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| Twibil... |
 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:59 am |
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On Oct 28, 2:09 pm, pv+use... at (no spam) pobox.com (PV) wrote:
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Filtering is done on size, so large postings to non-binary groups can
easily be dropped. Encoded binaries tend to be a little more than double
No, it's not. It's done on the type of data AND size. *
Bingo. Google does the same thing. Dumps not just the attachment, but
the rest of the post as well.
Every other news server I've ever used has done exactly the same
thing.
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| David Nebenzahl... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:39 pm |
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On 10/28/2009 4:28 AM Calvin Henry-Cotnam spake thus:
Quote: Since I kept the image as small as possible, I doubt many servers
dropped it.
I never saw that message: did you post it here?
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blowing Wall Street, using the media as a condom?
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| PV... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:06 pm |
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David Nebenzahl <nobody at (no spam) but.us.chickens> writes:
Quote: Well, crap, way to put something up with a limited lifespan.
Not to worry: it's still there. Turns out that Oct. 26th wasn't the
"drop dead" date that Yahoo! had intimated: all the Geoshitties stuff is
still up there. They're in a transition phase where people are
redirecting their pages to new URLs.
Nope, it's gone. *
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* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
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| PV... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 3:09 pm |
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Calvin Henry-Cotnam <calvin at (no spam) remove.daxack.ca.invalid> writes:
Quote: David Nebenzahl (nobody at (no spam) but.us.chickens) said...
Not true (at least in most cases): see attached (small) .gif. Do you see
it? There's nothing magic about "non-binary" Usenet groups; most servers
don't care about the difference (although the ISP may well simply decide
not to carry any binary groups).
As you can see from the double quotes, your message created a nice little
hole in the thread. Giganews simply threw the message on the floor.
Quote: Exactly. Binary attachments must be encoded into printable text, so there
is really nothing special about postings with such an attachment, other
than the fact the text does not have any actual words in it.
You underestimate how thorough they are. Supernews before they became
giganews did the same thing - if you posted anything that turned into a
file, it went poof.
Quote: Filtering is done on size, so large postings to non-binary groups can
easily be dropped. Encoded binaries tend to be a little more than double
No, it's not. It's done on the type of data AND size. *
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* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
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| The Seabat... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:06 pm |
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:28:11 -0400, Calvin Henry-Cotnam
<calvin at (no spam) remove.daxack.ca.invalid> wrote:
Quote: David Nebenzahl (nobody at (no spam) but.us.chickens) said...
On 10/27/2009 12:04 PM PV spake thus:
Calvin Henry-Cotnam <calvin at (no spam) remove.daxack.ca.invalid> writes:
Forgive me for posting a binary to this group, but I will follow this
posting with one with a 75 dpi scan (18k in size) to jog memories.
It's not a matter of forgive - there's hardly a usenet provider on earth
that won't either drop the binary part of cancel your post entirely if you
put a binary in a non-binary group. Don't even try - nobody will see it. *
Not true (at least in most cases): see attached (small) .gif. Do you see
it? There's nothing magic about "non-binary" Usenet groups; most servers
don't care about the difference (although the ISP may well simply decide
not to carry any binary groups).
Exactly. Binary attachments must be encoded into printable text, so there
is really nothing special about postings with such an attachment, other
than the fact the text does not have any actual words in it.
Filtering is done on size, so large postings to non-binary groups can
easily be dropped. Encoded binaries tend to be a little more than double
the size of the original binary file (because a byte is represented by
two Ascii characters and lines end with CR and/or LF characters), so it
doesn't take much to hit the limit. Since I kept the image as small as
possible, I doubt many servers dropped it.
Astraweb dropped it like a hot potato, dude! Seems you are in error!
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Filtering GoogleGroups & Goobers with extreme prejudice!
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| Wolf K... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:31 pm |
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The Seabat wrote:
Quote: On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:28:11 -0400, Calvin Henry-Cotnam
calvin at (no spam) remove.daxack.ca.invalid> wrote:
David Nebenzahl (nobody at (no spam) but.us.chickens) said...
On 10/27/2009 12:04 PM PV spake thus:
Calvin Henry-Cotnam <calvin at (no spam) remove.daxack.ca.invalid> writes:
Forgive me for posting a binary to this group, but I will follow this
posting with one with a 75 dpi scan (18k in size) to jog memories.
It's not a matter of forgive - there's hardly a usenet provider on earth
that won't either drop the binary part of cancel your post entirely if you
put a binary in a non-binary group. Don't even try - nobody will see it. *
Not true (at least in most cases): see attached (small) .gif. Do you see
it? There's nothing magic about "non-binary" Usenet groups; most servers
don't care about the difference (although the ISP may well simply decide
not to carry any binary groups).
Exactly. Binary attachments must be encoded into printable text, so there
is really nothing special about postings with such an attachment, other
than the fact the text does not have any actual words in it.
Filtering is done on size, so large postings to non-binary groups can
easily be dropped. Encoded binaries tend to be a little more than double
the size of the original binary file (because a byte is represented by
two Ascii characters and lines end with CR and/or LF characters), so it
doesn't take much to hit the limit. Since I kept the image as small as
possible, I doubt many servers dropped it.
Astraweb dropped it like a hot potato, dude! Seems you are in error!
Mine provided it.
wolf k. |
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| David Nebenzahl... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:24 am |
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On 10/28/2009 4:31 PM Wolf K spake thus:
Quote: The Seabat wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:28:11 -0400, Calvin Henry-Cotnam
calvin at (no spam) remove.daxack.ca.invalid> wrote:
Exactly. Binary attachments must be encoded into printable text, so there
is really nothing special about postings with such an attachment, other
than the fact the text does not have any actual words in it.
Filtering is done on size, so large postings to non-binary groups can
easily be dropped. Encoded binaries tend to be a little more than double
the size of the original binary file (because a byte is represented by
two Ascii characters and lines end with CR and/or LF characters), so it
doesn't take much to hit the limit. Since I kept the image as small as
possible, I doubt many servers dropped it.
Astraweb dropped it like a hot potato, dude! Seems you are in error!
Mine provided it.
So did mine. So let's see what we have so far: a list of which Usenet
providers retain binaries:
Verizon (my provider): yes
Newshosting.com (Wolf K's provider): yes
Astraweb: no
Giganews: no
Perhaps others can add to the list. As you can see, the situation is far
from one where all Usenet providers strip out binaries from "non-binary"
(or all) newsgroups.
And I'm not even including Google Groups, which is not even a proper
Usenet provider, but instead is a web based spam portal.
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blowing Wall Street, using the media as a condom?
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