In basic shuto uke, the nonchopping hand pulls back to the solar
plexus.  Is it initially pointing horizontally at the opponent, or
down as in the pulling arm for a low block?

The elbow of the chopping arm...does slide along the top of the
withdrawing forearm, or along the inside of it?

Thanks.

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YumYumPandaburger wrote:
On 6 okt, 06:26, AndyHancock <andymhanc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
In basic shuto uke, the nonchopping hand pulls back to the solar
plexus.  Is it initially pointing horizontally at the opponent, or
down as in the pulling arm for a low block?
BOTH

The elbow of the chopping arm...does slide along the top of the
withdrawing forearm, or along the inside of it?
BOTH
Can you explain to me why people learn defences to attacks that are only ever
going to be made in their dojo?

Eg shotu uke:

http://www.ehow.com/video_2368648_basics-shuto-uke.html

Now when, in the history of the universe, has anyone been subject to such an
attack? (on teh str33t, of course!)

Believe it or not I used that exact block on the STR33T when a girl tried to
hit me with a beer bottle.  It worked a treat.

Fraser

Blocks are found in many MAs, even GJJ has them, but it's not so much
the defence that's unrealistic, it's the attack.

GDS

"Let's block!"

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Sam the Bam wrote:
On Oct 6, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au> wrote:
Can you explain to me why people learn defences to attacks
that are only ever going to be made in their dojo?

Eg shotu uke:

http://www.ehow.com/video_2368648_basics-shuto-uke.html
Think offense: grab opponent's collar, pull, strike to the throat.

Sam
Nah. The more I look at this, the more convinced I am that it is nonsense.
Bear in mind I've been saying this to karateka for decades and nothing I've
seen or experienced leads me to change my mind.

Look at uke's hand position! Who in their right mind throws strikes like
that? Manufacturing a response to such an improbable and inept attack has
ZERO application to anything outside the dojo cloister.

Put a stick in their hand and it makes perfect sense however.

On Oct 6, Greendistantstar <Greendistants... at (no spam) iinet.net.au> wrote:
Can you explain to me why people learn defences to attacks
that are only ever going to be made in their dojo?
Eg shotu uke:
http://www.ehow.com/video_2368648_basics-shuto-uke.html
Think offense: grab opponent's collar, pull, strike to the throat.
Nah. The more I look at this, the more convinced I am that
it is nonsense. Bear in mind I've been saying this to karateka
for decades and nothing I've seen or experienced leads me
to change my mind.

Look at uke's hand position! Who in their right mind throws
strikes like that? Manufacturing a response to such an
improbable and inept attack
has ZERO application to anything outside the dojo cloister.

I didn't say response to attack... it IS an attack.

Sam

What I'm saying is that most martial arts have a range of skills which are
really only commonly useful against someone else from the same tradition
or the same sort of skills anyway.

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YumYumPandaburger wrote:
On 6 okt, 06:26, AndyHancock <andymhanc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
In basic shuto uke, the nonchopping hand pulls back to the solar
plexus. Is it initially pointing horizontally at the opponent, or
down as in the pulling arm for a low block?
BOTH
The elbow of the chopping arm...does slide along the top of the
withdrawing forearm, or along the inside of it?
BOTH
Can you explain to me why people learn defences to attacks that are only ever
going to be made in their dojo?
Eg shotu uke:
http://www.ehow.com/video_2368648_basics-shuto-uke.html
Now when, in the history of the universe, has anyone been subject to such an
attack? (on teh str33t, of course!)
Believe it or not I used that exact block on the STR33T when a girl tried to
hit me with a beer bottle. It worked a treat.
Fraser
Blocks are found in many MAs, even GJJ has them, but it's not so much
the defence that's unrealistic, it's the attack.

GDS

"Let's block!"

GJJ?
heh heh hehe.

So in keeping with the threads theme.
Whats your take on jeff speakman?
you'll think hes fake like segal, or is he legit like bruce lee?

Rabid Weasel Lawson wrote:
On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:42:45 +0800, Greendistantstar wrote:

Can you explain to me why people learn defences to attacks that are only
ever going to be made in their dojo?

And "the Sprawl" is frequently used against non-wrestlers, right?

It certainly can.

"Rope-a-dope" is a common technique against grapplers, right?

Not common for anyone.

The Passata Soto is so often used against a Judoka, right?

Can be.

What's the big deal about techniques being custom designed to situations
where you're going to be facing off against someone with the same skill
set and strategies as you?

Refined techniques to be used against others of comparable skill levels
are one thing. Teaching people defences to attacks that would never be
done IRL, or punches against their arms with bad form (see that series
on 'Expert World' are something else again.

The true moral to this story is all women are crazy and redheads are by an
order of magnitude crazier than the rest.

Put a stick in their hand and it makes perfect sense however.

Rabid Weasel Lawson wrote:

What I'm saying is that most martial arts have a range of skills which are
really only commonly useful against someone else from the same tradition
or the same sort of skills anyway.

I would disagree most vehemently with that statement.

Perhaps you'd care to clarify?

On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 11:09:39 +0800, Greendistantstar wrote:

Rabid Weasel Lawson wrote:

What I'm saying is that most martial arts have a range of skills which are
really only commonly useful against someone else from the same tradition
or the same sort of skills anyway.
I would disagree most vehemently with that statement.

Perhaps you'd care to clarify?

I'll try.

Most martial arts seem to have a set of skills or techniques which are
only trotted out and used against someone from a like tradition. This is
because folks from other traditions just DON'T do the sort of things which
would set them up for those sort of responses.

Surely you've noticed that some of your BJJ skills you really only use
when rolling with other BJJ trained folks? You don't use them against
newbies, wrestlers, or even Judoka.