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| highlandham... |
 Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:23 pm |
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Mark Madsen wrote:
Quote: Now, one important thing. You've bought into the whole Wintel thing
about clock speeds being the important aspect of the hardware. Wrong.
They aren't. Even slow processors spend most of their time waiting for
memory. So tThe more important question is how much memory these machines
have. With 512MB or more they will run Mandriva 2009.0 just fine. Not
rocket ship speed, but just fine.
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Agree , it is not the processor's speed but the max amount of RAM which
determines the potential of using an 'oldie' with a modern distro.
Sadly a number of 'oldies' can't have more than 256MB of RAM ,period !
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| Moe Trin... |
| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 9:01 pm |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandrake, in article
<Y6adnQT7KpZJqNnUnZ2dnUVZ8uadnZ2d at (no spam) pipex.net>, highlandham wrote:
Quote: Mark Madsen wrote:
So tThe more important question is how much memory these machines
have. With 512MB or more they will run Mandriva 2009.0 just fine.
Not rocket ship speed, but just fine.
Agree , it is not the processor's speed but the max amount of RAM
which determines the potential of using an 'oldie' with a modern
distro.
Another major factor is what software you are trying to run. If you
insist on using a Vista wanna-be desktop, you have to expect it to
require a huge amount of memory.
I'm not advocating/recommending/suggesting any specific distribution,
but am quoting from RedHat/Fedora requirements because I have the data
handy:
RH 5.2 16 MB _recommended_ (X with a FVWM2 needed 13 MB)
RH 7.3 32 Mb for text-mode, 128 Mb for GUI
RH 9 64 Mb for text-mode, 128 Mb for GUI, 192MB Recommended for GUI
FC 2 64 Mb for text-mode, 192 Mb for GUI, 256MB Recommended for GUI
FC 6 128 Mb for text-mode, 192 Mb for GUI, 256Mb Recommended for GUI
That last one also applies to the current FC10. So what are you running
that requires so much more memory?
Quote: Sadly a number of 'oldies' can't have more than 256MB of RAM ,period !
'man ps' and figure out what 'ps auxOsv' is trying to tell you.
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| Mark Madsen... |
| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 1:47 am |
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2008 19:01:38 -0600, Moe Trin wrote:
Quote: Another major factor is what software you are trying to run. If you
insist on using a Vista wanna-be desktop, you have to expect it to
require a huge amount of memory.
Well, that's obviously true, but the amount of weight of the underlying
OS has a significant effect. As a non-Linux datapoint, I once (for
laughs) installed the whole of FreeBSD 6.something with KDE on a 600MHz
P3 with 128MB RAM. It ran really well. I would not bother trying
Kubuntu or Mandriva (to name only 2) on such a box. |
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| Moe Trin... |
| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:03 pm |
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On 15 Dec 2008, in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandrake, in article
<4945ef7a_7 at (no spam) news.bluewin.ch>, Mark Madsen wrote:
Quote: Moe Trin wrote:
Another major factor is what software you are trying to run. If you
insist on using a Vista wanna-be desktop, you have to expect it to
require a huge amount of memory.
Well, that's obviously true, but the amount of weight of the underlying
OS has a significant effect. As a non-Linux datapoint, I once (for
laughs) installed the whole of FreeBSD 6.something with KDE on a 600MHz
P3 with 128MB RAM. It ran really well. I would not bother trying
Kubuntu or Mandriva (to name only 2) on such a box.
Trying to avoid advocacy here - For perspective, FreeBSD 6.x releases
date back a bit, so lets do a comparable:
FreeBSD Date Kubuntu Mandriva Fedora Kernel source
6.0 Jan 06 5.10 2006.0 4 2.6.15 49.9 MB
6.1 May 06 6.04 2006.0 5 2.6.16.16 51.1 MB
6.2 Jan 07 6.10 2007.0 6 2.6.19.2 53.8 MB
6.3 Dec 07 7.10 2008.0 8 2.6.23.11 57.4 MB
7.0 Feb 08 7.10 2008.0 8 2.6.24.2 59.1 MB
That's merely to get a relative view. Looking at the kernel size (I'm
showing the tar.gz from ~mid-month), yes it's bloating up, but that's
capability, not installed size. The installed size depends on how you
configure and compile. The installed size - even a kitchen sink kernel
typical of popular distributions - increased about 10 percent over that
same period. Would you care to try to compare the sizes of KDE? ;-)
I'm not the FreeBSD guru, but I think all of the FreeBSD boxes I have
access to seem to be a locally compiled kernel. They also don't seem
to be as versatile as our (custom) Linux installs.
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| Amrein-Marie Christophe... |
| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:16 pm |
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Mark Madsen wrote:
Quote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:33:19 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:
I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
Good buys, one hopes?
Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
Mandriva 2009 on these machines?
I ran 2008.1 on a 1GHz P3 with 384MB for a few months, it ran just fine
using KDE.
Installed 2008.1 on a 1GHz P3 with 192MB of RAM here (laptop). Works great.
Can't use virtual machine (like Virtual box or vmware... 1Go would be
better) but the laptop works great. |
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| Markus R. Keßler... |
| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:18 pm |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:44:29 -0500, Jim Beard <jdbeard at (no spam) patriot.net>
wrote:
Quote: Markus R. Keßler wrote:
I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
Mandriva 2009 on these machines?
Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
If you have 256MB of RAM, go for 2009.0, but then immediately
select your mirrors for additional software and updates and
install KDE 3.5. Remove KDE 4 if you need the disk space.
KDE 4 is really not ready for prime time at the moment. It is
getting close, but it will be a heavier package and it will
misbehave.
You mean to simply do a "rpm -e kde" or so, then take the cds / dvd
from 2004..2007 and do a "rpm -i kde"?
What about the dependencies?
Best regards,
Markus
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| David W. Hodgins... |
| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:16 pm |
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On Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:18:34 -0500, Markus R. Keßler <dimke.fax at (no spam) uni.de> wrote:
Quote: You mean to simply do a "rpm -e kde" or so, then take the cds / dvd
from 2004..2007 and do a "rpm -i kde"?
What about the dependencies?
When you do the install, do not install kde4. Instead, install something
like icewm, so you can use the gui to setup the online repositories.
You can then run "urpmi task-kde3" (or use the gui), to install kde 3.5.10,
from the Mandriva 2009 online repositories. That will take care of the
dependencies.
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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| Markus R. Keßler... |
| Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:39 pm |
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Hi all!
Above all, I'd like to wish you a happy new year!
And, well, both of the mentioned two machines are up and running.
So, now I can gladly confirm, that even a 500MHz box is fast enough to run Mandriva in a sensful way!
Yes, in some situations you have to wait a little longer for response, especially when running KDE4.0, but the machine never freezes, even with 256MB RAM. Well, as soon as I have the time I'll go for more RAM and install it.
Thanks for this wonderful and exciting discussion!
Best regards,
Markus
Quote: I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
Mandriva 2009 on these machines?
I did not install it on any pc but I think that at least on the 500MHz
box I should rather install Mandrake 10 instead. This is based on the
assumption that concerning the year of release, Mandriva 2009 has
similar prerequisits like micro$oft vista?
Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
Best regards,
Markus
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