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Volfie
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 9:05 pm
Guest
What would you recommend to get a 13 year old girl reading? She says she
"hates reading" and, as you can imagine, that means she reads slightly below
par and only when forced to do so for school assignments and such. I, on
the other hand, am a bibliophile but I'm stymied on what to give this child
that will get her interested. If it doesn't grab her attention immediately
(within a few *pages*, not chapters) she doesn't continue. She likes some
of the Chicken Soup books -- probably because of the short stories -- but I
would like to get her interested in fiction books. She has absolutely no
sense of... oh, I'm not sure how to express it... *enchantment*, maybe?
Very little imagination, very little wonder. I'm not sure she even
understands that fictional stories can be *fun* to read and not punishment
or a school assignment.

If anyone has any book suggestions I'd surely appreciate it. Like most teen
girls her current interests are boys, boys, boys. She lives on a farm but
she's apathetic about the animals and can take or leave them. There are
woods and lakes and Native American artifacts underfoot and all sorts of
natural phenomena around but she never explores any of it. I'm at my wits
end here on how to get her enthusiastic about reading and becoming aware of
the world that is all around her.

Giselle (oh, and she's not my child but a relative by marriage so I only
have *limited* influence)
 
H Schinske
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 10:25 pm
Guest
volfie@ccrtc.com wrote:

Quote:
She likes some
of the Chicken Soup books -- probably because of the short stories -- but I
would like to get her interested in fiction books.

If nonfiction is where she's at, try nonfiction. Maybe funny memoirs with
literary value, like _The Egg and I_?

--Helen
 
Diane L. Schirf
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2004 11:40 pm
Guest
In article <10o0jlnhhfa223d@corp.supernews.com>,
"Volfie" <volfie@ccrtc.com> wrote:

Quote:
She lives on a farm but
she's apathetic about the animals and can take or leave them. There are
woods and lakes and Native American artifacts underfoot and all sorts of
natural phenomena around but she never explores any of it.

Can I trade places with her?

I wonder if some day she will end up elsewhere not so spiritually
fulfilling and regret not paying attention to the beauty around her.

--
http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/
 
Purple Dragon
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:05 am
Guest
Well, with the stuff kids are forced to read in school these days, it's no
wonder that more of them don't turn out like this. However, never fear,
you've still got some options before you throw up your hands in defeat.
Here are some things to think about. What are her interests? Does she do
any extracurricular activities at school? What kind of television programs
does she like? What kind of music does she listen to? Where does she hang
out after school &/or on the weekends? All of these can be good indicators
of the kind of books she might enjoy.

You mentioned she seemed to like some of the Chicken Soup books. Which
ones? Have you asked her why she liked them? Her enjoyment of these books
might indicate that she likes stories about real people with present day
problems. If this is the case, you might try giving her a Judy Blume book,
or maybe something by Louise Rennison or Ann Brashares. For something with
a slight fantasy twist, maybe the Princess Diaries series by Meg Cabot?
Also, the fact that the Chicken Soup books are short might have something to
do with why she reads them. Try looking for other short story collections
that might hold her interest. Here are some suggestions: When I Was Your
Age by Francesca Lia Block, Places I Never Meant To Be by Judy Blume,
Necessary Noise by Michael Cart, Thirteen Stories That Capture the Agony and
Ecstasy of Being Thirteen by James Howe, Doing Time by Rob Thomas, The Teen
Ink series by Stephanie H. Meyer & John Meyer.

Another thing to consider is that because she's not much of a reader, she's
most likely not up to par when it comes to reading at her age level. And
since you mentioned she doesn't have much of an imagination, I can imagine
how difficult it might be for her to get into a full-sized book. Have you
tried graphic novels? They come in a wide variety of interests and age
groups and there are now several American companies producing them now.
Both Viz and Tokyopop, for example, are very good about giving each title an
appropriate age rating, which I find very useful when making recommendations
to parents. You can take a look at their sites here:

http://www.tokyopop.com/books/manga.php
http://www.viz.com/products/shojo/

I have some book lists that I made last year while working in a middle/upper
school library. If you like, I'd be more than happy to post a few to give
you some ideas.

On an ending note. . . Don't Panic! Wink With someone like you dedicated to
helping her find her reading niche she's bound to discover books eventually.
My brother was the same way at that age (he's 20 now.) When I finally
convinced him to read something, the only books he'd pick up were Star Trek:
The Original Series. For over a year that's all he read. From there I just
had to work in stages. I decided my next challenge would be to get him to
read a Start Trek book from a different series. It worked! He read and
enjoyed it. From then on he steadily began to trust my judgment in books.
And now he's reading Tom Clancy, J.R.R. Tolkein, Clive Cussler, and so much
more. On a side note, he's also a graphic novel fan. Anyway, my point is,
once you help this girl find her reading niche, it should just get easier
from there.

Good luck!

Miranda Smile
 
Volfie
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:05 am
Guest
"Diane L. Schirf" <delenn@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:rSZfd.11449$ta5.8766@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Quote:
In article <10o0jlnhhfa223d@corp.supernews.com>,
"Volfie" <volfie@ccrtc.com> wrote:

She lives on a farm but
she's apathetic about the animals and can take or leave them. There are
woods and lakes and Native American artifacts underfoot and all sorts of
natural phenomena around but she never explores any of it.

Can I trade places with her?

I wonder if some day she will end up elsewhere not so spiritually
fulfilling and regret not paying attention to the beauty around her.

I have to be real honest with you -- I don't get her at all. If I had been
given a place like this in my childhood, you'd never get me in the house.
You'd have to PRY me away from the barn and the horses at bedtime and I'd be
in the woods exploring every day during all four seasons. A fairy ring
popped up on the lawn the other day and I was all excited to show it to her
and she went, "Oh, yeah, those mushrooms? Yeah, I saw them." ARGH!! I
think her childhood must have been awfully lacking in imaginative
stimulation -- there's just nothing deeper in her than what you see. Maybe
it's just too late to instill wonder and imagination in her now? I'm really
not getting anywhere with her and I don't know how to proceed.

Giselle (but, trust me, I'm enjoying this place for both of us)
 
Volfie
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 11:05 am
Guest
Thanks, Miranda, you've given me a lot to chew on here. I'm going to have
to print this out and work my way through it by stages. Am I right in
thinking graphic novels are what I used to call comic books? (I have
followed the links yet. Smile I did start one child reading by letting her
read all the MAD Magazines she could get her hands on. I just haven't see
this one show any interest in anything besides the Chicken Soup books and
even that was a lukewarm interest at best. After months and months of
having them she's probably read a 1/2 dozen stories. If I were her parents,
I'd assign her a certain time for reading each day -- and then talk to her
about what she read -- but my hands are tied on this one.

I'd love to see the book lists you have. Thanks for taking all the time and
trouble to answer so thoughtfully.

Giselle


"Purple Dragon" <mira@youdontknowme.com> wrote in message
news:B14gd.538617$8_6.343856@attbi_s04...
Quote:
Well, with the stuff kids are forced to read in school these days, it's no
wonder that more of them don't turn out like this. However, never fear,
you've still got some options before you throw up your hands in defeat.
Here are some things to think about. What are her interests? Does she do
any extracurricular activities at school? What kind of television
programs
does she like? What kind of music does she listen to? Where does she
hang
out after school &/or on the weekends? All of these can be good
indicators
of the kind of books she might enjoy.

You mentioned she seemed to like some of the Chicken Soup books. Which
ones? Have you asked her why she liked them? Her enjoyment of these
books
might indicate that she likes stories about real people with present day
problems. If this is the case, you might try giving her a Judy Blume
book,
or maybe something by Louise Rennison or Ann Brashares. For something
with
a slight fantasy twist, maybe the Princess Diaries series by Meg Cabot?
Also, the fact that the Chicken Soup books are short might have something
to
do with why she reads them. Try looking for other short story collections
that might hold her interest. Here are some suggestions: When I Was Your
Age by Francesca Lia Block, Places I Never Meant To Be by Judy Blume,
Necessary Noise by Michael Cart, Thirteen Stories That Capture the Agony
and
Ecstasy of Being Thirteen by James Howe, Doing Time by Rob Thomas, The
Teen
Ink series by Stephanie H. Meyer & John Meyer.

Another thing to consider is that because she's not much of a reader,
she's
most likely not up to par when it comes to reading at her age level. And
since you mentioned she doesn't have much of an imagination, I can
imagine
how difficult it might be for her to get into a full-sized book. Have you
tried graphic novels? They come in a wide variety of interests and age
groups and there are now several American companies producing them now.
Both Viz and Tokyopop, for example, are very good about giving each title
an
appropriate age rating, which I find very useful when making
recommendations
to parents. You can take a look at their sites here:

http://www.tokyopop.com/books/manga.php
http://www.viz.com/products/shojo/

I have some book lists that I made last year while working in a
middle/upper
school library. If you like, I'd be more than happy to post a few to give
you some ideas.

On an ending note. . . Don't Panic! Wink With someone like you dedicated
to
helping her find her reading niche she's bound to discover books
eventually.
My brother was the same way at that age (he's 20 now.) When I finally
convinced him to read something, the only books he'd pick up were Star
Trek:
The Original Series. For over a year that's all he read. From there I
just
had to work in stages. I decided my next challenge would be to get him to
read a Start Trek book from a different series. It worked! He read and
enjoyed it. From then on he steadily began to trust my judgment in books.
And now he's reading Tom Clancy, J.R.R. Tolkein, Clive Cussler, and so
much
more. On a side note, he's also a graphic novel fan. Anyway, my point
is,
once you help this girl find her reading niche, it should just get easier
from there.

Good luck!

Miranda :-)

 
Manny
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 12:47 pm
Guest
"Volfie" <volfie@ccrtc.com> wrote in message
news:10o0jlnhhfa223d@corp.supernews.com...
Quote:
What would you recommend to get a 13 year old girl reading? She says she
"hates reading" and, as you can imagine, that means she reads slightly
below
par and only when forced to do so for school assignments and such. I, on
the other hand, am a bibliophile but I'm stymied on what to give this
child
that will get her interested. If it doesn't grab her attention
immediately
(within a few *pages*, not chapters) she doesn't continue. She likes some
of the Chicken Soup books -- probably because of the short stories -- but
I
would like to get her interested in fiction books. She has absolutely no
sense of... oh, I'm not sure how to express it... *enchantment*, maybe?
Very little imagination, very little wonder. I'm not sure she even
understands that fictional stories can be *fun* to read and not punishment
or a school assignment.

If anyone has any book suggestions I'd surely appreciate it. Like most
teen
girls her current interests are boys, boys, boys. She lives on a farm
but
she's apathetic about the animals and can take or leave them. There are
woods and lakes and Native American artifacts underfoot and all sorts of
natural phenomena around but she never explores any of it. I'm at my wits
end here on how to get her enthusiastic about reading and becoming aware
of
the world that is all around her.

Giselle (oh, and she's not my child but a relative by marriage so I only
have *limited* influence)

Lucky you ;)

It sounds like she's not connecting WHY with "you should read more",
and since bookworms aren't highly valued in a society that teaches
kids how to play video games and use the internet, this is a toughie.

I think you need to trick her. Come up with a problem, and make HER
solve it. In another post, you mentioned "a fairy ring". Next time
something like that appears, ask her "what is it and why did this
happen?" (even though you know the what and why).

Or maybe she's just terminally sullen. Are there goths on farms?

Kris
 
Volfie
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 8:47 pm
Guest
"Kris Baker" <kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote

Quote:
I think "shallow" is it, then....and we're raising a generation of them.
TV,
video games, internet, everything "quick and instant", shopping's at
Wal-Mart (all in one store, with all of it disposable) and even the new
childrens' books look like video games to me.

Are you stuck with her permanently, or is this just a visit?

Hi Kris, fancy meeting you here. :)

She's now part of my family through marriage. I see her almost daily if I
go up to their house (she doesn't leave it voluntarily) or if we're all
doing something together. Honestly, trying to find something that interests
her is driving me nuts. I guess I was lucky growing up with a father who
found EVERYTHING fascinating and taught me to see it like that, too. Like I
said, I thought the fairy ring was pretty darn cool. I even took photos of
it. She must think I'm really the crazy aunt, eh?

Giselle (let's hope they never figure out how to read newsgroups, eh?? oops
Smile
 
Diane L. Schirf
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:06 pm
Guest
In article <10o31h68lcmk3b9@corp.supernews.com>,
"Volfie" <volfie@ccrtc.com> wrote:

Quote:
She didn't find the fairy ring odd or mysterious or at all intriguing. If I
asked her what it was she'd shrug her shoulders and walk away. If I asked
her to find out what it was, she ask everyone in sight for about five
minutes and then forget about it.

This sounds like a lot of kids. They want to be spoonfed. :(

--
http://www.mindspring.com/~slywy/
 
Adam
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:20 pm
Guest
"Volfie" <volfie@ccrtc.com> wrote in message news:<10o24ksbs3che8f@corp.supernews.com>...
Quote:
Thanks, Miranda, you've given me a lot to chew on here. I'm going to have
to print this out and work my way through it by stages. Am I right in
thinking graphic novels are what I used to call comic books?
snip

Graphic novels look much the same as a comic, but are typically longer
with a more complete story line.
These are available for both existing comic characters, and more
importantly in your case, graphic version of existing novels.
They are a great way to introduce reading to kids, I think this was an
excellant idea by the OP.

Good Luck,

Adam
 
Kris Baker
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:25 pm
Guest
"Volfie" <volfie@ccrtc.com> wrote in message
news:10o34op9043fbec@corp.supernews.com...
Quote:

"Kris Baker" <kris.baker@prodigyy.net> wrote

I think "shallow" is it, then....and we're raising a generation of them.
TV,
video games, internet, everything "quick and instant", shopping's at
Wal-Mart (all in one store, with all of it disposable) and even the new
childrens' books look like video games to me.

Are you stuck with her permanently, or is this just a visit?

Hi Kris, fancy meeting you here. Smile

You'll find me in only the *best* groups.

Quote:
She's now part of my family through marriage. I see her almost daily if I
go up to their house (she doesn't leave it voluntarily) or if we're all
doing something together. Honestly, trying to find something that
interests
her is driving me nuts.

I'd drop it....and let her approach you with something. She will,
and maybe that will lead to a common interest.

Quote:
I guess I was lucky growing up with a father who
found EVERYTHING fascinating and taught me to see it like that, too.

Mine taught me how to ID Air Force aircraft flying about the house,
when I was six.....in 1952.

Quote:
Like I said, I thought the fairy ring was pretty darn cool. I even
took photos of it. She must think I'm really the crazy aunt, eh?

You're NOT? I think "being different" is something that should
be cultivated. Down with normality.

Quote:
Giselle (let's hope they never figure out how to read newsgroups, eh??
oops
Smile

Oooohhhh....we could mention her by name, she'd google herself,
and find out all of these wonderful things about herself, and how
much you'd like to have a relationship.

Kris
 
Guest
Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2004 10:05 pm
I do hope you can find an answer and pass it along. I have a neighbor who
has a 13 yr. old girl and she feels the same way.
It seems as if life in general is punishing her by forcing her to read even
the simplest thing. I write, and was at one time a voracious
reader. Now don't have much time. Mostly reports... download books for my
palm... hey there's an idea. Maybe the electronic
version might tickle her fancy that a real honest to God book doesn't. She
could pretend to play games on it while actually reading
a book of her choice.

Lee
 
S Wittman
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 10:02 am
Guest
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:39:03 -0500, "Volfie" <volfie@ccrtc.com> wrote:

Quote:
Thanks, Miranda, you've given me a lot to chew on here. I'm going to have
to print this out and work my way through it by stages. Am I right in
thinking graphic novels are what I used to call comic books? (I have
followed the links yet. Smile I did start one child reading by letting her
read all the MAD Magazines she could get her hands on. I just haven't see
this one show any interest in anything besides the Chicken Soup books and
even that was a lukewarm interest at best.

If she likes to talk about boys and herself, maybe some juvie
chicklit? A lot has come out recently in the same vein as the
Shopaholic books. Maybe even the Shopaholic books, as much as I
dislike them, would be of interest. While these may not be "good"
books from a literary standpoint, at this point reading is reading.

Perhaps tie-in books to her favourite tv shows? Or the original book
that has been made into a movie? (Frex _Ella Enchanted_) A
subscription to a magazine of interest for Christmas?

Play to her interests, shallow as you may find them, they're what she
likes right now. IMO being judgmental about them isn't going to help
you here.

I'm not sure if the two things - lack of wonder and lack of reading -
are related, and solving one might not solve the other, but really
there is only so much one can do.

BTW I have to think that a forced reading time every day where one
gets quizzed on what one read would not be any more effective that
school book reports in getting someone to learn to love reading.

SW
 
Volfie
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:05 pm
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"Diane L. Schirf" <delenn@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
In article <10o31h68lcmk3b9@corp.supernews.com>,
"Volfie" <volfie@ccrtc.com> wrote:

She didn't find the fairy ring odd or mysterious or at all intriguing.
If I
asked her what it was she'd shrug her shoulders and walk away. If I
asked
her to find out what it was, she ask everyone in sight for about five
minutes and then forget about it.

This sounds like a lot of kids. They want to be spoonfed. Sad

I think this nation is in big, big trouble. There is one heck of a lazy
generation being raised right now.

Giselle (and our school systems are getting worse, too, which just compounds
it)
 
Volfie
Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2004 12:05 pm
Guest
"Adam" <notgotmuchspaminit@yahoo.com.au> wrote
Quote:
Graphic novels look much the same as a comic, but are typically longer
with a more complete story line.
These are available for both existing comic characters, and more
importantly in your case, graphic version of existing novels.
They are a great way to introduce reading to kids, I think this was an
excellant idea by the OP.

Good Luck,

Adam

It is a GREAT idea. I'm trying to find some that I think she'll enjoy. Do
they carry these in big bookstores? (I'm in the middle of nowhere and about
two hours from Indy which is where I would go look for them.) I checked the
little county library and they don't have ANY. <sheesh>

Is there some way to find existing novels in graphic novel form easily?
This is a whole new catagory of book for me! whoohoo!

Giselle (I *love* it)
 
 
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