SA post-readmission XI:

GFJ Liebenberg
AM Bacher (c)
HH Dippenaar
PJR Steyn
MW Rushmere
AB de Villiers (k)
JL Ontong
C Eksteen
DW Pretorius
S Elworthy
CM Willoughby

I look forward to Maxx telling us what a world-beating team this is.

Cheers,

Mike
--

I knew for a fact that ethnicities in South Africa were among the most
complicated in the world, especially those of the Cape Coloreds (like
Ontong). Then one started following their cricket team -- including an
interview with a young fellow named Allan Donald, a fellow with a nice
Anglo name, who said he didn't speak too much English, onlyAfrikaans,
until he actually got to England. That certainly didn't help
understand RSA's complexities. I couldn't comprehend that Allan
Donald's native tongue would be anything other than English.

-Samarth [ would Steve Palframan be a better choice for a Useless Boer
WK than AB Devil Ears, or does he not qualify as useless and/or
Boer? ].

On Wed, 27 May 2009 14:01:44 -0700 (PDT), vijaykumark
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On May 27, 2:03 pm, Southpaw <arbi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Ah I see. Back to my original *cricketing* point. Assuming this is
meant as a "useless" XI of some sort - be it useless RSA XI, useless
Boer XI, or useless Afrikaner XI - my point is that it's actually not
that useless. As useless XIs go, this is a pretty darn useful side.

-Samarth.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I guess we will have to wait for Mike to enlighten us
on his original intent, now that even Maxx has refused
to endorse this team.

All right, then, you come up with a worse post-readmission SA Test XI.

What makes you think de Villiers is a crap keeper?

Didn't he get a couple of matches behind the stumps? This would have
been during the time that Jennings was making noises about how Boucher
wasn't so great

On May 28, 8:19 pm, Southpaw <arbi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 27, 2:38 pm, Mike Holmans <m... at (no spam) jackalope.demon.co.uk> wrote:

On Tue, 26 May 2009 15:34:02 -0700 (PDT), Southpaw <arbi... at (no spam) gmail.com
tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

-Samarth [ would Steve Palframan be a better choice for a Useless Boer
WK than AB Devil Ears, or does he not qualify as useless and/or
Boer? ].

Unreasonable though it may seem, I felt that a Test Mediocrities XI
ought to be made up of people who had actually played Test cricket.

Even if AB de Villiers is a crap WK,

Which he isn't. He's actually pretty damn good. A natural.

Mike obviously didn't watch him keep in the 2004/05 series against SA
after Tsolekile scandalously took the gloves from Boucher.

he averages 44 with the bat, and my guess is he's still
improving in the batting department.

Good guess.

Tsolekile averaged 9 with the bat in 3 tests. His CricInfo bio says he
considers himself a batsman first and a WK second.

Tsolekile is probably the worst keeper-batsman *ever* to play for SA.
Actually probably the worst ever to play Test cricket.

His keeping made Haddin's look Boucher-esque and his batting style
reminded me of Paul Adams'.

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On May 28, 8:19 pm, Southpaw <arbi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 27, 2:38 pm, Mike Holmans <m... at (no spam) jackalope.demon.co.uk
wrote:

On Tue, 26 May 2009 15:34:02 -0700 (PDT), Southpaw
arbi... at (no spam) gmail.com
tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

-Samarth [ would Steve Palframan be a better choice for a
Useless
Boer
WK than AB Devil Ears, or does he not qualify as useless and/or
Boer? ].

Unreasonable though it may seem, I felt that a Test Mediocrities
XI
ought to be made up of people who had actually played Test
cricket.

Even if AB de Villiers is a crap WK,

Which he isn't. He's actually pretty damn good. A natural.

Mike obviously didn't watch him keep in the 2004/05 series against
SA
after Tsolekile scandalously took the gloves from Boucher.

he averages 44 with the bat, and my guess is he's still
improving in the batting department.

Good guess.

Tsolekile averaged 9 with the bat in 3 tests. His CricInfo bio says
he
considers himself a batsman first and a WK second.

Tsolekile is probably the worst keeper-batsman *ever* to play for
SA.
Actually probably the worst ever to play Test cricket.

His keeping made Haddin's look Boucher-esque and his batting style
reminded me of Paul Adams'.

So presumably the bloke who wrote this article had never seen a day's
cricket in his life:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/cricket/tsolekiles-quiet-display-a...

Yes Andrew, Tsolekile's performance was so good that he was dropped
for the next Test.

One would guess he was dropped for not scoring enough runs. Which rather
dodges the issue at hand, namely that you made extravagant claims about
how
bad a 'keeper Tsokekile was but which appear to have no justification.
For
all I know the bloke may never have earned his place in the team on merit
but given the prevalence in recent times of 'keepers conceding 30+ byes
in a
single innings it's not rocket science to work out that your "worst ever
to
play Test cricket" is complete bollocks. Any particular reason for that?

Ah I see what's happened. You missed the part where typed "keeper-
batsman"

At the time there were others miles better. Morne van Wyk for one.