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| racer_X... |
Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:47 pm |
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Hi,
I am just under 70Kg, and are looking at getting some two smaller
sails as I can get a good deal end of season stock.
I currently have a 5.5 and 6.5m, I am looking for a recommendations
from some one in my weight range for 20+kt Force 5 and up.
I currently have a 100L FSW, and at some point will get a 75L wave
board.
The size for me to choose from are 5.0/4.7/4.5/4.2
I was intially thinking 5 and 4.5, but maybe that is to close a
spacing for some one who is light, and would be better off with 4.7
and 4.2? |
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| VikingSail... |
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:06 am |
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I weigh 83 kg and my sail quiver is 8.0 6.5 5.5 4.8 4.2 3.6.
Small sail is for storms at Cape Hatteras NC.
I've worked very hard to learn to tune the sails to be able to use the
full range of each sail. Never had a problem with the 5.5 4.8 gap other
then just learning when or when not to rerig to a smaller sail based on
back luck with momentary wind gusts. I do alot of lake sailing so I've
learned to sail overpowered.
That said 5.0 and 4.5 would probably be fine and that's what most people
have.
Tuning tech for Roger Jackson/Sailworks.
racer_X wrote:
Quote: Hi,
I am just under 70Kg, and are looking at getting some two smaller
sails as I can get a good deal end of season stock.
I currently have a 5.5 and 6.5m, I am looking for a recommendations
from some one in my weight range for 20+kt Force 5 and up.
I currently have a 100L FSW, and at some point will get a 75L wave
board.
The size for me to choose from are 5.0/4.7/4.5/4.2
I was intially thinking 5 and 4.5, but maybe that is to close a
spacing for some one who is light, and would be better off with 4.7
and 4.2? |
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| Bill 04009... |
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:47 pm |
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I'm a huge Hucker fan. I absolutely love my 4.8 & 5.6. I see you
already have the 5.6, so I'll keep its praises to a minimum. With the
Huckers I have found a sail gives me much more control in high winds.
Also, I can now sail on sizes on par with my peers, which, when
racing, has helped close the gap at higher wind speeds.
The 4.8 is a great high wind sail for me. I love it. I haven't decided
whether to get a 4.2 Hucker next or the 3.7 Hucker. The range of the
4.8 is amazing.
Oh, yeah. I weigh 65-68kg.
On Aug 28, 5:47 am, racer_X <racerx1... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hi,
I am just under 70Kg, and are looking at getting some two smaller
sails as I can get a good deal end of season stock.
I currently have a 5.5 and 6.5m, I am looking for a recommendations
from some one in my weight range for 20+kt Force 5 and up.
I currently have a 100L FSW, and at some point will get a 75L wave
board.
The size for me to choose from are 5.0/4.7/4.5/4.2
I was intially thinking 5 and 4.5, but maybe that is to close a
spacing for some one who is light, and would be better off with 4.7
and 4.2? |
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| (PeteCresswell)... |
Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:44 pm |
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Per racer_X:
Quote: looking for a recommendations
from some one in my weight range for 20+kt Force 5 and up.
My experience has been that one can extrapolate sail sizes based
on body weight diffs - so if you sail with other people of
different weights you can extrapolate what works to them to what
would work for you.
I weigh 210 and for 5.0-7.5, and for me it's been 20 lbs = .6
meters. You weigh 190.... 7.5's working for me.... 6.9 will
work for you.... and so-on...
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| gwandsh... |
Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 12:36 pm |
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On Aug 28, 2:47 am, racer_X <racerx1... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hi,
I am just under 70Kg, and are looking at getting some two smaller
sails as I can get a good deal end of season stock.
I currently have a 5.5 and 6.5m, I am looking for a recommendations
from some one in my weight range for 20+kt Force 5 and up.
I currently have a 100L FSW, and at some point will get a 75L wave
board.
The size for me to choose from are 5.0/4.7/4.5/4.2
I was intially thinking 5 and 4.5, but maybe that is to close a
spacing for some one who is light, and would be better off with 4.7
and 4.2?
At least as important as nominal sail sizing is the style and feel of
the sail make and model. If you can continue with a sail make down
into smaller sizes, usually the nominal size spacing is a little more
accurate.
I have done comparisons where I lay out a 4.2 in my sail make and have
a buddy overlay it with a 4.6, seeing only marginal differences after
accounting for outline. I also have owned sails with great high end
and little low end, or the inverse. If you had a 4.2 with lots of
grunt and a 4.7 with only high end, they might be close to
interchangeable.
It is difficult to get sails that have similar characteristics in
range, grunt, control, etc when you mix brands and models (and
especially years). If you are looking for wave/bump style sails and
most of your other larger sails are freeride/slalom, you stand a
better chance of the new sails complementing each other.
Good luck |
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Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 11:51 pm |
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I guess I have to question your plan for boards. It's usually a lot
easier to switch boards than sails, so I think most sailors try to get
gear that allows them to keep the sail but switch boards when the wind
changes.
A 75l wave board is going to be dramatically different than 100l FSW--
slower to plane, harder to sail upwind, more difficult to jibe, and in
general more difficult to sail. If you're on a 5.0 on the FSW, and
it's starting to get windy and choppy, you still might not have enough
wind for the wave board. Similarly, I don't think a 75l board will
take a 5.5 very well, so that can't be your crossover point either.
You might consider getting a bigger second board, maybe an 80-85l. I
know it's tempting to go immediately for that fancy high-wind
shortboard, but you can get frustrated very easily sailing a board
that's too small. I've seen sailors lose an entire season of sailing
schlogging around on a board that's too small, eventually going back
to that big intermediate tanker that they learned on and thinking
they'll never get good enough for their shortboard. And you wouldn't
want to go into waves on a board that's too small.
When I sailed the Gorge, I had an 80l board and a 105l board. I could
sail a 5.0 on both of them easily and would switch from one to the
other according to the wind. I weighed 80 kilos. That would be about
the same spread you're looking at. But I spent almost 2 seasons on a
90l board before getting the 80l, getting accustomed to the gusty,
windy conditions. |
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| racer_X... |
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:03 am |
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at (no spam) seattletimes.com wrote:
Quote: It's usually a lot
easier to switch boards than sails,
Changing boards, isn't really easier where I sail, (on the coast of
south east england) especially at low tide:-)
I am more than happy with my 100L it will be fine for many years, its
probably a bit too small for me at the moment. Though I also have
access to 'big kit' on a inland lake at a windsurf club. I have
decided to go for a 4.2 and 4.7 to go with my existing 5.5/6.5. I only
anticipate using the smaller sails, underpowered (not in waves) until
I improve quite a bit! Rather than sitting on the beach/or being out
of control on the water. At that point I will get the appropriate
board perhaps a ~75L.
I am pretty good a maths, and having studing aeronautics I understand
the non-linear affect of wind speed on sail force. [and fin and board
lift from the water etc]
What I find frustrating in windsurfing is the lack of information with
regard to peoples weight and height, watching some of the young kids
planning on < 5m sails in <15knots, reminded me that weight certainly
makes a big difference. I have decided on 4.2/4.7 after getting some
advice from several experienced sailors of the same weight.
Thanks everyone for their advice.
On Sep 2, 10:51 am, sm... at (no spam) seattletimes.com wrote:
Quote: I guess I have to question your plan for boards. It's usually a lot
easier to switch boards than sails, so I think most sailors try to get
gear that allows them to keep the sail but switch boards when the wind
changes.
A 75l wave board is going to be dramatically different than 100l FSW--
slower to plane, harder to sail upwind, more difficult to jibe, and in
general more difficult to sail. If you're on a 5.0 on the FSW, and
it's starting to get windy and choppy, you still might not have enough
wind for the wave board. Similarly, I don't think a 75l board will
take a 5.5 very well, so that can't be your crossover point either.
You might consider getting a bigger second board, maybe an 80-85l. I
know it's tempting to go immediately for that fancy high-wind
shortboard, but you can get frustrated very easily sailing a board
that's too small. I've seen sailors lose an entire season of sailing
schlogging around on a board that's too small, eventually going back
to that big intermediate tanker that they learned on and thinking
they'll never get good enough for their shortboard. And you wouldn't
want to go into waves on a board that's too small.
When I sailed the Gorge, I had an 80l board and a 105l board. I could
sail a 5.0 on both of them easily and would switch from one to the
other according to the wind. I weighed 80 kilos. That would be about
the same spread you're looking at. But I spent almost 2 seasons on a
90l board before getting the 80l, getting accustomed to the gusty,
windy conditions. |
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:19 am |
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On Sep 3, 1:03 am, racer_X <racerx1... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote: at (no spam) seattletimes.com wrote:
It's usually a lot
easier to switch boards than sails,
Changing boards, isn't really easier where I sail, (on the coast of
south east england) especially at low tide:-)
I am more than happy with my 100L it will be fine for many years, its
probably a bit too small for me at the moment. Though I also have
access to 'big kit' on a inland lake at a windsurf club. I have
decided to go for a 4.2 and 4.7 to go with my existing 5.5/6.5. I only
anticipate using the smaller sails, underpowered (not in waves) until
I improve quite a bit! Rather than sitting on the beach/or being out
of control on the water. At that point I will get the appropriate
board perhaps a ~75L.
I am pretty good a maths, and having studing aeronautics I understand
the non-linear affect of wind speed on sail force. [and fin and board
lift from the water etc]
What I find frustrating in windsurfing is the lack of information with
regard to peoples weight and height, watching some of the young kids
planning on < 5m sails in <15knots, reminded me that weight certainly
makes a big difference. I have decided on 4.2/4.7 after getting some
advice from several experienced sailors of the same weight.
Thanks everyone for their advice.
OK, sounds like you have a plan. And it's good to know that there are
still places somewhere on this Earth where windsurfing is attracting
some younger sailors! Seems like we've been losing them all to kiting. |
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| (PeteCresswell)... |
Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:36 am |
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Per racer_X:
Quote: What I find frustrating in windsurfing is the lack of information with
regard to peoples weight and height,
Dunno from height, but my experience has been that 20 lbs (call
it 10kg...) is good for .6m sail size diff.
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| Steevem... |
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:30 am |
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On Aug 28, 5:47 am, racer_X <racerx1... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote:
Quote: Hi,
If your sails are a 5.5 and a 6.5, I would go for a 4.7 and 4.2.
But...BUT..ideally it is sails from the same brand and same
model..sails can vary a lot from company to company and from model to
model. I Zone and a Alpha are quite different for example..a 4.7
Alpha could easily be replace by a 5.0 Zone.
Good luck.
nord_roi
Quote: I am just under 70Kg, and are looking at getting some two smaller
sails as I can get a good deal end of season stock.
I currently have a 5.5 and 6.5m, I am looking for a recommendations
from some one in my weight range for 20+kt Force 5 and up.
I currently have a 100L FSW, and at some point will get a 75L wave
board.
The size for me to choose from are 5.0/4.7/4.5/4.2
I was intially thinking 5 and 4.5, but maybe that is to close a
spacing for some one who is light, and would be better off with 4.7
and 4.2? |
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