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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:51 pm
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:28:27 -0400, "*ernie"
<alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

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"Loki" <cubby77267 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:41:40 -0700 (PDT), "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Cooney was the 'Great White Hype', beating up a bunch of has beens and
never was's. Probably his best fight was the Holmes fight, low-blows
and all. Holmes would never be on anyone's list of 'greatest ever',
for sure, but he would have been remembered in a better light if he
hadn't re-acted like a bitch after the Spinks fights.

Holmes would be in the top 5, if not higher on the "greatest list" of
anyone who knows anything about boxing.

He was champion for 7 years, defended the title more than anyone else
save Joe Louis, had one of the best jabs in heavyweight history, and
could take the best shots of some of the hardest hitters in history.

I rank him as number three of all time behind only Ali and Louis, and
am not sure that he shouldn't be higher.


In no particular order:

1) Sonny Liston
2) Muhammed Ali
3) Joe Frazier
4) Ken Norton
5) George Foreman
6) Mike Tyson


Each of these fighters in his prime could beat Larry Holmes in his prime. I
wouldn't be so stupid as to include fighters I never saw and could only go
by reputation and film clips, so I ommitted names like Joe Louis and Rocky
Marciano. It's nice to have a real oldtimer like yourself posting to the
group who saw these old greats and can share firsthand knowledge of these
boxing icons.

Who you calling old? ;)

DCI
 
Loki...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:04 pm
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:28:27 -0400, "*ernie"
<alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

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"Loki" <cubby77267 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:41:40 -0700 (PDT), "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Cooney was the 'Great White Hype', beating up a bunch of has beens and
never was's. Probably his best fight was the Holmes fight, low-blows
and all. Holmes would never be on anyone's list of 'greatest ever',
for sure, but he would have been remembered in a better light if he
hadn't re-acted like a bitch after the Spinks fights.

Holmes would be in the top 5, if not higher on the "greatest list" of
anyone who knows anything about boxing.

He was champion for 7 years, defended the title more than anyone else
save Joe Louis, had one of the best jabs in heavyweight history, and
could take the best shots of some of the hardest hitters in history.

I rank him as number three of all time behind only Ali and Louis, and
am not sure that he shouldn't be higher.


In no particular order:

1) Sonny Liston
2) Muhammed Ali
3) Joe Frazier
4) Ken Norton

Ken Norton, in his prime, lost to Larry Holmes while Holmes was still
on his way up.

So much for your list.

Return to the children's table.
 
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:16 pm
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:04:58 -0700, Loki <cubby77267 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:

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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:28:27 -0400, "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:


"Loki" <cubby77267 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:41:40 -0700 (PDT), "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Cooney was the 'Great White Hype', beating up a bunch of has beens and
never was's. Probably his best fight was the Holmes fight, low-blows
and all. Holmes would never be on anyone's list of 'greatest ever',
for sure, but he would have been remembered in a better light if he
hadn't re-acted like a bitch after the Spinks fights.

Holmes would be in the top 5, if not higher on the "greatest list" of
anyone who knows anything about boxing.

He was champion for 7 years, defended the title more than anyone else
save Joe Louis, had one of the best jabs in heavyweight history, and
could take the best shots of some of the hardest hitters in history.

I rank him as number three of all time behind only Ali and Louis, and
am not sure that he shouldn't be higher.


In no particular order:

1) Sonny Liston
2) Muhammed Ali
3) Joe Frazier
4) Ken Norton

Ken Norton, in his prime, lost to Larry Holmes while Holmes was still
on his way up.

So much for your list.

Return to the children's table.

And the Old Pappa Bear Liston would've been hung there on Larry Holmes
beautiful jab. Liston would have cried for help, "Get me outta here."

DCI
 
Ruddell...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 10:21 pm
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:16:07 -0600, never at (no spam) millions.com wrote
(in article <bf5ld5dtp92cvlsu9vtobumne5q0ghcpah at (no spam) 4ax.com>):

Quote:

And the Old Pappa Bear Liston would've been hung there on Larry Holmes
beautiful jab. Liston would have cried for help, "Get me outta here."


I think the only modern day fighter who would have beaten Holmes would have
been Lennox and even he would had a tough time with him. Larry was a machine
by all means...


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Cheers!

Dennis

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*ernie...
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:18 am
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:28:27 -0400, "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:


"Loki" <cubby77267 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:41:40 -0700 (PDT), "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Cooney was the 'Great White Hype', beating up a bunch of has beens and
never was's. Probably his best fight was the Holmes fight, low-blows
and all. Holmes would never be on anyone's list of 'greatest ever',
for sure, but he would have been remembered in a better light if he
hadn't re-acted like a bitch after the Spinks fights.

Holmes would be in the top 5, if not higher on the "greatest list" of
anyone who knows anything about boxing.

He was champion for 7 years, defended the title more than anyone else
save Joe Louis, had one of the best jabs in heavyweight history, and
could take the best shots of some of the hardest hitters in history.

I rank him as number three of all time behind only Ali and Louis, and
am not sure that he shouldn't be higher.


In no particular order:

1) Sonny Liston
2) Muhammed Ali
3) Joe Frazier
4) Ken Norton
5) George Foreman
6) Mike Tyson


Each of these fighters in his prime could beat Larry Holmes in his prime.
I
wouldn't be so stupid as to include fighters I never saw and could only go
by reputation and film clips, so I ommitted names like Joe Louis and Rocky
Marciano. It's nice to have a real oldtimer like yourself posting to the
group who saw these old greats and can share firsthand knowledge of these
boxing icons.

Who you calling old? ;)

DCI



My figuring is he must be at least 80. That would at least put him in the
line for the glue factory. Still, I always enjoy reading about the 'good old
days'





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alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com
 
Ruddell...
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:23 am
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:51:11 -0600, never at (no spam) millions.com wrote
(in article <f2mkd5pl94av06178mt7oaggu0sin3e30u at (no spam) 4ax.com>):

Quote:
On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:28:27 -0400, "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:


"Loki" <cubby77267 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:olcid5l0ik1k8dvb63lgasloa9uqok4kd1 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:41:40 -0700 (PDT), "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Cooney was the 'Great White Hype', beating up a bunch of has beens and
never was's. Probably his best fight was the Holmes fight, low-blows
and all. Holmes would never be on anyone's list of 'greatest ever',
for sure, but he would have been remembered in a better light if he
hadn't re-acted like a bitch after the Spinks fights.

Holmes would be in the top 5, if not higher on the "greatest list" of
anyone who knows anything about boxing.

He was champion for 7 years, defended the title more than anyone else
save Joe Louis, had one of the best jabs in heavyweight history, and
could take the best shots of some of the hardest hitters in history.

I rank him as number three of all time behind only Ali and Louis, and
am not sure that he shouldn't be higher.


In no particular order:

1) Sonny Liston
2) Muhammed Ali
3) Joe Frazier
4) Ken Norton
5) George Foreman
6) Mike Tyson


Each of these fighters in his prime could beat Larry Holmes in his prime. I
wouldn't be so stupid as to include fighters I never saw and could only go
by reputation and film clips, so I ommitted names like Joe Louis and Rocky
Marciano. It's nice to have a real oldtimer like yourself posting to the
group who saw these old greats and can share firsthand knowledge of these
boxing icons.

Who you calling old? Wink


Don't worry DC, you're still a spring chicken ;-)


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Cheers!

Dennis

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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:21 pm
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:23:54 -0600, Ruddell
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:51:11 -0600, never at (no spam) millions.com wrote
(in article <f2mkd5pl94av06178mt7oaggu0sin3e30u at (no spam) 4ax.com>):

On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:28:27 -0400, "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:


"Loki" <cubby77267 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:olcid5l0ik1k8dvb63lgasloa9uqok4kd1 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:41:40 -0700 (PDT), "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Cooney was the 'Great White Hype', beating up a bunch of has beens and
never was's. Probably his best fight was the Holmes fight, low-blows
and all. Holmes would never be on anyone's list of 'greatest ever',
for sure, but he would have been remembered in a better light if he
hadn't re-acted like a bitch after the Spinks fights.

Holmes would be in the top 5, if not higher on the "greatest list" of
anyone who knows anything about boxing.

He was champion for 7 years, defended the title more than anyone else
save Joe Louis, had one of the best jabs in heavyweight history, and
could take the best shots of some of the hardest hitters in history.

I rank him as number three of all time behind only Ali and Louis, and
am not sure that he shouldn't be higher.


In no particular order:

1) Sonny Liston
2) Muhammed Ali
3) Joe Frazier
4) Ken Norton
5) George Foreman
6) Mike Tyson


Each of these fighters in his prime could beat Larry Holmes in his prime. I
wouldn't be so stupid as to include fighters I never saw and could only go
by reputation and film clips, so I ommitted names like Joe Louis and Rocky
Marciano. It's nice to have a real oldtimer like yourself posting to the
group who saw these old greats and can share firsthand knowledge of these
boxing icons.

Who you calling old? ;)


Don't worry DC, you're still a spring chicken Wink

Dennis, the "spring" has sprung!

DCI
 
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:22 pm
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:18:25 -0400, "*ernie"
<alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

never at (no spam) millions.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:28:27 -0400, "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:


"Loki" <cubby77267 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:41:40 -0700 (PDT), "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Cooney was the 'Great White Hype', beating up a bunch of has beens and
never was's. Probably his best fight was the Holmes fight, low-blows
and all. Holmes would never be on anyone's list of 'greatest ever',
for sure, but he would have been remembered in a better light if he
hadn't re-acted like a bitch after the Spinks fights.

Holmes would be in the top 5, if not higher on the "greatest list" of
anyone who knows anything about boxing.

He was champion for 7 years, defended the title more than anyone else
save Joe Louis, had one of the best jabs in heavyweight history, and
could take the best shots of some of the hardest hitters in history.

I rank him as number three of all time behind only Ali and Louis, and
am not sure that he shouldn't be higher.


In no particular order:

1) Sonny Liston
2) Muhammed Ali
3) Joe Frazier
4) Ken Norton
5) George Foreman
6) Mike Tyson


Each of these fighters in his prime could beat Larry Holmes in his prime.
I
wouldn't be so stupid as to include fighters I never saw and could only go
by reputation and film clips, so I ommitted names like Joe Louis and Rocky
Marciano. It's nice to have a real oldtimer like yourself posting to the
group who saw these old greats and can share firsthand knowledge of these
boxing icons.

Who you calling old? ;)

DCI



My figuring is he must be at least 80. That would at least put him in the
line for the glue factory. Still, I always enjoy reading about the 'good old
days'

Ernie, glue factory?! What in hell do think is holding me together? :)

DCI
 
*ernie...
Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:43 pm
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:18:25 -0400, "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:


never at (no spam) millions.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:28:27 -0400, "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:


"Loki" <cubby77267 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:41:40 -0700 (PDT), "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Cooney was the 'Great White Hype', beating up a bunch of has beens and
never was's. Probably his best fight was the Holmes fight, low-blows
and all. Holmes would never be on anyone's list of 'greatest ever',
for sure, but he would have been remembered in a better light if he
hadn't re-acted like a bitch after the Spinks fights.

Holmes would be in the top 5, if not higher on the "greatest list" of
anyone who knows anything about boxing.

He was champion for 7 years, defended the title more than anyone else
save Joe Louis, had one of the best jabs in heavyweight history, and
could take the best shots of some of the hardest hitters in history.

I rank him as number three of all time behind only Ali and Louis, and
am not sure that he shouldn't be higher.


In no particular order:

1) Sonny Liston
2) Muhammed Ali
3) Joe Frazier
4) Ken Norton
5) George Foreman
6) Mike Tyson


Each of these fighters in his prime could beat Larry Holmes in his
prime.
I
wouldn't be so stupid as to include fighters I never saw and could only
go
by reputation and film clips, so I ommitted names like Joe Louis and
Rocky
Marciano. It's nice to have a real oldtimer like yourself posting to the
group who saw these old greats and can share firsthand knowledge of
these
boxing icons.

Who you calling old? ;)

DCI



My figuring is he must be at least 80. That would at least put him in the
line for the glue factory. Still, I always enjoy reading about the 'good
old
days'

Ernie, glue factory?! What in hell do think is holding me together? :)

DCI





Sorry, no insult to you intended. It's a pleasure to meet and correspond
with a gentleman. I have no doubt that you still have a lot of miles left
and much to offer.





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ernie k.
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com
 
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:36 pm
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 21:43:58 -0400, "*ernie"
<alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

Quote:

never at (no spam) millions.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:18:25 -0400, "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:


never at (no spam) millions.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:28:27 -0400, "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:


"Loki" <cubby77267 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:41:40 -0700 (PDT), "*ernie"
alreadydeleted9 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Cooney was the 'Great White Hype', beating up a bunch of has beens and
never was's. Probably his best fight was the Holmes fight, low-blows
and all. Holmes would never be on anyone's list of 'greatest ever',
for sure, but he would have been remembered in a better light if he
hadn't re-acted like a bitch after the Spinks fights.

Holmes would be in the top 5, if not higher on the "greatest list" of
anyone who knows anything about boxing.

He was champion for 7 years, defended the title more than anyone else
save Joe Louis, had one of the best jabs in heavyweight history, and
could take the best shots of some of the hardest hitters in history.

I rank him as number three of all time behind only Ali and Louis, and
am not sure that he shouldn't be higher.


In no particular order:

1) Sonny Liston
2) Muhammed Ali
3) Joe Frazier
4) Ken Norton
5) George Foreman
6) Mike Tyson


Each of these fighters in his prime could beat Larry Holmes in his
prime.
I
wouldn't be so stupid as to include fighters I never saw and could only
go
by reputation and film clips, so I ommitted names like Joe Louis and
Rocky
Marciano. It's nice to have a real oldtimer like yourself posting to the
group who saw these old greats and can share firsthand knowledge of
these
boxing icons.

Who you calling old? ;)

DCI



My figuring is he must be at least 80. That would at least put him in the
line for the glue factory. Still, I always enjoy reading about the 'good
old
days'

Ernie, glue factory?! What in hell do think is holding me together? :)

DCI


Sorry, no insult to you intended. It's a pleasure to meet and correspond
with a gentleman. I have no doubt that you still have a lot of miles left
and much to offer.

I appreciate the kind words. As to the miles, that's getting bit
tough. But what the hell, I knew that going in. I think I did.

Hell, let's get back to babbling on about boxing, OK? We have world-
wide participants, and those folks add a very good and valuable
dimension to the discussion, etc.

Take good care of yourself.

DCI
 
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:17 am
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On Oct 17, 5:28 pm, "*ernie" <alreadydelet... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
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On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:41:40 -0700 (PDT), "*ernie"
alreadydelet... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Cooney was the 'Great White Hype', beating up a bunch of has beens and
never was's. Probably his best fight was the Holmes fight, low-blows
and all. Holmes would never be on anyone's list of 'greatest ever',
for sure, but he would have been remembered in a better light if he
hadn't re-acted like a bitch after the Spinks fights.

Holmes would be in the top 5, if not higher on the "greatest list" of
anyone who knows anything about boxing.

He was champion for 7 years, defended the title more than anyone else
save Joe Louis, had one of the best jabs in heavyweight history, and
could take the best shots of some of the hardest hitters in history.

I rank him as number three of all time behind only Ali and Louis, and
am not sure that he shouldn't be higher.

In no particular order:

1) Sonny Liston
2) Muhammed Ali
3) Joe Frazier
4) Ken Norton
5) George Foreman
6) Mike Tyson

Each of these fighters in his prime could beat Larry Holmes in his prime. I
wouldn't be so stupid as to include fighters I never saw and could only go
by reputation and film clips, so I ommitted names like Joe Louis and Rocky
Marciano. It's nice to have a real oldtimer like yourself posting to the
group who saw these old greats and can share firsthand knowledge of these
boxing icons.

--
ernie k.
alreadydelet... at (no spam) hotmail.com

He beat Norton when Norton was in his prime. You fail. Personally I
have Holmes at number three behind Ali and Louis. There is no way I
would put anybody above him other than those two.
 
Dan L...
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:51 am
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Cooney is not overrated as far as white guys go, If he were Black he
would have just been another fighter.
 
 
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