
USB via something in Windows.

I used cygwin dd to write it from Windows and tested the boot.

cat /proc/partitions
# before and after USB stick insertion to see what the /dev name is
dd if=diskboot.img of=/dev/sdb

A quick sniff on the web shows several "dd" programs available.

--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
 
...
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:35 am
Guest
In alt.os.linux.redhat Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
Have you actually tried this? I've found booting from pen drives
problematic over the last 6 years or so, and hope it has improved.

After I did the dd of the RHEL image yesterday, I did boot a desktop from
it. It showed RHEL 5, and looked like the normal install boot prompt from
a booted CD. I didn't try "rescue" or anything. It timed out, and went to
an install GUI, asking for the location of the install media.

Recently, in the quest to recover a damaged WinVista laptop, I tried making
bootable USB LiveCD sticks for Ubuntu and Fedora, using a combination of
dd, various programs found on the web, including some eeprom-update tools
from HP.

Eventually, I used a physical Ubuntu LiveCD (I didn't have a writer
available initially) to make an Ubuntu bootable stick. That worked, and I
recovered all of the docs I needed from the laptop, and loaded Ubuntu on
it, instead of buying the WindowsVista media for a reload...

From Windows, the Ubuntu-suggested UNetbootin did not work for me, but the
Fedora liveusb-creator.exe worked, and has the added benefit of leaving me
with a usable USB flash for normal storage.

--
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
 
Nico Kadel-Garcia...
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:17 pm
Guest
Quote:
So, if we add it all up, then GNU/Linux and Windows are - at least, from
the purely technical point of view; I won't be discussing licensing
etc. - both descendents of UNIX, with GNU/Linux having the most UNIX
DNA and Windows being an offspring of an offspring of an offspring that
had serious genetic flaws. :p

Aragorn, modern Windows made a quantum shift from UNIX to VMS with the
release of NT, brought in by David Cutler and his work from DEC. NT
and its VMS roots remains at the core of all contemporary Windows
releases. Memory management, particularly, inherited a lot from
David's works.

Quote:
Well, I don't see Windows running natively - as in "on the bare metal" -
on an IBM S/390 yet. Wink  GNU/Linux on the other hand is quite capable
of that, albeit that it's typically far more practical to run it inside
a virtual machine, even if only because of the limitations of the
amount of logical (processor) partitions in the Linux kernel versus
OS/390 (which I think is now called differently - zOS or something of
the likes? - but anyway).

Heh. The advantage of having a publicly available toolchain for
building your compilers (gcc), your core libraries (glibc), and your
kernel (Linux) combine to make Linux wildly portable to multiple
architectures. The fact that those toolchains actually follow the
standards rather than internalizing and hiding nasty hacks behind
"licensing agreements" only helps migration.
 
The Natural Philosopher...
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:48 pm
Guest
My wife saw me booting Linux in the command line mode today

"Oh, it looks just like windows 95' she said..'without the windows bit'....

I explained that a;ll operating systems looked like that, except with
windows the screen just goes blank, and with a MAC it goes grey with a
spinning wheel.
 
Keith Keller...
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:05 pm
Guest
["Followup-To:" header set to comp.os.linux.setup.]

On 2009-07-08, Aragorn <aragorn at (no spam) chatfactory.invalid> wrote:
Quote:
First of all I would like to say that I have not been following the
entire debate into detail because of health issues, and although the
word "troll" has come up a few times in this part of the thread

The word "troll" has come up because ''Sidney'' aka ''Alan Connor'' aka
''Tom Newton'' is a troll. Hit Google groups for some of his history.

Quote:
Shifting pseudonyms is rather a habit of trolls or spammers.

''Sidney'' aka ''Alan Connor'' aka ''Tom Newton'' has shifted at least
twice. (I think there's another nym that I'm forgetting.)

--keith

--
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(try just my userid to email me)
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Aragorn...
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 3:08 pm
Guest
On Wednesday 08 July 2009 22:48, someone identifying as *The Natural
Philosopher* wrote in /comp.os.linux.setup:/

Quote:
My wife saw me booting Linux in the command line mode today

"Oh, it looks just like windows 95' she said..'without the windows
bit'....

I explained that a;ll operating systems looked like that, except with
windows the screen just goes blank, and with a MAC it goes grey with a
spinning wheel.

And Windows 95 was a GUI that ran on top of MS-DOS 7.0 - according to an
acquaintance of mine who had test-driven Windows 95 when it was still
called Windows 4.0 "Chicago", the DOS /ver/ command outputted
"Microsoft MS-DOS 7.00" - and DOS was basically a rebranded QDOS, which
was written by Tim Patterson of Seattle Computer - he later on
transfered to Microsoft after Bill Gates had purchased QDOS from him.

And Patterson's QDOS was in turn a not-too-legal "update" to CP/M by
Gary Kildall of Digital Research - not to be confused with "Digital",
the abbreviation of Digital Equipment Corporation (or DEC). And CP/M
was written specifically for floppy-only single-user and single-tasking
machines, but based upon the look and feel of... UNIX. ;-)

So, if we add it all up, then GNU/Linux and Windows are - at least, from
the purely technical point of view; I won't be discussing licensing
etc. - both descendents of UNIX, with GNU/Linux having the most UNIX
DNA and Windows being an offspring of an offspring of an offspring that
had serious genetic flaws. :p

Well, I don't see Windows running natively - as in "on the bare metal" -
on an IBM S/390 yet. Wink GNU/Linux on the other hand is quite capable
of that, albeit that it's typically far more practical to run it inside
a virtual machine, even if only because of the limitations of the
amount of logical (processor) partitions in the Linux kernel versus
OS/390 (which I think is now called differently - zOS or something of
the likes? - but anyway).

--
*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)
 
 
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