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Adrian Brentnall
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:00 am
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HI All

As part of the preparation for an overseas house move, I've been
'sorting out' the cupboards, and have come up with a number of older
items that I can't identify (even after extensive searching on the
web) ......

I'm new to this group - is it OK to post links to pictures of these
items, and invite the regular experts to offer an opinion ?

Thanks
Adrian
Suffolk UK
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Mike Dworetsky
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:26 am
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"Adrian Brentnall" <adrianthepapersand the trash@ambquality.co.uk> wrote in
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HI All

As part of the preparation for an overseas house move, I've been
'sorting out' the cupboards, and have come up with a number of older
items that I can't identify (even after extensive searching on the
web) ......

I'm new to this group - is it OK to post links to pictures of these
items, and invite the regular experts to offer an opinion ?

Sure, post a link--just don't attach the image to the posting!

--
Mike Dworetsky

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Adrian Brentnall
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:00 pm
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HI Mike

Many thanks for that.

Please take a look at http://www.inspired-glass.co.uk/antiques.htm -
there's a photo of a Cauldon bowl that I'd like some help with - also
a 'mystery object' that I'd love to identify.

Many thanks
Adrian

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:26:18 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:

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"Adrian Brentnall" <adrianthepapersand the trash@ambquality.co.uk> wrote in
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HI All

As part of the preparation for an overseas house move, I've been
'sorting out' the cupboards, and have come up with a number of older
items that I can't identify (even after extensive searching on the
web) ......

I'm new to this group - is it OK to post links to pictures of these
items, and invite the regular experts to offer an opinion ?

Sure, post a link--just don't attach the image to the posting!

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Mike Dworetsky
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:48 pm
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HI Mike

Many thanks for that.

Please take a look at http://www.inspired-glass.co.uk/antiques.htm -
there's a photo of a Cauldon bowl that I'd like some help with - also
a 'mystery object' that I'd love to identify.

Many thanks
Adrian


My wife is better at this than I am. She says

The Cauldon item is a 20th Century (1904-26) soup tureen (from size and
appearance) and it seems to be missing its lid. Cauldon, England pottery
was in Hanley, Staffordshire, near Stoke on Trent, an area still known as
"The Potteries".

The other item was identified by Kris as an iron, and I'll go along with
that. Probably late Victorian, and indeed fairly common at antique fairs,
etc. I think you actually would put hot coals in the chamber then seal it
up with the cap and close the lid.

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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:26:18 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
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"Adrian Brentnall" <adrianthepapersand the trash@ambquality.co.uk> wrote
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HI All

As part of the preparation for an overseas house move, I've been
'sorting out' the cupboards, and have come up with a number of older
items that I can't identify (even after extensive searching on the
web) ......

I'm new to this group - is it OK to post links to pictures of these
items, and invite the regular experts to offer an opinion ?

Sure, post a link--just don't attach the image to the posting!

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Kris Baker
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:00 pm
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"Adrian Brentnall" <adrianthepapersand the trash@ambquality.co.uk> wrote in
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HI Mike

Many thanks for that.

Please take a look at http://www.inspired-glass.co.uk/antiques.htm -
there's a photo of a Cauldon bowl that I'd like some help with - also
a 'mystery object' that I'd love to identify.

Many thanks
Adrian


I could be wrong, but I believe #1 should have a lid. Generally, a
bowl or planter wouldn't have such a narrow opening unless
something was to fit into it.

#2 is an old iron. Someone in your family ironed their clothes
with that thing. They're actually quite common.

Kris
 
Adrian Brentnall
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:00 pm
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HI Mike (& Mrs Mike)
Thanks for the comments...

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:48:41 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
<platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:

Quote:
"Adrian Brentnall" <adrianthepapersand the trash@ambquality.co.uk> wrote in
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HI Mike

Many thanks for that.

Please take a look at http://www.inspired-glass.co.uk/antiques.htm -
there's a photo of a Cauldon bowl that I'd like some help with - also
a 'mystery object' that I'd love to identify.

Many thanks
Adrian


My wife is better at this than I am. She says

The Cauldon item is a 20th Century (1904-26) soup tureen (from size and
appearance) and it seems to be missing its lid. Cauldon, England pottery
was in Hanley, Staffordshire, near Stoke on Trent, an area still known as
"The Potteries".

Interesting - do you think it's big enough for a soup tureen ? I've
just measured - and, full to the brim, it only holds 3/4 of a UK pint
- that's not a whole lot of soup.

As I said further up this thread - I've never known this piece to have
a lid - but it could well have been broken before I knew it....

Quote:

The other item was identified by Kris as an iron, and I'll go along with
that. Probably late Victorian, and indeed fairly common at antique fairs,
etc. I think you actually would put hot coals in the chamber then seal it
up with the cap and close the lid.

Not so sure about that.... why the 'wick' - and what is designed to
sit on the 'supports'....? The inside of the cap which screws onto the
section holding the wick has a round leather 'washer' fitted - looks
as if it's supposed to keep liquid inside.....

This is an odd one <g>

Thanks
Adrian

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Adrian Brentnall
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:00 pm
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HI Kris

Thanks for the reply

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:58:58 GMT, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote:

Quote:

"Adrian Brentnall" <adrianthepapersand the trash@ambquality.co.uk> wrote in
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HI Mike

Many thanks for that.

Please take a look at http://www.inspired-glass.co.uk/antiques.htm -
there's a photo of a Cauldon bowl that I'd like some help with - also
a 'mystery object' that I'd love to identify.

Many thanks
Adrian


I could be wrong, but I believe #1 should have a lid. Generally, a
bowl or planter wouldn't have such a narrow opening unless
something was to fit into it.

Interesting.....
The actual opening measures 5.25" x 3.5". It's a family piece, and I
don't remember it ever having a lid - though it could have got broken
before I knew about it, of course....

Quote:

#2 is an old iron. Someone in your family ironed their clothes
with that thing. They're actually quite common.

Hmm - see below (responses to other comments)

Many thanks
Adrian
Suffolk UK
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Adrian Brentnall
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:00 pm
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Hi Colonel B
Thanks for taking the time to answer..

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:29:06 +0100, Colonel Blink The Short Sighted
Gink <anon@[127.0.1.1]> wrote:

Quote:
In message <6yD2e.16267$DW.9579@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>, Kris Baker
kris.baker@prodigyy.net> writes
#2 is an old iron. Someone in your family ironed their clothes
with that thing. They're actually quite common.

Far be it from me to disagree with an avowed expert but I believe it to
be a little more interesting than that.

I think it is indeed a flat iron but combined with a spirit stove for
heating curling tongs; obviously a patent ladies travelling kit or
somesuch. I would expect their to be either a patent date, number or
design number on it. Curling Tongs, as you know, were not just for
curling hair. I would look and see if you can find anymore of the kit it
belongs to.

No chance of that, sadly. It was discovered in the back of a cupboard
in an old shop in Cornwall that my family & I renovated about 35 years
ago.... these are all the 'bits' that we found...

Quote:

I would have to look closer to work out how the iron is heated; if it is
really plated then it was probably not heated by warming on a fire.

It's also hollow - the complete 'sole' of the iron is actually a
hollow container - which appears to be intended to be filled with
meths or similar, so that the wick can be lit.
It would be risky to heat this container, filled with spirit......
Quote:

I agree with you about the value though; cleaned up it would worth
only about seven or eight pints of Stella.

Sold ! <g>

Thanks
Adrian

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Kris Baker
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 6:00 pm
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HI Mike (& Mrs Mike)
Thanks for the comments...

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:48:41 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:

"Adrian Brentnall" <adrianthepapersand the trash@ambquality.co.uk> wrote
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HI Mike

Many thanks for that.

Please take a look at http://www.inspired-glass.co.uk/antiques.htm -
there's a photo of a Cauldon bowl that I'd like some help with - also
a 'mystery object' that I'd love to identify.

Many thanks
Adrian


My wife is better at this than I am. She says

The Cauldon item is a 20th Century (1904-26) soup tureen (from size and
appearance) and it seems to be missing its lid. Cauldon, England pottery
was in Hanley, Staffordshire, near Stoke on Trent, an area still known as
"The Potteries".

Interesting - do you think it's big enough for a soup tureen ? I've
just measured - and, full to the brim, it only holds 3/4 of a UK pint
- that's not a whole lot of soup.

As I said further up this thread - I've never known this piece to have
a lid - but it could well have been broken before I knew it....

Old china services often had individual lidded soups, sometimes
referred to as "cream soups".

Quote:
The other item was identified by Kris as an iron, and I'll go along with
that. Probably late Victorian, and indeed fairly common at antique fairs,
etc. I think you actually would put hot coals in the chamber then seal it
up with the cap and close the lid.

Not so sure about that.... why the 'wick' - and what is designed to
sit on the 'supports'....? The inside of the cap which screws onto the
section holding the wick has a round leather 'washer' fitted - looks
as if it's supposed to keep liquid inside.....

This is an odd one <g

Thanks
Adrian

There are hundreds of different models of irons. This
one's obviously made to self-heat. Based upon the one image,
it looks like you open it, unscrew the lid, pour in some gas/oil,
and let it heat up.

Unfortunately, whatever yours is, it must not have any markings
left due to its poor condition?

Here's a selection of similar devices: http://snipurl.com/dr3y
Maybe you can find one like yours?

Kris
 
Adrian Brentnall
Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:00 pm
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HI Kris

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 22:48:05 GMT, "Kris Baker"
<kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote:

Quote:

"Adrian Brentnall" <adrianthepapersand the trash@ambquality.co.uk> wrote in
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HI Mike (& Mrs Mike)
Thanks for the comments...

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 21:48:41 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Dworetsky"
platinum198@pants.btinternet.com> wrote:

"Adrian Brentnall" <adrianthepapersand the trash@ambquality.co.uk> wrote
in
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HI Mike

Many thanks for that.

Please take a look at http://www.inspired-glass.co.uk/antiques.htm -
there's a photo of a Cauldon bowl that I'd like some help with - also
a 'mystery object' that I'd love to identify.

Many thanks
Adrian


My wife is better at this than I am. She says

The Cauldon item is a 20th Century (1904-26) soup tureen (from size and
appearance) and it seems to be missing its lid. Cauldon, England pottery
was in Hanley, Staffordshire, near Stoke on Trent, an area still known as
"The Potteries".

Interesting - do you think it's big enough for a soup tureen ? I've
just measured - and, full to the brim, it only holds 3/4 of a UK pint
- that's not a whole lot of soup.

As I said further up this thread - I've never known this piece to have
a lid - but it could well have been broken before I knew it....

Old china services often had individual lidded soups, sometimes
referred to as "cream soups".

Aha - that would make more sense.........
perhaps that's what it is ..?

Quote:

The other item was identified by Kris as an iron, and I'll go along with
that. Probably late Victorian, and indeed fairly common at antique fairs,
etc. I think you actually would put hot coals in the chamber then seal it
up with the cap and close the lid.

Not so sure about that.... why the 'wick' - and what is designed to
sit on the 'supports'....? The inside of the cap which screws onto the
section holding the wick has a round leather 'washer' fitted - looks
as if it's supposed to keep liquid inside.....

This is an odd one <g

Thanks
Adrian

There are hundreds of different models of irons. This
one's obviously made to self-heat. Based upon the one image,
it looks like you open it, unscrew the lid, pour in some gas/oil,
and let it heat up.

OK - understand that - but you'd then end up with a very hot tinplate
tank full of boiling spirit..... which sounds a bit dangerous to me.

I'm wondering if there was another 'thing' that was stored inside the
top of the iron, and sat on the two 'stands' to be heated in the flame
from the spirit burner - like a tiny iron.....?

Quote:

Unfortunately, whatever yours is, it must not have any markings
left due to its poor condition?

Doesn't look as if it ever did have markings...

Quote:

Here's a selection of similar devices: http://snipurl.com/dr3y
Maybe you can find one like yours?

Thanks for the link - but I can't see anything that's similar - they
all seem to have fairly 'massive' soles, heated by a burner of some
sort. The whole think about my iron is that it's made from thin
tinplate - so it would be very poor at retaining heat. I can't help
thinking it's a novelty item of some sort.....?

Many thanks to you for the comments, though...

Regards
Adrian
Suffolk UK

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Adrian Brentnall
Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 4:00 am
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HI again

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 00:31:46 +0100, Colonel Blink The Short Sighted
Gink <anon@[127.0.1.1]> wrote:

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Brentnall <adrianthepapersand@the.trash.invalid> writes
Regards
Adrian
Suffolk UK
I meant to commiserate with you because I live in Norfolk

Never mind - I think they still let your 'northerners' out over the
border a couple of times a year - just so's you can see what you're
missing <g>

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and cannot
imagine what it is like to be an inferior breed from Suffolk

Not me - inferior breed from Cornwall, originally.....

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and be
forced to support Ipswich Town. Have Christianity, plumbing and literacy

Yes
Sometimes (we have our own well and septic tank - does that count ?)
No
(but not necessarily in that order !)

Quote:
reached your neck of the woods yet or are you still bowing down to wood
and stone?

<grin> Not quite - but some of us are Spiritualists
(www.cedars-spiritualists.co.uk)

Quote:

I have seen many tin plate spirit lamps for curling tongs. I have never
seen a tinplate iron. I could not find any examples on the W.W.W. but
here is a not very good picture of a stand for putting on a gas ring.

http://www.cantabrianet.com/detara/pages/dh31s_jpg.htm

Ah - that's very interesting. The pic that shows the tongs sitting on
the spirit lamp looks very much like the arrangement that I've got -
perhaps there were originally a set of folding tongs with the item -
and they've got lost over time....?

Thanks for the info - and the insults <g>

Adrian - Suffolk UK

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John-Henry Collinson
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 8:00 am
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In message <Z36gS3BxSSTCFwLw@jhenry.demon.co.uk>, Colonel Blink The
Short Sighted Gink <anon@[127.0.1.1]> writes
Quote:
http://www.ruralhistory.org/interface/schools/windmill/home/home_washing
/
home_washing_8.html
Try this

http://www.ruralhistory.org/interface/schools/windmill/home/home_washing/home_washing_8.html
--
John-Henry Collinson
 
powerbus
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:00 pm
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Gee, the same site shows an "oil iron" which was heated, dangerously,
with
many different combustible fuels before they gave up trying.

http://www.ruralhistory.org/interface/schools/windmill/home/home_washing/home_washing_11.html
 
 
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