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| Eileen... |
 Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:22 pm |
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ALL disciplines have abuses. They vary according to the goals of the
specific discipline, but ALL have them.
It is not useful to anyone when the YOUR discipline is more horrid
than MY discipline discussions get going. Instead, we should ask
ourselves and discuss with each other what we see right and wrong
within our various houses, and support with our dollars those who do
as we want done.
I am on a QH list serve and currently there has been a HUGE discussion
about how to reduce and eliminate abusive practices. My eventing list
serves often have discussions about proper management and horse
centered training.
When things are abusive we have different classifications at different
levels: At the upper levels a lot of folks do what they think it will
take to win (and are often rewarded for this) no matter how appalling
the horse sterwardship is; in the middle levels you get the wannabees
and buy the rides and pay for the short cuts people; and at the bottom
you just have ignorance, bad riding, and bad training.
Now, I also think at all levels you have folks of good conscience who
are doing the best they can in the most horse centered way that they
know how. THOSE are the people we need to single out, applaud, and
encourage.
Eileen Morgan
The Mare's Nest
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| betsey... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:24 pm |
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On Nov 1, 9:22 pm, Eileen <e... at (no spam) enter.net> wrote:
Quote: ALL disciplines have abuses. They vary according to the goals of the
specific discipline, but ALL have them.
It is not useful to anyone when the YOUR discipline is more horrid
than MY discipline discussions get going. Instead, we should ask
ourselves and discuss with each other what we see right and wrong
within our various houses, and support with our dollars those who do
as we want done.
I am on a QH list serve and currently there has been a HUGE discussion
about how to reduce and eliminate abusive practices. My eventing list
serves often have discussions about proper management and horse
centered training.
When things are abusive we have different classifications at different
levels: At the upper levels a lot of folks do what they think it will
take to win (and are often rewarded for this) no matter how appalling
the horse sterwardship is; in the middle levels you get the wannabees
and buy the rides and pay for the short cuts people; and at the bottom
you just have ignorance, bad riding, and bad training.
Now, I also think at all levels you have folks of good conscience who
are doing the best they can in the most horse centered way that they
know how. THOSE are the people we need to single out, applaud, and
encourage.
Eileen Morgan
The Mare's Nesthttp://www.themaresnest.com
well written. what she said. |
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| Dawn J-L... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:43 pm |
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On Nov 1, 9:24 pm, betsey <twoxo... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Quote: On Nov 1, 9:22 pm, Eileen <e... at (no spam) enter.net> wrote:
ALL disciplines have abuses. They vary according to the goals of the
specific discipline, but ALL have them.
It is not useful to anyone when the YOUR discipline is more horrid
than MY discipline discussions get going. Instead, we should ask
ourselves and discuss with each other what we see right and wrong
within our various houses, and support with our dollars those who do
as we want done.
I am on a QH list serve and currently there has been a HUGE discussion
about how to reduce and eliminate abusive practices. My eventing list
serves often have discussions about proper management and horse
centered training.
When things are abusive we have different classifications at different
levels: At the upper levels a lot of folks do what they think it will
take to win (and are often rewarded for this) no matter how appalling
the horse sterwardship is; in the middle levels you get the wannabees
and buy the rides and pay for the short cuts people; and at the bottom
you just have ignorance, bad riding, and bad training.
Now, I also think at all levels you have folks of good conscience who
are doing the best they can in the most horse centered way that they
know how. THOSE are the people we need to single out, applaud, and
encourage.
Eileen Morgan
The Mare's Nesthttp://www.themaresnest.com
well written. what she said.
Yup. Well said by a true horsewoman.
Dawn JL |
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| AKogler... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:45 pm |
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On Nov 1, 6:22 pm, Eileen <e... at (no spam) enter.net> wrote:
Quote: ALL disciplines have abuses. They vary according to the goals of the
specific discipline, but ALL have them.
It is not useful to anyone when the YOUR discipline is more horrid
than MY discipline discussions get going. Instead, we should ask
ourselves and discuss with each other what we see right and wrong
within our various houses, and support with our dollars those who do
as we want done.
I am on a QH list serve and currently there has been a HUGE discussion
about how to reduce and eliminate abusive practices. My eventing list
serves often have discussions about proper management and horse
centered training.
What do the AQHA people say? I have read some of the sites and they
all seem to think its ok >;-/ Its like the TW people..'leave us alone'
is the motto. Do they boycott certain judges? or ?
Quote: When things are abusive we have different classifications at different
levels: At the upper levels a lot of folks do what they think it will
take to win (and are often rewarded for this) no matter how appalling
the horse sterwardship is; in the middle levels you get the wannabees
and buy the rides and pay for the short cuts people; and at the bottom
you just have ignorance, bad riding, and bad training.
Now, I also think at all levels you have folks of good conscience who
are doing the best they can in the most horse centered way that they
know how. THOSE are the people we need to single out, applaud, and
encourage.
Yes. I admit that I get very disgusted when I drive home and see the
crips shuffling along with their heads in. I would be very glad to
hear that there are AQHA people who see the problem.
Anyway, how is Dolly?!
Abby |
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| Eileen... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:46 pm |
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On Nov 1, 9:45 pm, AKogler <akog... at (no spam) san.rr.com> wrote:
Quote: On Nov 1, 6:22 pm, Eileen <e... at (no spam) enter.net> wrote:
I am on a QH list serve and currently there has been a HUGE discussion
about how to reduce and eliminate abusive practices.
What do the AQHA people say? I have read some of the sites and they
all seem to think its ok >;-/ Its like the TW people..'leave us alone'
is the motto. Do they boycott certain judges? or ?
They are writing in to the AQHA to pressure them about rewarding or
ignoring abusive trainers. They are discussing abuse cases that they
know of and which trainers to boycott (carefully)--vote with your
dollars kind of thing. A lot of agreeing that they need to continue to
make sure the good old abusive boys are not kept in a bubble of
protection. They are talking about how they can use cell phone cameras
and such to help make abuse more public.
Quote: Yes. I admit that I get very disgusted when I drive home and see the
crips shuffling along with their heads in. I would be very glad to
hear that there are AQHA people who see the problem.
Look, some of these guys are gently trained to shuffle along in a low
headed way. Belles has a WP jog to die for when asked, and Baby
certainly has a nice little jog and lope and is very comfortable doing
them with Carl all sloppy up there.  I don't care for harsh methods
to set a head or slow a horse, but I really think that when they have
been selectively bred for a natural slow step, and tactfully trained,
there is nothing particularly more horrid about a Western pleasure
horse than anything else--look at all the dressage horses with their
crappy hocks and back troubles, the joint issues in all the jumping
horses, etc. WP's a heck of a lot less wear and tear than many other
disciplines when the horse is allowed to mature before going to work--
I think the focus on the young horse stuff is a problem, but then, I
have a problem with the Young Event Horse competitions, also. And the
two year and three year old racing industry, and the work load I've
known many a hunter under the age of five to have done, and so forth.
Quote: Anyway, how is Dolly?!
Bad CBC results. Anemic, couple of things about 50% of normal, no
clear sense of diagnosis. She's cleared some of what the CBC values
would indicate and nothing else in her presentation suggests the other
choices which would seem to be indicated by her bloodwork.
It's a puzzle. Vet will be out again tomorrow. This is three visits in
four days for the old bag. Her temp has been down to normal ranges so
we are hoping to sedate and get in there and discover if there are
indeed tooth problems in play.
Eileen Morgan
The Mare's Nest
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| Eileen... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:51 pm |
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On Nov 1, 9:57 pm, "Cricket" <cricketc... at (no spam) wmis.net> wrote:
Quote: Some issues can be fixed by not asking for more and more past the functional
level...some may just have to be rethought completely (heavy shod walkers
and WP as it now exists are the two I'm thinking of). Those are things that
can't be achieved without damage.
I see the goofy shod TWH stuff as abusive by definition, but I also
think that the flat shod horses who compete are not abusive and still
fall under the classification of TWH competition. We just need that
part of the scene to grow and the other to disappear. But yes, I agree
that there are many problems in the gaited horse world, as well as any
showing which has halter only without regard to performance.
Eileen Morgan
The Mare's Nest
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| Cricket... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:57 pm |
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"Eileen" <egm1 at (no spam) enter.net> wrote in message
news:d650bab5-1289-496a-a8fe-d35e576fcbb4 at (no spam) b18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Quote: ALL disciplines have abuses. They vary according to the goals of the
specific discipline, but ALL have them.
It is not useful to anyone when the YOUR discipline is more horrid
than MY discipline discussions get going. Instead, we should ask
ourselves and discuss with each other what we see right and wrong
within our various houses, and support with our dollars those who do
as we want done.
I am on a QH list serve and currently there has been a HUGE discussion
about how to reduce and eliminate abusive practices. My eventing list
serves often have discussions about proper management and horse
centered training.
When things are abusive we have different classifications at different
levels: At the upper levels a lot of folks do what they think it will
take to win (and are often rewarded for this) no matter how appalling
the horse sterwardship is; in the middle levels you get the wannabees
and buy the rides and pay for the short cuts people; and at the bottom
you just have ignorance, bad riding, and bad training.
Now, I also think at all levels you have folks of good conscience who
are doing the best they can in the most horse centered way that they
know how. THOSE are the people we need to single out, applaud, and
encourage.
Eileen Morgan
The Mare's Nest
http://www.themaresnest.com
I think true up to a point - though there is a difference between things
that can't be achieved without harm to the horse, no matter the training
methods, and things which can be non-abusive if people bother to train
correctly and select the horse for the job.
Some issues can be fixed by not asking for more and more past the functional
level...some may just have to be rethought completely (heavy shod walkers
and WP as it now exists are the two I'm thinking of). Those are things that
can't be achieved without damage. H/J at the heights used in most shows can
be done without damage, and enjoyed by the right horses - the fix for that
sort of issue is somewhat different, I think.
Cricket |
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