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| don (Calgary)... |
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:05 pm |
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The controversial Joe Arpaio is back in the news, even up here.
One of our local radio talk shows has Joe as a guest on a regular
basis. Today they were talking about his latest pissing contest with
ICE.
My question has nothing to do with that. I am curious as to who has
jurisdiction for policing a defined area. Joe is the Sheriff for
Maricopa County, which is a large area that includes Phoenix among
other cities. Phoenix has their own police force. Joe seemed to have
little respect for the Phoenix police and tended to brag about sending
his deputies into Phoenix on various raids.
So which organization has jurisdiction inside the city limits of
Phoenix? When you call 911 for a cop, who responds?
I am puzzled by the apparent overlapping of jurisdictions.
Up here we have a variety of police forces, none of them elected.
While the RCMP may perform investigative duties within municipal
boundaries patrolled by a municipal police force, they would not
patrol those same streets or randomly stop people in cars or on the
streets. Areas not covered by a municipal force would be policed by
the RCMP.
From what I read and hear it seems a Sheriff can patrol inside a
municipal district. |
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| Datesfat Chicks... |
Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:58 pm |
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"don (Calgary)" <hd.flhr at (no spam) telus.net> wrote in message
news:v49qd51eshu88v26ssr62sbiivef6a5hdk at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote: The controversial Joe Arpaio is back in the news, even up here.
One of our local radio talk shows has Joe as a guest on a regular
basis. Today they were talking about his latest pissing contest with
ICE.
My question has nothing to do with that. I am curious as to who has
jurisdiction for policing a defined area. Joe is the Sheriff for
Maricopa County, which is a large area that includes Phoenix among
other cities. Phoenix has their own police force. Joe seemed to have
little respect for the Phoenix police and tended to brag about sending
his deputies into Phoenix on various raids.
So which organization has jurisdiction inside the city limits of
Phoenix? When you call 911 for a cop, who responds?
I am puzzled by the apparent overlapping of jurisdictions.
Up here we have a variety of police forces, none of them elected.
While the RCMP may perform investigative duties within municipal
boundaries patrolled by a municipal police force, they would not
patrol those same streets or randomly stop people in cars or on the
streets. Areas not covered by a municipal force would be policed by
the RCMP.
From what I read and hear it seems a Sheriff can patrol inside a
municipal district.
I share your confusion, and I look forward to informative answers.
A similar anomaly is this one:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/19/medical.marijuana/index.html
It isn't a coherent system when a state can legalize medical marijuana use,
but the feds can still arrest the patients who are doing what is legal in
the state.
Datesfat |
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| tomorrow at (no spam) erols.com... |
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:24 am |
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On Oct 20, 10:52 am, c <smalltalkingchic... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
(Snipped well thought out, good content, well written, cogent
observations...)
Quote: what >i< want to know, though, is whether there are any lady sheriffs,
and if they do calendars the way firemen do calendars ...
Whew, for a minute there, it looked like this was going to be one of
the most unreekylike posts, ever.
Nice recovery! |
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| 83LowRider... |
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:14 am |
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"J. Clarke" wrote
Quote: Don't try to generalize about US law enforcement. Every state has its own
laws and they vary more than most people, even those who live in the US,
realize. In some states the authority of the county sheriff is very
limited, in others it is quite broad.
If you read the article, that's exactly what it said..
and I'll generalize about anyfuckingthing I wish.. |
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| CS... |
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:06 pm |
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"Datesfat Chicks" <datesfat.chicks at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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The federal government has something called Sovereignty, where federal
crimes are separate and apart from state or local crimes. That's why the
cops that were accused of beating Rodney King could be aquitted of all
charges brought by the state, then found guilty under federal laws. They
were all separate crimes, at least on paper.
Strange, that nobody bitched about that, but they've been crying for years
over dope.
Anyway, the federal government has the authority to regulate drugs,
immigration, and whatever. The states can legalize what they want, but if
its illegal under federal law, nobody can stop the feds from doing their
thing. The most state and local governments can do to hinder federal law
enforcement is be a pain in the ass when dealing with them, such as Los
Angeles and NYC, who love animal criminals and hate cops.
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| J. Clarke... |
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:48 pm |
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CS wrote:
Quote: "Datesfat Chicks" <datesfat.chicks at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:LpKdnYD3kaIa3kDXnZ2dnUVZ_jSdnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com...
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I share your confusion, and I look forward to informative answers.
A similar anomaly is this one:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/19/medical.marijuana/index.html
It isn't a coherent system when a state can legalize medical
marijuana use, but the feds can still arrest the patients who are
doing what is legal in the state.
The federal government has something called Sovereignty, where federal
crimes are separate and apart from state or local crimes. That's why
the cops that were accused of beating Rodney King could be aquitted
of all charges brought by the state, then found guilty under federal
laws. They were all separate crimes, at least on paper.
Strange, that nobody bitched about that, but they've been crying for
years over dope.
Anyway, the federal government has the authority to regulate drugs,
immigration, and whatever. The states can legalize what they want,
but if its illegal under federal law, nobody can stop the feds from
doing their thing. The most state and local governments can do to
hinder federal law enforcement is be a pain in the ass when dealing
with them, such as Los Angeles and NYC, who love animal criminals and
hate cops.
It's not quite that simple. The feds can regulate drugs that move in
interstate commerce (many Federal powers are based in the Commerce Clause,
which gives the Feds the power to regulate interstate commerce). It is not
clear at all though that they have any jurisdiction over drugs that never
leave their state of origin and thus do not become part of interstate
commerce.
Immigration policy is an enumerated power in the Constitution--it is
explicitly granted to the Federal government.
The police in the Rodney King case were charged with civil rights
violations, another enumerated power of the Federal government, this one
established by the Fourteenth Amendment.
"Whatever" has to be based in some power given to the Federal government by
the Constitution. |
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| Chuck Rhode... |
Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:35 pm |
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Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:18:10 -0500
From: Mark Olson <olsonm at (no spam) tiny.invalid>
Section 9 - Limits on Congress
Quote: The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States
now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by
the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight,
but a tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding
ten dollars for each Person.
Presumably since we are past 1808, Congress can prohibit "The
Migration or Importation of such Persons..."
The "Slavery Clause" is dead letter. It was inserted to permit an
import duty on slaves similar to duties on other goods, which were the
only source of revenue for the Federal government. The implication
that Congress can now Constitutionally control migration does not
follow.
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:57:59 -0400, Vito wrote:
Quote: Better yet: Section 8. The Congress shall have Power To establish
an uniform Rule of Naturalization....
And ... To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for
carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers and all other Powers
vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States,
or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Naturalization was not immigration. In those days, naturalization
(extension of US citizenship) was seen as a Federal issue. However,
immigration was seen as a states' rights issue.
We had this discussion exactly one year ago. It's in the Annual Reeky
Topic Rotation and comes right behind ordnance, synthetic oil, tires
and cat abuse and just before Intelligent Design:
o http://groups.google.com/group/rec.motorcycles/msg/1bdfc7ecc677ddec
Somewhere -- perhaps here -- I've heard it asserted that steamship
companies exerted their influence to have the Feds preempt state
control of immigration through the "Interstate Commerce" clause of the
Constitution. Because the downsides of immigration are apparent only
locally, Federal control is bound to be less effective than state
control. You see steamship companies wanted lax immigration control
because it was good for their passenger business ... and so it was
accomplished.
There's a reason why Nazis, skinheads, and KKK sympathizers are
by-and-large anti-Federalists.
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... Chuck Rhode, Sheboygan, WI, USA
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