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| Dave U. Random... |
 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:52 am |
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(Prospect Magazine) - Stockhausen and Penderecki, whose
works are now as old as “Rock Around the Clock,” have not
been assimilated into the classical canon in the way that
Ravel and Stravinsky have. When someone like Joe Queenan
has earnestly tried and failed to appreciate this “new”
music http://xrl.us/Queenan , it’s fair to ask what the
problem is.
David Stubbs considers this important question in "Fear of
Music" (Amazon.com: http://xrl.us/FearMusic ), but doesn’t
come close to answering it. His speculative suggestion—that
musical performance lacks an “original object” that, in the
case of visual art, may become the subject of veneration or
trade—clearly has little force, given that it applies
equally to Beethoven and Birtwistle. Indeed, Stubbs’s
analysis is part of the problem rather than the solution.
Like economists trying to understand market crashes, he
wants to place all the motive forces outside the system:
his gaze never fixes on the music itself. To Stubbs, our
responses to music are determined by our context and
perspective, not by what we actually hear. His comparison
of visual and musical art takes no account of how the two
are processed in cognitive terms..
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| Skill Fragments... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:14 pm |
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Dave U. Random wrote:
Quote: (Prospect Magazine) - Stockhausen and Penderecki, whose
works are now as old as "Rock Around the Clock," have not
been assimilated into the classical canon in the way that
Ravel and Stravinsky have.
Idiot. Most Stravinsky is absolutely nowhere near 'the classical canon':
when the hell did you last hear a music-lover say they were dying to hear
another performance of anything by him except for the early ballets? "Oooh,
I really hope they put 'Oedipus Rex' on this season! Or 'Jeu des Cartes'! Or
'Requiem Canticles'! Or 'Threni'! Or 'Abraham and Isaac' -- I just *love
it*! Or that incredible piece for flute, clarinet and harp that takes 53
seconds!"
And maybe Stockhausen and Penderecki are just *shit composers* -- with
nothing to say, and not much of a language to say it in...
SF. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:51 am |
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"Skill Fragments" <Skill Fragments at (no spam) ech.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Dave U. Random wrote:
(Prospect Magazine) - Stockhausen and Penderecki, whose
works are now as old as "Rock Around the Clock," have not
been assimilated into the classical canon in the way that
Ravel and Stravinsky have.
Idiot. Most Stravinsky is absolutely nowhere near 'the classical canon':
when the hell did you last hear a music-lover say they were dying to hear
another performance of anything by him except for the early ballets? "Oooh,
I really hope they put 'Oedipus Rex' on this season! Or 'Jeu des Cartes'! Or
'Requiem Canticles'! Or 'Threni'! Or 'Abraham and Isaac' -- I just *love
it*! Or that incredible piece for flute, clarinet and harp that takes 53
seconds!"
And maybe Stockhausen and Penderecki are just *shit composers* -- with
nothing to say, and not much of a language to say it in...
I agree with most of this but why did you feel the need for the
first word? People whom you disagree with are not necessarily idiots.
People who are flat-out wrong are not necessarily idiots.
Amazing.
Charlie
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All the world's a stage, and most
of us are desperately unrehearsed. Sean O'Casey |
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| Jack Campin - bogus address... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:30 pm |
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csampson at (no spam) inetworld.net (Charles H. Sampson) wrote:
Quote: "Skill Fragments" <Skill Fragments at (no spam) ech.co.uk> wrote:
Dave U. Random wrote:
(Prospect Magazine) [...]
Idiot. [...]
I agree with most of this but why did you feel the need for the
first word? People whom you disagree with are not necessarily idiots.
In this instance, "malicious hacker" would be nearer the mark.
The posting was from an anonymized account and it linked to a
shortened URL - no way for anyone clicking on it to know if it
did in fact lead to something on Prospect Magazine's site, and
no way to identify the poster.
I suspect you'd hit a malware download if you followed that.
==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === <http://www.campin.me.uk> ====
Jack Campin, 11 Third St, Newtongrange EH22 4PU, Scotland == mob 07800 739 557
CD-ROMs and free stuff: Scottish music, food intolerance, and Mac logic fonts
****** I killfile Google posts - email me if you want to be whitelisted ****** |
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| Samuel Vriezen... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:20 pm |
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I got this book because of its great title but found it very disappointing in
the end. Actually Stubbs doesn't give any serious analysis of the question in
the title at all; he gives you lots of snippets of interesting stuff from music
and art history, which is somewhat entertaining to read. Only in the last
chapter do you find an attempt at analysis, but it's pretty basic. |
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