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| Markus R. Keßler... |
 Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:33 pm |
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Dear all,
I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
Mandriva 2009 on these machines?
I did not install it on any pc but I think that at least on the 500MHz
box I should rather install Mandrake 10 instead. This is based on the
assumption that concerning the year of release, Mandriva 2009 has
similar prerequisits like micro$oft vista?
Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
Best regards,
Markus
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| Wes Newell... |
| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:33 pm |
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| Wes Newell... |
| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:33 pm |
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| George Czerw... |
| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 4:33 pm |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:33:19 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:
Quote: Dear all,
I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
Mandriva 2009 on these machines?
I did not install it on any pc but I think that at least on the 500MHz
box I should rather install Mandrake 10 instead. This is based on the
assumption that concerning the year of release, Mandriva 2009 has
similar prerequisits like micro$oft vista?
Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
Best regards,
Markus
I'm using an old 1.0Ghz P3 with 768Kb RAM and 2009.0 runs just fine, even
with KDE4. |
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| Aragorn... |
| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:11 pm |
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On Friday 12 December 2008 21:33, someone identifying as *Markus R. Keßler*
wrote in /alt.os.linux.mandrake:/
Quote: Dear all,
I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
Mandriva 2009 on these machines?
No experience, but it should work, provided that the machines have enough
RAM, as the others have said. 256 MB would be a minimum if you plan on
using KDE or Gnome, but I recommend 512 MB.
Quote: I did not install it on any pc but I think that at least on the 500MHz
box I should rather install Mandrake 10 instead. This is based on the
assumption that concerning the year of release, Mandriva 2009 has
similar prerequisits like micro$oft vista?
Nah, only Micro$oft is that crazy. :p
Quote: Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
GNU/Linux. :p What distribution is a matter of taste. :-)
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| Markus R. Keßler... |
| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:48 pm |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:53:26 +0000 (UTC), Wes Newell
<w.newell at (no spam) invalid.invalid> wrote:
Quote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:33:19 +0000, Markus R. Keߟler wrote:
Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
If you've got 256M ram or more then any should work. Might try a lighter
window manager than KDE though.
All of my machines have at least 1/4 GB RAM. And as I see there's
always some space left and is used as cache. But, as you confirm, KDE
is the bottleneck. In textmode, when run as a dedicated server the
machines runs fine, but it's an agony to wait until KDE is loaded.
I already tried some others like ICE WM but I could not see any
advantage. When I remember correctly then Mandrake 10.1 comes along
with KDE 3. I think KDE 4 is even more overloaded and thus slower?
Is Gnome better / faster?
Best regards,
Markus
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| Markus R. Keßler... |
| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:57 pm |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:11:46 +0100, Aragorn
<aragorn at (no spam) chatfactory.invalid> wrote:
Quote: On Friday 12 December 2008 21:33, someone identifying as *Markus R. Keßler*
wrote in /alt.os.linux.mandrake:/
Dear all,
I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
Mandriva 2009 on these machines?
No experience, but it should work, provided that the machines have enough
RAM, as the others have said. 256 MB would be a minimum if you plan on
using KDE or Gnome, but I recommend 512 MB.
Even when working with Scribus and some other applications
simultaneously the total consumption of RAM is rarely higher than
220..240MB. In most cases there's even some 50..80MB of RAM cached.
Quote: I did not install it on any pc but I think that at least on the 500MHz
box I should rather install Mandrake 10 instead. This is based on the
assumption that concerning the year of release, Mandriva 2009 has
similar prerequisits like micro$oft vista?
Nah, only Micro$oft is that crazy. :p
Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
GNU/Linux. :p What distribution is a matter of taste. 
Hm, well, when I installed Suse 9 I got the impression that this one
was slower and less agile than Mandrake 10.1
Though I always thought that the version number was meant as a speed
or "hardware requirement index"  So Mandrake 10 should be slower
than Suse 9. But this was not the case.
Best regards,
Markus
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| TJ... |
| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:12 pm |
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Markus R. Keßler wrote:
Quote: Dear all,
I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
Mandriva 2009 on these machines?
I did not install it on any pc but I think that at least on the 500MHz
box I should rather install Mandrake 10 instead. This is based on the
assumption that concerning the year of release, Mandriva 2009 has
similar prerequisits like micro$oft vista?
Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
Can't say with regard to the Pentium, but I have Mandriva 2009.0
installed on a 800MHz Duron machine with 512 MB of RAM, and it works OK.
A lot depends on what you're trying to do and how much multitasking you
try. I'm using KDE 3.5, if that makes any difference, and I don't
multitask on that machine. There has been a glitch or two from time to
time after it runs for two or three hours, but I think that's a
case-cooling hardware problem. It did the same thing with 2007.1.
TJ |
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| Wes Newell... |
| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 8:27 pm |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:57:22 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:
Quote: Though I always thought that the version number was meant as a speed or
"hardware requirement index" So Mandrake 10 should be slower than
Suse 9. But this was not the case.
You can always recompile the kernel and disable things you don't need in
it for an older machine. It's a real pita to do, but I did it once and cut
the kernel size by about 20-25% iirc. But that was back on 8.0 or
somewhere.
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| highlandham... |
| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:01 pm |
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Wes Newell wrote:
Quote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:33:19 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:
Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
If you've got 256M ram or more then any should work. Might try a lighter
window manager than KDE though.
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My Ultra ,model A440, laptop with P3-863MHz (vintage 2001) has its max
RAM of 256MB .
After running MDV LE2005 for a few years ,it now happily runs Knoppix
5.1.1 installed on the 20GB HD
Tried Kubuntu 8.10 Live ..............however ,no response , keeps
loading ......not enough RAM !
Frank
PS : If RAM could be expanded I would happily upgrade. |
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| Jim Beard... |
| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:44 pm |
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Markus R. Keßler wrote:
Quote: I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
Mandriva 2009 on these machines?
Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
If you have 256MB of RAM, go for 2009.0, but then immediately
select your mirrors for additional software and updates and
install KDE 3.5. Remove KDE 4 if you need the disk space.
KDE 4 is really not ready for prime time at the moment. It is
getting close, but it will be a heavier package and it will
misbehave.
http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_Notes#Upgrading_from_previous_releases
Or, you could install 2008.1 and update that. Then, if you want
to shift to 2009.0, you can due an upgrade rather than an install
(online no less, if you have a fast connection). 2008.1 will
install KDE 3.5, and the upgrade will leave it in place rather
than install KDE 4.
Cheers!
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| Markus R. Keßler... |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:06 pm |
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Hi Frank,
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:01:29 -0500, highlandham <rfburns at (no spam) nospam.com>
wrote:
Quote: Wes Newell wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:33:19 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:
Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
If you've got 256M ram or more then any should work. Might try a lighter
window manager than KDE though.
===========================================
My Ultra ,model A440, laptop with P3-863MHz (vintage 2001) has its max
RAM of 256MB .
After running MDV LE2005 for a few years ,it now happily runs Knoppix
5.1.1 installed on the 20GB HD
I always thought that Knoppix is a kind of "Live CD" which is only
capable of loading the OS and all needed files from cd into ram,
showing how Linux works. In my understanding, this is not meant as an
install cd.
Quote: Tried Kubuntu 8.10 Live ..............however ,no response , keeps
loading ......not enough RAM !
I have similar experiences with Mandrake "Move" which demands for at
least 120MB RAM, but the box I tried this once, has only 64MB.
So everytime I tried to load the OS the machine got slower and slower
and finally it crached...
Best regards,
Markus
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| Major Tom... |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:18 pm |
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I've had it running on an EEE PC 701 and used VNC to run it, that was
using KDE if that helps any.
The machine did have 512Mb of RAM in it.
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:06:43 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:
Quote: Hi Frank,
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:01:29 -0500, highlandham <rfburns at (no spam) nospam.com
wrote:
Wes Newell wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:33:19 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:
Any hints which OS makes sense installed on which of these two boxes?
If you've got 256M ram or more then any should work. Might try a
lighter window manager than KDE though.
=========================================== My Ultra ,model A440, laptop
with P3-863MHz (vintage 2001) has its max RAM of 256MB .
After running MDV LE2005 for a few years ,it now happily runs Knoppix
5.1.1 installed on the 20GB HD
I always thought that Knoppix is a kind of "Live CD" which is only
capable of loading the OS and all needed files from cd into ram, showing
how Linux works. In my understanding, this is not meant as an install
cd.
Tried Kubuntu 8.10 Live ..............however ,no response , keeps
loading ......not enough RAM !
I have similar experiences with Mandrake "Move" which demands for at
least 120MB RAM, but the box I tried this once, has only 64MB. So
everytime I tried to load the OS the machine got slower and slower and
finally it crached...
Best regards,
Markus |
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| highlandham... |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:10 pm |
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Quote: ===========================================
My Ultra ,model A440, laptop with P3-863MHz (vintage 2001) has its max
RAM of 256MB .
After running MDV LE2005 for a few years ,it now happily runs Knoppix
5.1.1 installed on the 20GB HD
I always thought that Knoppix is a kind of "Live CD" which is only
capable of loading the OS and all needed files from cd into ram,
showing how Linux works. In my understanding, this is not meant as an
install cd.
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Indeed Knoppix is usually considered a Live distro also used as a rescue
CD ,but it has an install option .
However start-up takes a long time , but start-up info is extensive .
It being a Debian fork updating is easy . It is imho a good distro for
my 'ancient' laptop ;any probs can be solved through the Knoppix forum.
Frank
PS : On my main PC I am still running MDV2007.1 |
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| Mark Madsen... |
| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:47 pm |
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 20:33:19 +0000, Markus R. Keßler wrote:
Quote: I just got 2 used intel machines, one P3/500 and one P3/800.
Good buys, one hopes?
Quote: Does anyone have experience about how sensful it would be to install
Mandriva 2009 on these machines?
I ran 2008.1 on a 1GHz P3 with 384MB for a few months, it ran just fine
using KDE.
Quote: I did not install it on any pc but I think that at least on the 500MHz
box I should rather install Mandrake 10 instead.
That's crazy. There are dozens of modern, current, supported distros
that work better than Mandrake 10. It was great in its day, but that day
was over years ago.
The present kernel is faster, more stable, supports more hardware, and
manages memory better than in those old days.
Quote: This is based on the
assumption that concerning the year of release, Mandriva 2009 has
similar prerequisits like micro$oft vista?
There's no basis for that assumption. Ignore any conclusions it led you
to.
Now, one important thing. You've bought into the whole Wintel thing
about clock speeds being the important aspect of the hardware. Wrong.
They aren't. Even slow processors spend most of their time waiting for
memory. So tThe more important question is how much memory these machines
have. With 512MB or more they will run Mandriva 2009.0 just fine. Not
rocket ship speed, but just fine. |
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