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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:36 pm

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Amnesty International's report criticised Israel's refusals to grant
permits for wells in Gaza and the West Bank
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Hell! If Pissrahell did "grant" permits for wells to the rightful owners
of the land the Pissrahellis would poison the wells anyway!

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Good people the world over know the real two-state solution:
Birobidjan is the Jewish homeland and Palestine for the Palestinians.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-accused-of-
denying-palestinians-access-to-water-1809948.html

Israel accused of denying Palestinians access to water

Up to 200,000 families have no running water, damning Amnesty report
says

By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem

Tuesday, 27 October 2009

Amnesty International's report criticised Israel's refusals to grant
permits for wells in Gaza and the West Bank

Israel is accused today of denying the West Bank and Gaza access to
adequate water through a "total" and "discriminatory" control that
enables its own people to consume four times as much as the
Palestinians.

An Amnesty International report paints a picture of many Palestinian
families struggling – and often failing – to secure enough water for
drinking, cleaning, and agriculture while Israelis, including residents
of Jewish settlements in the West Bank, have all they need for lush,
irrigated farmland, swimming pools and gardens.

Amnesty also suggests that taxpayers in countries who donate aid to the
Palestinians are facing unnecessarily high costs to meet severe water
shortages because their governments are unwilling to challenge "the most
unreasonable" restrictions imposed by Israel on Palestinian access to
the regionally scarce resource.

It claims the 450,000 settlers who have taken up residence in the West
Bank and East Jerusalem since the Six-Day War in 1967 consume as much as
or more than the 2.3 million Palestinians living in the West Bank. It
says the overall Palestinian per capita consumption of 70 litres per day
compares with the WHO recommended level of 100 litres and Israeli
consumption of 300.

The report adds that between 180,000 and 200,000 Palestinians living in
rural communities – especially in the Israeli controlled "Area C" which
comprises 60 per cent of the West Bank – have no access to running
water. According to Amnesty, the Israeli military "often" prevents them
from accessing rainwater – for example by destroying water-harvesting
cisterns or even confiscating water tankers.

At the same time the report highlights the unequal distribution of water
from the mountain aquifer which is the principal groundwater resource
for both communities, most of which is located in the West Bank, and
from which Israel draws 80 per cent. It also points out that using water
for Israel's supplies from the River Jordan – as Jordan does, and Syria
and Lebanon do further upstream – before the river reaches the West
Bank, deprives Palestinians of any access to the river's water.

The report is critical of past mismanagement by the Palestinian Water
Authority and says the international donors sometimes lack coordination
in funding water-related projects in the occupied territories. But the
bulk of the report blames Israeli restrictions and repeated refusals to
grant permits for wells and other installations.

While the Oslo accords in the mid-Nineties agreed a highly unequal
distribution, the report suggests the disparities have worsened since
then. Instead of challenging restrictions, international donors – among
which the principal governments are those of the US and Germany – choose
to divert "significant funds" to short-term projects such as repairing
war damage or funding tanker shipments at many times the cost of piped
supplies.

In Gaza, the report says 90-95 per cent of the water from the coastal
aquifer which has traditionally supplied it, is now unfit for human
consumption. It adds that Israel's refusal to allow water to be exported
from the West Bank to Gaza, now compounded by the embargo on materials
for infrastructure development and repair, have brought Gaza's water and
sewage system to "crisis point."

Donatella Rovera, author of the Amnesty report, called for an end to the
restrictions and added that Palestinians were allowed "only a fraction"
of the shared water resources, which lie mostly in the West Bank, while
"the unlawful Israeli settlements receive virtually unlimited supplies".

Israel's water authority complained the report was "biased and
incorrect" and said it had met its obligations under the Oslo agreement
while Palestinians were not distributing water efficiently.

It also challenged the Amnesty figures and said the real gap was 408
litres per head in Israel and 287 litres for the Palestinians. But
Amnesty said last night that Israeli figures did not take account of
desalinated and treated water consumed by Israel, or the 35 per cent of
leakage from the Palestinian water supply caused by Israel's failure to
build new infrastructure. Amnesty said its own figures showed a slightly
smaller gap than that identified by the World Bank.

Aisha and Hafez Hereni: 'We save every drop, but it's never enough'

*Aisha and Hafez Hereni live in the small village of Tuwani, located in
the Southern Hebron Hills. The village is not connected to a pipe
network, and so they rely on rainwater, stored in cisterns, and water
delivered at great expense by tankers.

The cisterns are often soiled by Israeli settlers, Aisha says – they
have found nappies and dead chickens in the supply. With the family's
goats a key food source, and five children, the need for an adequate
supply is critical. "We save every drop, but it's never enough," Aisha
goes on. "It is a daily struggle."

Nearby Israeli settlements are fully plugged in to the water network;
indeed, one water conduit passes through Tuwani on its way to an illegal
settlement. The Israeli army has denied the village permission to tap
into that supply, despite a prolonged drought. And in July this year,
soldiers delivered a stop work order for a large cistern that could have
greatly eased delivery costs by providing a long-term storage option.
"We spend a lot of money on water and we never have enough," says Hafez.
"They are trying to force us out of the area by all means. Taking our
land is one way and limiting our access to water is another way."

©independent.co.uk

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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:06 pm

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Good people the world over know the real two-state solution:
Birobidjan is the Jewish homeland and Palestine for the Palestinians.

you are so full of it...you don't even know who the Palestinians were!

get your history and archeological evidence correct before you make your
idiotic statements!

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_israel_antiquity.php

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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:06 pm

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"Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"" <dmreed at (no spam) dmreed.com> wrote in news:sALFm.44156$eF1.39162 at (no spam) newsfe24.iad:

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"Ø" <Ø at (no spam) set.null> wrote in message
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Good people the world over know the real two-state solution:
Birobidjan is the Jewish homeland and Palestine for the Palestinians.

you are so full of it...you don't even know who the Palestinians were!

get your history and archeological evidence correct before you make your
idiotic statements!

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_israel_antiquity.php

http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844674223/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256698676&sr=1-1

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/shlomo-sands-the-invention-of-the-jewish-people-book-review.html

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Birobidjan: The Jewish Homeland. No terrorists there!
Give it a try!
http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm

Dennis M Reed \"Califa\"...

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:26 pm

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Good people the world over know the real two-state solution:
Birobidjan is the Jewish homeland and Palestine for the Palestinians.

you are so full of it...you don't even know who the Palestinians were!

get your history and archeological evidence correct before you make your
idiotic statements!

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_israel_antiquity.php

http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-Sand/dp/1844674223/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256698676&sr=1-1

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/shlomo-sands-the-invention-of-the-jewish-people-book-review.html

ok but so what...there is archeological evidence of ancient Israel including Egyptian records even though you have claimed (according to your masters) that there is no ancient record of Israel!

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Birobidjan: The Jewish Homeland. No terrorists there!
Give it a try!
http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm

jeezzzzzzzzzzzz....thanks for the reference....but read your own sources...

"Zionists chose not to acknowledge Birobidjan, the voluntary Jewish homeland (supported by American Jewry since 1928) of the Jewish Autonomous Region (on the border of Russia and China)."

notice what I bolded!

definitely not the ancient Jewish homeland Israel as described in historical records!!!

at least, read your own sources!

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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:00 pm

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This is a text group! Why are you putting html markup here?
Take a look at the bottom of this post to see what kind of a mess you've
made! Change your settings, please.

Now, getting to your point (which misses the point I made earlier)...
The OFFICIAL Holocaustian story is that the JEWS had been persecuted
since time immemorial, that they had NO HOMELAND, and that Hitler had
attempted to "SYSTEMATICALLY EXTERMINATE" the Jews.

That's the story we, the profane masses, are supposed to believe.

The PROBLEM with the story is that THEY ALREADY HAD A HOMELAND.

Would a people who had been through what they SUPPOSEDLY went through
have been so picky as to say... yeaaah, we've just been HOLOCAUSTED (for
the nth time), but, NAAAAAH, we'll take Palestine!

It's all A BIG LIE. That's my point. I had read what's on the Birobidjan
page and my comments STAND. Actually, I'll change what I just said
somewhat: It's all a BUNCH OF BIG LIES! eg Golda Meir saying a people-
less land for a land-less people. LIES. BIG FAT LIES.

As far as the Egyptian "proof" you've offered.
Not acceptable as proof of anything other than a stella that allegedly
made a cryptic remark about some "Israel" (who knows WHAT that meant at
the time? Some people claim it (ie "Israel") stands for Isis + Ra + El).

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Good people the world over know the real two-state solution:
Birobidjan is the Jewish homeland and Palestine for the
Palestinians.

you are so full of it...you don't even know who the Palestinians
were!

get your history and archeological evidence correct before you make
your
idiotic statements!

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_israel_antiquity.php

http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Jewish-People-Shlomo-
Sand/dp/1844674223
/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256698676&sr=1-1

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/shlomo-sands-the-invention-of-the-
jewis
h-people-book-review.html

ok but so what...there is archeological evidence of ancient Israel
including Egyptian records even though you have claimed (according to
your masters) that there is no ancient record of Israel!

Ø
Birobidjan: The Jewish Homeland. No terrorists there!
Give it a try!
http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm

jeezzzzzzzzzzzz....thanks for the reference....but read your own
sources...

"Zionists chose not to acknowledge Birobidjan, the voluntary Jewish
homeland (supported by American Jewry since 1928) of the Jewish
Autonomous Region (on the border of Russia and China)."

notice what I bolded!

definitely not the ancient Jewish homeland Israel as described in
historical records!!!

at least, read your own sources!

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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:26 pm

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This is a text group! Why are you putting html markup here?
Take a look at the bottom of this post to see what kind of a mess you've
made! Change your settings, please.

I seriously doubt anyone except you and I read these messages!

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Now, getting to your point (which misses the point I made earlier)...
The OFFICIAL Holocaustian story is that the JEWS had been persecuted
since time immemorial, that they had NO HOMELAND, and that Hitler had
attempted to "SYSTEMATICALLY EXTERMINATE" the Jews.

I have never said anything about Jewish persecution since time immorial!
they were conquered several times during their stay in Israel, by Egyptians,
Babylonians, Romans, and probably others.

It is fact proven by Nazi documents that Hitler tried to systemically
exterminate the Jews.

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That's the story we, the profane masses, are supposed to believe.

The PROBLEM with the story is that THEY ALREADY HAD A HOMELAND.

they may have had a large population in Birobidjan around 1928 but
Birobidjan was not their historic homeland. their historic homeland is well
documented to have been Israel.

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Would a people who had been through what they SUPPOSEDLY went through
have been so picky as to say... yeaaah, we've just been HOLOCAUSTED (for
the nth time), but, NAAAAAH, we'll take Palestine!

I would not say they have been "holocausted" for the nth time but because
they fought against their conquerors they were probably decimated multiple
times including by the Christian crusaders! as far as I know, the
"Holocaust" refers only to Hitler's efforts. you should know how they were
treated by most of Europe by the Catholic Church for many centuries...that
is, being driven from their homes many times.

and you deny the historical facts that the Phillistines/Palestinians were
not Arabs but Greeks...what ancient claim can the current Palestinians have
on Israel?

remember:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php
"Where did the name Palestine come from?

The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast
from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the
Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from "Plesheth", a
name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as
"Philistine". Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or
migratory. This referred to the Philistine's invasion and conquest of the
coast from the sea. The Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they
were most closely related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and
Greek localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic,
linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs.

"The Philistines reached the southern coast of Israel in several waves. One
group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled south of Beersheba
in Gerar where they came into conflict with Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael.
Another group, coming from Crete after being repulsed from an attempted
invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal
area, where they founded five settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and
Gat). In the Persian and Greek periods, foreign settlers - chiefly from the
Mediterranean islands - overran the Philistine districts."

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It's all A BIG LIE. That's my point. I had read what's on the Birobidjan
page and my comments STAND. Actually, I'll change what I just said
somewhat: It's all a BUNCH OF BIG LIES! eg Golda Meir saying a people-
less land for a land-less people. LIES. BIG FAT LIES.

you stand by your source's statement that "Zionists chose not to acknowledge
Birobidjan, the voluntary Jewish homeland (supported by American Jewry since
1928) of the Jewish Autonomous Region (on the border of Russia and China)."
good but then you ignore it and continue with your BS claims.

again...they may have had a large population in Birobidjan around 1928 but
Birobidjan was not their historic homeland. their historic homeland is well
documented to have been Israel.

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conquered Isis+Ra+El? what a bunch of crap...and you know it. I suspect that
educated (as contrasted to your ignorance) archelogists would know what
"Israel" meant to the ancient Egyptians.

note the above reference "Another group, coming from Crete after being
repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194
BCE"...more evidence that the Egyptians knew of Israel.

in addition, as mentioned above "In AD 135, after putting down the Bar
Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor
Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman "Provincia Judaea" and so
renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina", the Latin version of the Greek name
and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name "Provincia
Syria Palaestina" was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern,
anglicized "Palestine" is derived."

the current Palestinians just have the name because of the Romans!

when are you going to actually read some history about your beloved
Palestine and it real (not your imagined) history?

you have attempted to claim the non-existence of ancient Israel by the
supposed "non-existence" of ancient evidence...again what a bunch of crap!

I seem to recall also citing archeological evidence of Israel's existence by
the Babylonians. and, of course, the well-known evidence of Israel's
existence by the Romans.

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"Ø" <Ø at (no spam) set.null> wrote in message
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This is a text group! Why are you putting html markup here?
Take a look at the bottom of this post to see what kind of a mess
you've made! Change your settings, please.

I seriously doubt anyone except you and I read these messages!

Now, getting to your point (which misses the point I made earlier)...
The OFFICIAL Holocaustian story is that the JEWS had been persecuted
since time immemorial, that they had NO HOMELAND, and that Hitler had
attempted to "SYSTEMATICALLY EXTERMINATE" the Jews.

I have never said anything about Jewish persecution since time
immorial! they were conquered several times during their stay in
Israel, by Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, and probably others.

What records of the time (apart from a stela) is there to indicate that
these events, did in fact, take place?
We've got an alleged stela from Egypt.
What archeological evidence do we have? We have nice stories, but nice
stories are for children.

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It is fact proven by Nazi documents that Hitler tried to systemically
exterminate the Jews.

Which Jews? Was he going to go to the US and exterminate the Jews there?
Brazilian Jews? Indian Jews?
You're so PATHETIC. You spout the Holocaustian line VERBATIM.

It's A PROVEN FACT THAT HITLER WAS FINANCED BY **JEWISH BANKERS**.
DEAL WITH IT!
Hitler was a NOBODY and would have remained so.
They NEEDED a "HOLOCAUST"!
The "HOLOCAUST" was PLANNED BEFOREHAND.
http://iamthewitness.com/Crucifixion-of-Jews.html

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That's the story we, the profane masses, are supposed to believe.

The PROBLEM with the story is that THEY ALREADY HAD A HOMELAND.

they may have had a large population in Birobidjan around 1928 but
Birobidjan was not their historic homeland.

The Holocaustian story is that they HAD *NO*, REPEAT: *NO* HOMELAND and
needed *A* JEWISH HOMELAND.
THEY ALREADY *HAD* A HOMELAND.
Birobidjan is MUCH closer to Khazaria than Palestine.
This has NOTHING to do with ALLEGED "historic" homelands.
Do you understand now??
Repeat: THE LIARS SAID THEY HAD **NO** HOMELAND.
COMPRENDE??
They KNEW about this state and they sent it down the memory hole in the
US.
If they were being persecuted AS THEY *CLAIM* then they would have gone
there.

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their historic homeland is
well documented to have been Israel.

In myths and fables, yes. But I'm not 7 yrs old. Sorry. What you
consider "well documented" doesn't hold much water with me.
If maybe you mean dozens of "History Channel" "documentaries" have been
conjured up, then maybe you have a point.
Is that what you mean by "well documented"?

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Would a people who had been through what they SUPPOSEDLY went through
have been so picky as to say... yeaaah, we've just been HOLOCAUSTED
(for the nth time), but, NAAAAAH, we'll take Palestine!

I would not say they have been "holocausted" for the nth time but
because they fought against their conquerors they were probably
decimated multiple times including by the Christian crusaders! as far
as I know, the "Holocaust" refers only to Hitler's efforts. you should
know how they were treated by most of Europe by the Catholic Church
for many centuries...that is, being driven from their homes many
times.

I take it that Jews never persecuted anyone? They've always been
victims. OK. Talmudism preaches love. The goyim just don't understand.
I think this is maybe worth a thread of its own, but right now it's just
a distraction.

Getting back to Birobidjan:
You still don't address the issue I bring up.
Does it MAKE SENSE, that a people supposedly ON THE VERGE OF EXTINCTION
*and* having a homeland at the time decide not to GO THERE?
You yourself like to tell me about the ship that was turned back by the
US.
Why didn't these American Jews who were so pro-Birobidjan not say:
"Wait! There's Birobidjan! Our persecuted brethren can go to THE Jewish
homeland!"

These poor people got the Balfour Declaration promising them Palestine
long before Hitler became a household devil.
These poor Jews foamed at the mouth and called for a holy war against
Germany and they got it.

Germany Must Perish
http://www.iamthewitness.com/GermanyMustPerish.htm

Couldn't they get the US to allow a little ship of Jews in?
Couldn't these poor people get some of their "emissaries" to go pound on
the US President's desk and threaten the President that if he didn't let
the ship of poor Jews in they'd run him out of town?

Let's face it: Israel is a SCAM.

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and you deny the historical facts that the Phillistines/Palestinians
were not Arabs but Greeks...what ancient claim can the current
Palestinians have on Israel?

remember:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_early_palestine_name_origin.php
"Where did the name Palestine come from?

The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean
coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev
desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself
derives from "Plesheth", a name that appears frequently in the Bible
and has come into English as "Philistine". Plesheth, (root palash) was
a general term meaning rolling or migratory. This referred to the
Philistine's invasion and conquest of the coast from the sea. The
Philistines were not Arabs nor even Semites, they were most closely
related to the Greeks originating from Asia Minor and Greek
localities. They did not speak Arabic. They had no connection, ethnic,
linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs.

"The Philistines reached the southern coast of Israel in several
waves. One group arrived in the pre-patriarchal period and settled
south of Beersheba in Gerar where they came into conflict with
Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael. Another group, coming from Crete after
being repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in
1194 BCE, seized the southern coastal area, where they founded five
settlements (Gaza, Ascalon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gat). In the Persian and
Greek periods, foreign settlers - chiefly from the Mediterranean
islands - overran the Philistine districts."

It's all A BIG LIE. That's my point. I had read what's on the
Birobidjan page and my comments STAND. Actually, I'll change what I
just said somewhat: It's all a BUNCH OF BIG LIES! eg Golda Meir
saying a people- less land for a land-less people. LIES. BIG FAT
LIES.

you stand by your source's statement that "Zionists chose not to
acknowledge Birobidjan, the voluntary Jewish homeland (supported by
American Jewry since 1928) of the Jewish Autonomous Region (on the
border of Russia and China)." good but then you ignore it and continue
with your BS claims.

In what way do I ignore it?

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again...they may have had a large population in Birobidjan around 1928
but Birobidjan was not their historic homeland. their historic
homeland is well documented to have been Israel.

Nothing about Israel is "well documented".
There are a lot of fairy tales, but I don't consider that to be
"documentation".

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As far as the Egyptian "proof" you've offered.
Not acceptable as proof of anything other than a stella that
allegedly made a cryptic remark about some "Israel" (who knows WHAT
that meant at the time? Some people claim it (ie "Israel") stands for
Isis + Ra + El).

you deny archeological evidence...why on earth would the Egyptians
have conquered Isis+Ra+El? what a bunch of crap...and you know it. I
suspect that educated (as contrasted to your ignorance) archelogists
would know what "Israel" meant to the ancient Egyptians.

I'm just saying even if the stela says "Israel" what the HELL is that
supposed to mean?

FACT: We *know* that the bible just duplicated many stories (eg the
story of the flood).
FACT: Akhenaten was a monotheist way before Judaism.
Judaism, we're told was the first monotheistic religion.

Obviously, there's NOTHING original in Judaism (except maybe for its
extreme xenophobia coupled with a persecution complex)

"Israel" could have been something *completely* different and
appropriated to mean something else (or translated to a different
peoples).
I think that given the paucity of concrete evidence, it's best to
proceed with caution.
I'm not going to take the "leap of faith" given the Holocaustian
propensity to lie and deceive.

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note the above reference "Another group, coming from Crete after being
repulsed from an attempted invasion of Egypt by Rameses III in 1194
BCE"...more evidence that the Egyptians knew of Israel.

in addition, as mentioned above "In AD 135, after putting down the Bar
Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the
Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman "Provincia
Judaea" and so renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina", the Latin
version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an
administrative unit. The name "Provincia Syria Palaestina" was later
shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized "Palestine"
is derived."

the current Palestinians just have the name because of the Romans!

So friggin what? Who is America named after?
The Palestinians were living there, farming the land, being good care-
takers of that land.
They were NOT terrorists, they were NOT our enemies, but NOW, thanks to
our "ally" we've got a bunch of "enemies".
Thanks, PISS-RA-HELL!

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when are you going to actually read some history about your beloved
Palestine and it real (not your imagined) history?

you have attempted to claim the non-existence of ancient Israel by the
supposed "non-existence" of ancient evidence...again what a bunch of
crap!

A stela that SUPPOSEDLY has a cryptic mention of "Israel".

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I seem to recall also citing archeological evidence of Israel's
existence by the Babylonians. and, of course, the well-known evidence
of Israel's existence by the Romans.

I think there was another stela from somewhere else. Greece maybe?

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Terrorism got you under the weather?
Try Birobidjan. The Jewish Homeland.
http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm

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Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:51 pm

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This is a text group! Why are you putting html markup here?
Take a look at the bottom of this post to see what kind of a mess
you've made! Change your settings, please.

I seriously doubt anyone except you and I read these messages!

Now, getting to your point (which misses the point I made earlier)...
The OFFICIAL Holocaustian story is that the JEWS had been persecuted
since time immemorial, that they had NO HOMELAND, and that Hitler had
attempted to "SYSTEMATICALLY EXTERMINATE" the Jews.

I have never said anything about Jewish persecution since time
immorial! they were conquered several times during their stay in
Israel, by Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, and probably others.

What records of the time (apart from a stela) is there to indicate that
these events, did in fact, take place?
We've got an alleged stela from Egypt.
What archeological evidence do we have? We have nice stories, but nice
stories are for children.

you would not know a stela if someone hit you over your idiotic head with

it.

you constantly allege without proof!

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It is fact proven by Nazi documents that Hitler tried to systemically
exterminate the Jews.

Which Jews? Was he going to go to the US and exterminate the Jews there?
Brazilian Jews? Indian Jews?
You're so PATHETIC. You spout the Holocaustian line VERBATIM.

you are stupid, the Holocaust by Hitler involved the Jews of the countries
he took over.

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It's A PROVEN FACT THAT HITLER WAS FINANCED BY **JEWISH BANKERS**.
DEAL WITH IT!

the world-wide bankers always finance everyone in a war...both sides.

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Hitler was a NOBODY and would have remained so.

not according the the historical records left by the Nazis!

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They NEEDED a "HOLOCAUST"!
The "HOLOCAUST" was PLANNED BEFOREHAND.
http://iamthewitness.com/Crucifixion-of-Jews.html

you are grasping at straws again...stop with your allegations! regarding

things you have no proof about!
>

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This is a text group! Why are you putting html markup here?
Take a look at the bottom of this post to see what kind of a mess
you've made! Change your settings, please.

I seriously doubt anyone except you and I read these messages!

Now, getting to your point (which misses the point I made
earlier)... The OFFICIAL Holocaustian story is that the JEWS had
been persecuted since time immemorial, that they had NO HOMELAND,
and that Hitler had attempted to "SYSTEMATICALLY EXTERMINATE" the
Jews.

I have never said anything about Jewish persecution since time
immorial! they were conquered several times during their stay in
Israel, by Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, and probably others.

What records of the time (apart from a stela) is there to indicate
that these events, did in fact, take place?
We've got an alleged stela from Egypt.
What archeological evidence do we have? We have nice stories, but
nice stories are for children.

you would not know a stela if someone hit you over your idiotic head
with it.

you constantly allege without proof!

I provide evidence, and sometimes proof.

Quote:

It is fact proven by Nazi documents that Hitler tried to
systemically exterminate the Jews.

Which Jews? Was he going to go to the US and exterminate the Jews
there? Brazilian Jews? Indian Jews?
You're so PATHETIC. You spout the Holocaustian line VERBATIM.

you are stupid, the Holocaust by Hitler involved the Jews of the
countries he took over.

So Hitler was going to go around the world to kill all the Jews.
Now *that's* a real devil for ya.
Did he kill his financiers, the Rothschilds?
Did he kill the Jews (many of them top-level) in his military?
Maybe he was just saving them for last, eh?

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It's A PROVEN FACT THAT HITLER WAS FINANCED BY **JEWISH BANKERS**.
DEAL WITH IT!

the world-wide bankers always finance everyone in a war...both sides.

Hitler was a NOBODY and would have remained so.

not according the the historical records left by the Nazis!

They NEEDED a "HOLOCAUST"!
The "HOLOCAUST" was PLANNED BEFOREHAND.

you are grasping at straws again...stop with your allegations!
regarding things you have no proof about!

Now hold on just a cotton pickin' minute here!

I'm making a statement and I'm posting the link to why I say it.
It's evidence, not proof.
FACT: They were already claiming the (eternally persecuted) Jews were in
mortal danger. They're being CRUCIFIED, and IT MUST STOP!
This was before big, bad Hitler made his debut on the Rothschild world
stage.
Yes, ladies and gentlemorons...
the stage was _indeed_ being set for the...
.... dare I say it?
.....THE BIG LIE....

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Do you hate Arabs?
Terrorism got you feeling a bit under the weather?
Try Birobidjan. The Jewish Homeland.
http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm

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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:41 am

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you constantly allege without proof!

I provide evidence, and sometimes proof.

you don't even use your sources correctly...you just cherry-pick

Which Jews? Was he going to go to the US and exterminate the Jews
there? Brazilian Jews? Indian Jews?
You're so PATHETIC. You spout the Holocaustian line VERBATIM.

you are stupid, the Holocaust by Hitler involved the Jews of the
countries he took over.

So Hitler was going to go around the world to kill all the Jews.
Now *that's* a real devil for ya.
Did he kill his financiers, the Rothschilds?
Did he kill the Jews (many of them top-level) in his military?
Maybe he was just saving them for last, eh?

you are getting more stupid every post...did I say anything about Hitler and

the Jews all around the world?

I also said Hitler used some Jews for his own purposes.

I quoted your source regarding his use of Jews for his purposes.

I suspect that if Hitler had gained control of the world as he wanted to do,
he would definitely have continued to exterminate Jews everywhere except
those who had value for him.

Quote:

you are grasping at straws again...stop with your allegations!
regarding things you have no proof about!

Now hold on just a cotton pickin' minute here!

I'm making a statement and I'm posting the link to why I say it.
It's evidence, not proof.
FACT: They were already claiming the (eternally persecuted) Jews were in
mortal danger. They're being CRUCIFIED, and IT MUST STOP!
This was before big, bad Hitler made his debut on the Rothschild world
stage.
Yes, ladies and gentlemorons...
the stage was _indeed_ being set for the...
... dare I say it?
....THE BIG LIE....

you are the one who tries to use the BIG LIE, i.e., your claim that the

Holocaust did not happen!

Quote:

Try Birobidjan. The Jewish Homeland.
http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm

give it up...homeland since 1928 but not before according to your

sources...get a brain, get a life!

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"Ø" <Ø at (no spam) set.null> wrote in message
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you constantly allege without proof!

I provide evidence, and sometimes proof.

you don't even use your sources correctly...you just cherry-pick

Which Jews? Was he going to go to the US and exterminate the Jews
there? Brazilian Jews? Indian Jews?
You're so PATHETIC. You spout the Holocaustian line VERBATIM.

you are stupid, the Holocaust by Hitler involved the Jews of the
countries he took over.

So Hitler was going to go around the world to kill all the Jews.
Now *that's* a real devil for ya.
Did he kill his financiers, the Rothschilds?
Did he kill the Jews (many of them top-level) in his military?
Maybe he was just saving them for last, eh?

you are getting more stupid every post...did I say anything about
Hitler and the Jews all around the world?

I also said Hitler used some Jews for his own purposes.

I quoted your source regarding his use of Jews for his purposes.

I suspect that if Hitler had gained control of the world as he wanted
to do, he would definitely have continued to exterminate Jews
everywhere except those who had value for him.

So you suspect that Hitler would have "continued to exterminate Jews
everywhere" except those he would not "exterminate".
He was going to kill them all, except those he wasn't going to kill.

What about gypsies? Was he going to go around the world and kill
gypsies?

Quote:

you are grasping at straws again...stop with your allegations!
regarding things you have no proof about!

Now hold on just a cotton pickin' minute here!

I'm making a statement and I'm posting the link to why I say it.
It's evidence, not proof.
FACT: They were already claiming the (eternally persecuted) Jews were
in mortal danger. They're being CRUCIFIED, and IT MUST STOP!
This was before big, bad Hitler made his debut on the Rothschild
world stage.
Yes, ladies and gentlemorons...
the stage was _indeed_ being set for the...
... dare I say it?
....THE BIG LIE....

you are the one who tries to use the BIG LIE, i.e., your claim that
the Holocaust did not happen!

So what's *your* take on the 1919 crucifiction?
http://iamthewitness.com/Crucifixion-of-Jews.html

Crucified and holocausted! What a century!

6000000 here, 6000000 there, and pretty soon you're talking real
numbers!

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Let the holy settler in you run wild.
Settler-friendly Birobidjan: The Jewish Homeland.
http://www.tellingfilms.netne.net/birobidjan.htm

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