I may be able to install from a USB device, never tried it with

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:06:48 -0400, <QuadZeroRo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
I may be able to install from a USB device, never tried it with

Another option, if you have the space available, is to install from
the hard drive. Much faster.

Copy the dvd to a .iso file on the hd.

Use any distro that has a live cd to boot into linux, and then run
a script similar to the following, which is what I use ...

#!/bin/bash

isofile=mandriva-linux-free-alpha-cooker-i586.iso
isodir=/mnt/hd

cd "$isodir"
rm -f vmlinuz.install
rm -f initrd.install

mount -t auto -o ro,loop "$isofile" /media/cdrom
ls -l /media/cdrom/i586/isolinux/alt0/vmlinuz
ls -l /media/cdrom/i586/isolinux/alt0/all.rdz
ls -l /media/cdrom/i586/isolinux/alt0/
cp /media/cdrom/i586/isolinux/alt0/vmlinuz "$isodir"/vmlinuz.install
cp /media/cdrom/i586/isolinux/alt0/all.rdz "$isodir"/initrd.install

umount /media/cdrom
ls -l *.install

echo image=$isodir/vmlinuz.install
echo    label="install"
echo    root=/dev/sda3
echo    initrd=$isodir/initrd.install

The above script extracts the files needed to boot from, and shows
the stanza needed for for lilo to boot from the iso image.

After running the script, you'd have to create a /etc/lilo.conf file,
and then run lilo to install the boot manager.

Feel free to contact me by email (see sig), if you'd like to try this
approach, and need some help.

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On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:06:48 -0400, <QuadZeroRoute at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
I may be able to install from a USB device, never tried it with

Another option, if you have the space available, is to install from
the hard drive. Much faster.

Copy the dvd to a .iso file on the hd.

Use any distro that has a live cd to boot into linux, and then run
a script similar to the following, which is what I use ...

[snip]

I cannot select the DVD drive as a
bootable device from within the already updated BIOS.

BTW, Red Hat's subscription fees are not
version-specific. If you paid for RHEL5, you can switch to RHEL3.

Sidney Lambe wrote:
Allen Kistler <ackistler at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:

[delete]

BTW, Red Hat's subscription fees are not
version-specific. If you paid for RHEL5, you can switch to RHEL3.

The world is indeed coming to an end. People are paying
for Linux.

Actually, they are not paying for Linux. Red Hat is charging for support and
maintenance. They also charge for the compiled versions of the software, but
the source is available for free.

They have no problem with others compiling their source (other than their
trademarks) and distributing and maintaining their own binaries. CentOS do
this, and Red Hat is not prosecuting them.

But even worse, people are _selling_ Linux.

True. But if you are a true capitalist, note that you can get the source for
free, so those who pay vendors such as Red Hat must feel they are getting
something of value in return for their money.

I'd guess that RH uses closed-source proprietary software, too.
And that they have 800 numbers for paid tech support.

You do not have to guess: it is described on their web site. The more you
pay, the better support you get. Their Enterprise Linux distributions do not
have proprietary software in it. They also sell other packages that are
proprietary if you want them.

Note that Red Hat contribute to the Linux software effort with the donation
of paid staff to work on parts of it.

[snip]

Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8 at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
Sidney Lambe wrote:
Allen Kistler <ackistler at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:

[delete]

BTW, Red Hat's subscription fees are not
version-specific. If you paid for RHEL5, you can switch to RHEL3.
The world is indeed coming to an end. People are paying
for Linux.
Actually, they are not paying for Linux. Red Hat is charging for support and
maintenance. They also charge for the compiled versions of the software, but
the source is available for free.

They have no problem with others compiling their source (other than their
trademarks) and distributing and maintaining their own binaries. CentOS do
this, and Red Hat is not prosecuting them.
But even worse, people are _selling_ Linux.
True. But if you are a true capitalist, note that you can get the source for
free, so those who pay vendors such as Red Hat must feel they are getting
something of value in return for their money.
I'd guess that RH uses closed-source proprietary software, too.
And that they have 800 numbers for paid tech support.
You do not have to guess: it is described on their web site. The more you
pay, the better support you get. Their Enterprise Linux distributions do not
have proprietary software in it. They also sell other packages that are
proprietary if you want them.

Note that Red Hat contribute to the Linux software effort with the donation
of paid staff to work on parts of it.

[snip]

So it's not quite as grim as it seemed. But the trend is downhill and
snowballing. The corporate technocrats and couch potatos and office drones
have their feet in the door.

Real Linux is for amateur hackers, not appliance
operators and office drones and technocrats.

But it won't be long before the latter try to
take it away from us, using the patent laws.

Not in anybodies interest anymore.

Sidney Lambe wrote:
Allen Kistler <ackistler at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:

[delete]

BTW, Red Hat's subscription fees are not
version-specific. If you paid for RHEL5, you can switch to RHEL3.

The world is indeed coming to an end. People are paying
for Linux.

Nothing wrong with that at all, it is all in the spirit of the GPL. The
best thing is, you don't have to pay for it, it is your choice.

Sidney Lambe wrote:

Just Say No

to KDE/Gnome/Xfce/and so on.

It is no fun trying to run the lynx web browser with modern web sites.

Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8 at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
Sidney Lambe wrote:

[delete]

Just Say No

to KDE/Gnome/Xfce/and so on.
It is no fun trying to run the lynx web browser with modern web sites.

Now there is a remarkably ignorant statement coming from someone
who claims (in the rest of this article, deleleted) to be a
Linux expert.

I run firefox here when necessary, and bash is my user interface.
I don't run an "integrated graphical desktop environment" like
KDE or Gnome or Xfce.

You just enter "firefox &" on the commandline and firefox is
launched and the prompt is cleared.

Duh

(I have it 'aliased' to a function
in my bashrc to "ff", so that's all I have to enter).

So are you actually this ignorant or are you a corporate shill
trying to disinform people?

It's not that I can do anything from the commandline that someone
can do with KDE. I can do _more_.

And it's easier to learn bash than it is to learn KDE, starting
from scratch.

Don't let these technocrats mislead you. They want to produce
ignorant appliance operators so that you'll be dependent on
them.

[delete]


Sid
Sid,

On Jul 5, 8:13=A0pm, Sidney Lambe <sidneyla... at (no spam) nospam.invalid> wrote:

[ ranting deleted ]

Folks, we've got a troll. He's not answering the questions raised by
the original poster, has no apparent actual knowledge to contribute,
and his entire posting history under this alias is 90% troll and 10%
useless comments that do not actually provide any information or
reflect any direct experience.

Killfile him and move on.

Johnny Rebel <rebel at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
Sidney Lambe wrote:
Allen Kistler <ackistler at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:

[delete]

BTW, Red Hat's subscription fees are not
version-specific. If you paid for RHEL5, you can switch to RHEL3.
The world is indeed coming to an end. People are paying
for Linux.
Nothing wrong with that at all, it is all in the spirit of the GPL. The
best thing is, you don't have to pay for it, it is your choice.

Yes, there is something wrong with it. They are paying for avoiding
learning Linux.

Do you service your won car? Perform your own lobotomies? Salughter your

They are paying to remain ignorant appliance operators.

I don't know why you call yourself "Johnny Rebel".

You are a corporate sheep.

Oh yeh. I forgot. Lies the corporations' principal tools.

[delete]

Sid

Jean-David Beyer <jeandavid8 at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
Sidney Lambe wrote:

[delete]

Just Say No

to KDE/Gnome/Xfce/and so on.
It is no fun trying to run the lynx web browser with modern web sites.

Now there is a remarkably ignorant statement coming from someone
who claims (in the rest of this article, deleleted) to be a
Linux expert.

I run firefox here when necessary, and bash is my user interface.
I don't run an "integrated graphical desktop environment" like
KDE or Gnome or Xfce.

You just enter "firefox &" on the commandline and firefox is
launched and the prompt is cleared.

Duh

(I have it 'aliased' to a function
in my bashrc to "ff", so that's all I have to enter).

So are you actually this ignorant or are you a corporate shill
trying to disinform people?

It's not that I can do anything from the commandline that someone
can do with KDE. I can do _more_.

And it's easier to learn bash than it is to learn KDE, starting
from scratch.

Don't let these technocrats mislead you. They want to produce
ignorant appliance operators so that you'll be dependent on
them.

[delete]


Sid

Allen Kistler <ackistler at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:
[delete]
BTW, Red Hat's subscription fees are not
version-specific. If you paid for RHEL5, you can switch to RHEL3.
The world is indeed coming to an end. People are paying
for Linux.
But even worse, people are _selling_ Linux.
I'd guess that RH uses closed-source proprietary software, too.
And that they have 800 numbers for paid tech support.
Add KDE and you've got Windows.
[delete]
It'll be a cold day in Hell before I'll pay for Linux software
or install closed-source software on my box. Or pay for technical
support.
Sure, I send a few bucks to various developers/maintainers now and then, but
this is a gift of appreciation, not payment. It isn'[t business. It's
amateurs supporting amateurs.
Real Linux is amateur.
When did the corruption of Linux by the corporate technocrats begin?
With user interfaces like KDE and Gnome, making it possible, with
the help of formal technical support, for ignorant appliance operators
to use the obscured Linux OS underlying the interface without knowing
anything about it. They don't learn Linux, they learn KDE.

Johnny Rebel <rebel at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
Sidney Lambe wrote:
Allen Kistler <ackistler at (no spam) oohay.moc> wrote:

[delete]

BTW, Red Hat's subscription fees are not
version-specific. If you paid for RHEL5, you can switch to RHEL3.
The world is indeed coming to an end. People are paying
for Linux.
Nothing wrong with that at all, it is all in the spirit of the GPL. The
best thing is, you don't have to pay for it, it is your choice.

Yes, there is something wrong with it. They are paying for avoiding
learning Linux.

They are paying to remain ignorant appliance operators.

I don't know why you call yourself "Johnny Rebel".

You are a corporate sheep.

Oh yeh. I forgot. Lies the corporations' principal tools.

[delete]

Sid