bknight at (no spam) conramp.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:16:57 -0600, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:

bknight at (no spam) conramp.net> wrote in message
I actually said that Obama's only had 10+ months to find Osama., and
Bush had 8 years. That has nothing to do with 9/11.


You fail to realize that I don't blame Bush for 9/11, and I don't
think he's responsible for keeping the U.S. safe since.

BK
So who do you think IS responsible for it?

There is so much finger-pointing that its impossible to even guess.
Was it a U.S. government conspiracy? Bad intelligence? Liberals?
Conservatives? They've all been blamed.

All we know is that those nineteen or so Saudis pulled it off.

BK

I meant who do you think is responsible for keeping us safe since 911.

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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:16:57 -0600, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:


bknight at (no spam) conramp.net> wrote in message

I actually said that Obama's only had 10+ months to find Osama., and
Bush had 8 years. That has nothing to do with 9/11.


You fail to realize that I don't blame Bush for 9/11, and I don't
think he's responsible for keeping the U.S. safe since.

BK

So who do you think IS responsible for it?


There is so much finger-pointing that its impossible to even guess.
Was it a U.S. government conspiracy? Bad intelligence? Liberals?
Conservatives? They've all been blamed.

All we know is that those nineteen or so Saudis pulled it off.

BK

I meant who do you think is responsible for keeping us safe since 911.

I don't know that you can point to anyone that has kept us safe. I

I meant who do you think is responsible for keeping us safe since 911.

One man, losing it, is a far different thing from a planned
military-styled attack. This can't possibly be compared to 9/11 in
any way. It might have been preventable, but on the presidential
level? Not a chance.

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 08:44:20 -0600, bknight at (no spam) conramp.net wrote:

One man, losing it, is a far different thing from a planned
military-styled attack. This can't possibly be compared to 9/11 in
any way. It might have been preventable, but on the presidential
level? Not a chance.


This was a planned terrorist attack. The thing that disturbs me is
that both the FBI and the military had flagged this guy as trouble. It
looks like neither one spoke to the other about what they knew. Open
communications between the various intelligence gathering agencies was
supposed to be happening. This was one of the problems that prevented
the 9/11 terrorists from being detected.

In any case, this is the first terrorist attack in the US since 9/11.
It's pretty clear that at least the military dropped the ball on this
one. Obama is the CiC, so the buck stops with him.

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:47:59 -0600, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:


bknight at (no spam) conramp.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:16:57 -0600, "MNMikeW" <MNMiikkew at (no spam) aol.com
wrote:


bknight at (no spam) conramp.net> wrote in message

I actually said that Obama's only had 10+ months to find Osama., and
Bush had 8 years. That has nothing to do with 9/11.


You fail to realize that I don't blame Bush for 9/11, and I don't
think he's responsible for keeping the U.S. safe since.

BK

So who do you think IS responsible for it?


There is so much finger-pointing that its impossible to even guess.
Was it a U.S. government conspiracy? Bad intelligence? Liberals?
Conservatives? They've all been blamed.

All we know is that those nineteen or so Saudis pulled it off.

BK

I meant who do you think is responsible for keeping us safe since 911.

I don't know that you can point to anyone that has kept us safe. I
haven't seen, or heard, of any major attacks that have been thwarted.
It takes time for a group of terrorists to plan and carry out such, so
maybe they're at it now.

The responsibility rests on our intelligence sources, and they have
had their problems in the last several years. Then there's the
Homeland Security, that seems to be more involved with immigration.
IMO its just another tier of government that may or may not answer to
its charge.

Of course we have a slew of experts here on RSG who will have all of
the answers.


BK

The thread is over, now back to golf.

Golf related, shot a 86 today. Tough life, wonder what the poor people
did today? Probably just being poor! Start time tommorowm 8am, will
dedicate my first birdie to the hopes that RSG will one day return to its
former grandeur. A grandeur before the likes of you and others became
consumed with all these stupid political posts. Posts that are clearly OT
and are in violation of this groups FAQ. When was the last time you read
the FAQ? Might do you some good. Might do some others here good too!

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:09:26 -0800, "BigSlicer" wrote:
The thread is over, now back to golf.

Golf related, shot a 86 today. Tough life, wonder what the poor people
did today? Probably just being poor! Start time tommorowm 8am, will
dedicate my first birdie to the hopes that RSG will one day return to its
former grandeur. A grandeur before the likes of you and others became
consumed with all these stupid political posts. Posts that are clearly OT
and are in violation of this groups FAQ. When was the last time you read
the FAQ? Might do you some good. Might do some others here good too!


Good for you Big Slicer, you finally posted about golf. Now you're
about 2,000 behind most of us here, even the political posts.

Couple of questions for you.

1. Why is it that you have singled out one person for the OTs?

2. When was the last time you read the FAQ? Be really careful
your with your answer.

BK

He won a Nobel Prize.... no, wait, that wasn't him.

He closed Gitmo.... no, wait, that didn't happen.

He visited all 57 states.... No, that was somebody else.

I got it! He kept crazed terrorists from shooting people on a
military base.

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Jack Hollis <xsleeper at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

On Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:20:16 -0500, "Frank Ketchum"
nospam at (no spam) thanksanyway.com> wrote:

"Jack Hollis" <xsleeper at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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Actually, the US suffered its first terrorist attack since 9/11
last week in Texas. It only took a little less than 10 months
with Obama in charge for this to happen. Intelligence agencies
knew this guy was a danger and did nothing about it. I'm afraid
that Obama's message that political correctness is more important
than national security has cost American lives.

However, I'm sure that Obama made sure that the first thing that
Nidal Hasan heard when he woke up were his Miranda rights.

So political correctness wasn't around before Obama?

Do you even remember how stupid the Bush hater crowd sounded? Are
you any different?


I'm fully able to accept the shortcoming of the Clinton and Bush
administration when it comes to intelligence before 9/11. Clinton
did a miserable job and Bush didn't do any better when he took over.

It seems clear that the terrorist attack last week in Texas was
preventable if the intelligence agencies did their job. If you want
to hold Clinton and Bush responsible for intelligence failures during
their watch, then you have to hold Obama responsible now.

Ummmm...

You do realize that the FBI looked at this guy a year ago -- under
Bush's watch -- and decided there was nothing there, ..


...right?

What is true is that the DC politicians, bought and paid for out of
slush funds of the corporates and their shills, screwed the majority of
us. And that is on both sides of the aisle.

If there is really anyone left that believes the politicos are out there
for the common man, you have to wonder at their incredible stupidity!

I don't support "Don't ask, don't tell", but it is better than open homosexuality in the military, so I give
Obama credit for that. I support Obama's opposition to homosexual marriage.


Obama has to walk a fine line on these issues. IMO he's just
avoiding the issue because of politics.

I agree with you on the TARP, said so from the beginning. All it got us
was Wall Street and the bankers bailed out at the expense of JOBS!

Ask Obama. He said his stimulus plan would cap unemployment at 8%.

That was the goal and intent, didn't work out. What's so new about that?