Adding to my own post, mine own is a case in point: I have a bill of sale
which says that I own Harlee. But she is still "registered" to her former
owner because I haven't bothered to put in a change and pay the
complimentary fees therefor <g>.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:29:58 -0400, "Cricket" <cricketcole at (no spam) wmis.net
wrote:


I don't recall ever having a registered horse who's papers came directly
and
immediately from the last person shown on the papers...

All of mine have papers, the previous owners are listed before me.

When I bought each horse the previous owner sent the papers in with
the change to my name.

Hunter

redbranch wrote:


Problem is, the rescue has no idea of the current condition of the
horse...


Could that not be used to go for an emergency hearing (whatever it's
called) to ascertain the condition of the horse? Apparently you're in an
area that at least does something ... surely the courts would follow up?

Because he might have eventually gotten in a grade horse that met the
description...

Just did a little nosing around, and it is the same rescue and the horse
I was thinking of. I can understand that they need to enforce their
contracts or they wouldn't be worth the paper they are written on.
Chances are they will wind up getting the horse back from her if it is
still alive. They do have a contract that she signed after all.

On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 14:26:52 GMT, Grizzly <NoOne at (no spam) nowhere.com> wrote:

Just did a little nosing around, and it is the same rescue and the horse
I was thinking of. I can understand that they need to enforce their
contracts or they wouldn't be worth the paper they are written on.
Chances are they will wind up getting the horse back from her if it is
still alive. They do have a contract that she signed after all.

I'm betting she has sold the horse....

Hunter

It makes me wonder if there's some ulterior motive involved for example,
she wants to sell the horses before they're legally hers.

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Makes me wonder what kind of shape the horses are in since this sleazy
adopter went through some trouble to get papers for the sole purpose
of NOT having to submit health reports and current pictures. Either
that, or she wants to can them or sell them and knows she can't if she
has to report in to the rescue for the term of the contract.

The business about the gelding lowering the horse's value makes me wonder if
this woman thinks that obtaining the registration papers means the ownership
of the horse goes from the prior holder of those papers directly to her.  In
which case she may intend to sue the rescue to recover her "loss".  Silly,
but sillier schemes have been tried.

        Una

John Hasler wrote:
Grizzly writes:
Over the past couple of years at some of the sales they have sold for
between $50 and $400 depending on whether or not they were ridden in the
auction ring. Some were registered, some were not papered but obviously
arabs. To me $400 qualifies as a few hundred.

I was exclaiming at the possibility of getting _anything_ for such horses.

I kind of figured you meant that, but to the person thinking it was a
flip this horse for cash situation it was meant to be a dose of reality.

Untrained and aged unless it has a valuable pedigree and is broodstock/
either a fertile stallion or mare equals worthless. In the case of those
two stallions that the rescue took, they went away for the cost of
gelding them. I think they got $100 plus a signed contract. Sometimes
even animals with great bloodlines that are breeding sound wind up as
give aways in the current market, especially if they have no training.

Grizzly writes:
Over the past couple of years at some of the sales they have sold for
between $50 and $400 depending on whether or not they were ridden in the
auction ring. Some were registered, some were not papered but obviously
arabs. To me $400 qualifies as a few hundred.

I was exclaiming at the possibility of getting _anything_ for such horses.

On Oct 16, 9:11 pm, Grizzly <No... at (no spam) nowhere.com> wrote:
John Hasler wrote:
Grizzly writes:
Over the past couple of years at some of the sales they have sold for
between $50 and $400 depending on whether or not they were ridden in the
auction ring. Some were registered, some were not papered but obviously
arabs. To me $400 qualifies as a few hundred.
I was exclaiming at the possibility of getting _anything_ for such horses.
I kind of figured you meant that, but to the person thinking it was a
flip this horse for cash situation it was meant to be a dose of reality.

Untrained and aged unless it has a valuable pedigree and is broodstock/
either a fertile stallion or mare equals worthless. In the case of those
two stallions that the rescue took, they went away for the cost of
gelding them. I think they got $100 plus a signed contract. Sometimes
even animals with great bloodlines that are breeding sound wind up as
give aways in the current market, especially if they have no training.

It is different elswhere. Hate to burst your bubble but horses a
still something of a "rich man's game" here. No one is giving away
stock and reasonably trained "trail" horses are still commanding $2500
plus.

That said, I am concerned that those in the know here seem to feel
that the current owner "could" lose the horse because of faulty
(deliberate or not) paper keeping.

The very idea that someone could surrender a horse to rescue only to
be able to legally "pick it up" at a later date after having other's
care for it and fatten it up is OBSCENE.

Not for one instance that do I feel it's legally impossible. Sadly,
it probably is. It doesn't make it any less digusting.


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