As I do almost once a week, I tried today to update my gentoo, but a lot of
kde... packages are blocked by what seems to be a previous version of
kde-base. Do I have to unmerge all kde ( or kde-base) to let the system
update ?

Yeah, sadly you have to uninstall the monolithic KDE3.5.9 which you have
installed and then install KDE3.5.10 meta as portage can't handle this
kind of changes.

Another option would be to remove the KDE3.5.9 from your
/var/db/pkg/kde-base, this way portage thinks you don't have KDE installed
and it will install the files over the current ones. This could lead to
some orphan files, but should be okey IMHO.

J.O. Aho wrote:

Yeah, sadly you have to uninstall the monolithic KDE3.5.9 which you have
installed and then install KDE3.5.10 meta as portage can't handle this
kind of changes.

Another option would be to remove the KDE3.5.9 from your
/var/db/pkg/kde-base, this way portage thinks you don't have KDE installed
and it will install the files over the current ones. This could lead to
some orphan files, but should be okey IMHO.


Thanks for your answer, I'll probably go for the 2nd option.
But... did I make something wrong that led me to this situation ?

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, jf wrote:
J.O. Aho wrote:

Had to use alpine to post this time, for some reason things works quite
badly after testing KDE4, even if I did rebuild and fix dependencies after
I had removed KDE4.

Yeah, sadly you have to uninstall the monolithic KDE3.5.9 which you have
installed and then install KDE3.5.10 meta as portage can't handle this
kind of changes.

Another option would be to remove the KDE3.5.9 from your
/var/db/pkg/kde-base, this way portage thinks you don't have KDE installed
and it will install the files over the current ones. This could lead to
some orphan files, but should be okey IMHO.


Thanks for your answer, I'll probably go for the 2nd option.
But... did I make something wrong that led me to this situation ?

No, you didn't do anything wrong, it's just the Gentoo KDE team who
decided to not support the monolithic KDE build anymore and forced
everyone to switch to the "modular" one (which take a lot longer time to
compile as many packages uses the same tarball, so unpacking it many
times). IMHO it was a bad idea, they could have skiped the modular way for
KDE3 and introduced it with KDE4.

No, you didn't do anything wrong, it's just the Gentoo KDE team who
decided to not support the monolithic KDE build anymore and forced
everyone to switch to the "modular" one (which take a lot longer time to
compile as many packages uses the same tarball, so unpacking it many
times). IMHO it was a bad idea, they could have skiped the modular way for
KDE3 and introduced it with KDE4.

OK, I'll do that next week-end

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009, AZ Nomad wrote:

On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 07:08:33 +0200, J.O. Aho <user at (no spam) example.com> wrote:
No, you didn't do anything wrong, it's just the Gentoo KDE team who
decided to not support the monolithic KDE build anymore and forced
everyone to switch to the "modular" one (which take a lot longer time to
compile as many packages uses the same tarball, so unpacking it many
times). IMHO it was a bad idea, they could have skiped the modular way for
KDE3 and introduced it with KDE4.
....

I thought this would be a good time to try switching to kde4.

It's not ready.

Lots of eye candy. Looks like a god damn vista system but without the
usual 10-20 second lockups from the disk thrashing of a recent microsoft
operating system needing four times the RAM than the processor can address.

Widgets are lacking. Reminds me of gnome 2.0 or kde 3.0.

The upgrade managed to lose or ignore most of my previous settings.

No bluetooth control; had to install gnome-bluetooth for my BT mouse.

Weather application uses a nasty seven segment readout font. Hello? It's the
60's on the phone, they want their LED readout technology back.
I hate 7 segment displays; there's no reason for them and they're fugly.

J.O. Aho wrote:

AZ Nomad wrote:

I thought this would be a good time to try switching to kde4.
Oh no,,,,

You know Wii, people want something old or copy OSX/Vista.

Hey, th more I read, the more I wonder if I won't get this "opportunity" to
get rid of KDE and go for Gnome....

I guess I'm going to go back to kde 3.5 and wait for kde 4.5.
And hope they can quit f#$%^&*ing the ebuilds so I don't have to do a
complete kde remove, full system update, depclean, and kde reinstall again.

AZ Nomad wrote:

I guess I'm going to go back to kde 3.5 and wait for kde 4.5.
And hope they can quit f#$%^&*ing the ebuilds so I don't have to do a
complete kde remove, full system update, depclean, and kde reinstall again.

Maybe better to wait for KDE5 instead.

AZ Nomad wrote:

I thought this would be a good time to try switching to kde4.

Oh no,,,,

You know Wii, people want something old or copy OSX/Vista.

Hey, th more I read, the more I wonder if I won't get this "opportunity" to

jf wrote:

As I do almost once a week, I tried today to update my gentoo, but a lot
of kde... packages are blocked by what seems to be a previous version of
kde-base. Do I have to unmerge all kde ( or kde-base) to let the system
update ?

Yeah, sadly you have to uninstall the monolithic KDE3.5.9 which you have
installed and then install KDE3.5.10 meta as portage can't handle this
kind of changes.

Another option would be to remove the KDE3.5.9 from your
/var/db/pkg/kde-base, this way portage thinks you don't have KDE installed
and it will install the files over the current ones. This could lead to
some orphan files, but should be okey IMHO.

A third one is to mask KDE3.5.10, but this will in the length cause your
some dependency problems.

Fourth would be to go directly to the unstable KDE4, but with my recent
experience there are too many bugs there and a lot of features missing
(filed a bunch of bugs to the KDE developers today).

I would have done
1. remove kde-3.5.9 packages from pkg
2. emerge kde-meta
3. rebuild things that depends on KDE.

OK for the first 2 points, I think I could do that , but I can't find a

J.O. Aho wrote:

I would have done
1. remove kde-3.5.9 packages from pkg
2. emerge kde-meta
3. rebuild things that depends on KDE.

OK for the first 2 points, I think I could do that , but I can't find a
command that would rebuild all things that depend on kde... Is there a way
to list all these ?