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| Greg Procter... |
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:33 pm |
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Dan Merkel wrote:
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"Greg Procter" <procter at (no spam) ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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Dan Merkel wrote:
"mark" <whitroth at (no spam) rcn.com> wrote in message
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Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
mark wrote:
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On the other hand, are you suggesting that it should be in
perpetuity?
There's a lot of problems with that, including when your 100+
great-grandchildren get to arguing as to who gets how much. And why
*should* they get money for something they've done nothing to earn?
[...]
IOW, you're arguing that inheritance of property is immoral. H'mmm.
Red herring, anyhow. Ownership depends on how the testator's will
assigns it.
Just that there should be limits. Unless you really want your daughter
or
granddaughter to be the next Paris Hilton?
mark *all* of my kids are earning their own way, and I'm
proud of them"
But what happens when your creation is a product? Aren't you then
suggesting that at some point, Coca-Cola should no longer have exclusive
rights to their own formula? Or that some other soft drink company
should
be able to freely duplicate it and sell it at a lesser price?
Of course some other company can reproduce Coca Cola's formula. If it
was reproduced exactly the same then Coca Cola could take the other
company to court, nation by nation.
However, the copying company needs only alter one component/ingredient
by a tiny amount and it would no longer be "copying". For that reason,
Coca Cola maintains extreme secrecy on it's formula...
Greg.P.
Not even sure about that one... I don't know how much something would have
to change before the courts would consider it to be "different." I'm
reasonably sure that changing one word in a poem would not make it
different, changing one note in a song would not make it different and I'd
suspect that changing one ingredient in something like Coca Cola wouldn't
make it different enough either. But that is pure speculation...
dlm
Did you change just one word of someone's poem or did you independently
write almost the same poem?
If your bottling company wanted to make a competitive 'Cola' and
developed it's own independant formula which just happened to (almost)
match Coca Cola's would you be guilty of anything?
OTOH if you managed to obtain Coca Cola's formula and changed some small
part of it, you would be guilty of (plagarisim but the competitive
effect would be the same.
Regards,
Greg.P. |
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| video guy - www.locoworks.com... |
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:12 pm |
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On Jul 18, 8:27�am, "Dan Merkel" <danmer... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Quote: "Twibil" <jose.now... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 17, 8:28 am, "Dan Merkel" <danmer... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
But what happens when your creation is a product? Aren't you then
suggesting that at some point, Coca-Cola should no longer have exclusive
rights to their own formula? Or that some other soft drink company should
be able to freely duplicate it and sell it at a lesser price?
Uh, that's not a "copyright" at all: it's either a patent or a trade
secret, and the same rules do not apply.
-Pete
It is neither a patent nor a trade secret, it is a recipe. Recipes
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| mark... |
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:53 pm |
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Dan Merkel wrote:
Quote: "Greg Procter" <procter at (no spam) ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:487FA7F7.C3B76677 at (no spam) ihug.co.nz...
Dan Merkel wrote:
"mark" <whitroth at (no spam) rcn.com> wrote in message
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Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
mark wrote:
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What really gets convoluted is if you compare intellectual property
rights to real property rights. I build a house, I own it.
I'm having a house built to my own floor plan - the building company
wants to add my floor plan to their book of standard designs.
I feel slightly complimented.
snip
One of my web clients is a contractor... they build houses AND maintain
rights to their floor plans! So you had better think twice about letting
yours go.
Now we are REALLY having fun! : )
I'm sorry, my parents have prior art on *my* genes, so no, you *can't*
patent anything you get from me.
mark |
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| Frank A. Rosenbaum... |
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:12 pm |
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"mark" <whitroth at (no spam) rcn.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Dan Merkel wrote:
"Greg Procter" <procter at (no spam) ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:487FA7F7.C3B76677 at (no spam) ihug.co.nz...
Dan Merkel wrote:
"mark" <whitroth at (no spam) rcn.com> wrote in message
news:ucCdnapqOqMoCOPVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d at (no spam) rcn.net...
Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
mark wrote:
[...]
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What really gets convoluted is if you compare intellectual property
rights to real property rights. I build a house, I own it.
I'm having a house built to my own floor plan - the building company
wants to add my floor plan to their book of standard designs.
I feel slightly complimented.
snip
One of my web clients is a contractor... they build houses AND maintain
rights to their floor plans! So you had better think twice about letting
yours go.
Now we are REALLY having fun! : )
I'm sorry, my parents have prior art on *my* genes, so no, you *can't*
patent anything you get from me.
mark
If we can't patent anything we get from you, can we at least get a shot for
it? I'll have whiskey, thanks.
--
Frank Rosenbaum
Please Support the following train shows:
Trains Trains and More Trains, Puyallup, WA.: www.ttmtshows.com
Kalamazoo Model Railroad Historical Society, MI.: www.kmrhs.org
Gratiot Valley Railroad Club, MI: www.gvrr.org |
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| Greg Procter... |
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:06 am |
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"video guy - www.locoworks.com" wrote:
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On Jul 18, 8:27�am, "Dan Merkel" <danmer... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
"Twibil" <jose.now... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ee214073-65ca-4a17-a1d2-d161bf54800f at (no spam) b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 17, 8:28 am, "Dan Merkel" <danmer... at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote:
But what happens when your creation is a product? Aren't you then
suggesting that at some point, Coca-Cola should no longer have exclusive
rights to their own formula? Or that some other soft drink company should
be able to freely duplicate it and sell it at a lesser price?
Uh, that's not a "copyright" at all: it's either a patent or a trade
secret, and the same rules do not apply.
-Pete
It is neither a patent nor a trade secret, it is a recipe. Recipes
cannot be copyrighted.
That would make it what is called a trade secret.
Greg.P. |
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| Twibil... |
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:28 am |
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On Jul 19, 12:12 am, "video guy - www.locoworks.com"
<videoc... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Quote: Uh, that's not a "copyright" at all: it's either a patent or a trade
secret, and the same rules do not apply.
-Pete
It is neither a patent nor a trade secret, it is a recipe. Recipes
cannot be copyrighted.
Oh for goodness' sake! The Coke formula -or recipe- *IS* a trade
secret; and it's probably the best-known one out there!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_secret
-Pete |
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| Dan Merkel... |
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:47 am |
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"Greg Procter" <procter at (no spam) ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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Quote: Dan Merkel wrote:
"Greg Procter" <procter at (no spam) ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:487FA7F7.C3B76677 at (no spam) ihug.co.nz...
Dan Merkel wrote:
"mark" <whitroth at (no spam) rcn.com> wrote in message
news:ucCdnapqOqMoCOPVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d at (no spam) rcn.net...
Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
mark wrote:
[...]
On the other hand, are you suggesting that it should be in
perpetuity?
There's a lot of problems with that, including when your 100+
great-grandchildren get to arguing as to who gets how much. And
why
*should* they get money for something they've done nothing to
earn?
[...]
IOW, you're arguing that inheritance of property is immoral. H'mmm.
Red herring, anyhow. Ownership depends on how the testator's will
assigns it.
Just that there should be limits. Unless you really want your
daughter
or
granddaughter to be the next Paris Hilton?
mark *all* of my kids are earning their own way, and I'm
proud of them"
But what happens when your creation is a product? Aren't you then
suggesting that at some point, Coca-Cola should no longer have
exclusive
rights to their own formula? Or that some other soft drink company
should
be able to freely duplicate it and sell it at a lesser price?
Of course some other company can reproduce Coca Cola's formula. If it
was reproduced exactly the same then Coca Cola could take the other
company to court, nation by nation.
However, the copying company needs only alter one component/ingredient
by a tiny amount and it would no longer be "copying". For that reason,
Coca Cola maintains extreme secrecy on it's formula.
I'm not an attorney, but there have been times that I've been accused
of
thinking like one. I guess that, because we can come up with all of
these
weird situations that don't seem to fit, the law does need to be
complicatd.
Look at all of the posts in this thread and you will see a variety of
situations where a simple solution just won't work.
What really gets convoluted is if you compare intellectual property
rights
to real property rights. I build a house, I own it.
I'm having a house built to my own floor plan - the building company
wants to add my floor plan to their book of standard designs.
I feel slightly complimented. :-)
I write a poem, I own
it. But we are saying here that, while we have no real problems with
my
home ownership, we do have problems with my owing the poem. The
difference
in the way we react to this is based on the difference in the way we
see
the
two different pieces of property. But they are both ours...
If you write a poem, you still hold the original, just as I will hold
the original house.
Copies of the poem or the house are just copies. It's the intellectual
input that (should) belong to the originator.
Your poem consists of words and concepts already invented and in common
use, as does my house. It's the way those commonly used compents are
put
together that makes them unique.
Are we having fun yet?
Of course,
Greg.P.
One of my web clients is a contractor... they build houses AND maintain
rights to their floor plans! So you had better think twice about letting
yours go.
Now we are REALLY having fun! : )
dlm
I'm definitely intending to keep the floor I've paid for - the building
company is welcome to the intellectual rights to its concepts _after_
that point.
(as in 'what do I care?')
Regards,
Greg.P.
One word... royalties! : )
dlm |
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| mark... |
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:17 pm |
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Frank A. Rosenbaum wrote:
Quote: "mark" <whitroth at (no spam) rcn.com> wrote in message
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Dan Merkel wrote:
"Greg Procter" <procter at (no spam) ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
news:487FA7F7.C3B76677 at (no spam) ihug.co.nz...
Dan Merkel wrote:
"mark" <whitroth at (no spam) rcn.com> wrote in message
news:ucCdnapqOqMoCOPVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d at (no spam) rcn.net...
Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
mark wrote:
[...]
snip
What really gets convoluted is if you compare intellectual property
rights to real property rights. I build a house, I own it.
I'm having a house built to my own floor plan - the building company
wants to add my floor plan to their book of standard designs.
I feel slightly complimented.
snip
One of my web clients is a contractor... they build houses AND maintain
rights to their floor plans! So you had better think twice about
letting yours go.
Now we are REALLY having fun! : )
I'm sorry, my parents have prior art on *my* genes, so no, you *can't*
patent anything you get from me.
If we can't patent anything we get from you, can we at least get a shot
for it? I'll have whiskey, thanks.
*I* have designer genes.... <g>
Whiskey? Are we talking single malt here, in which case, this approaches
religion.
mark "nothing from the islands, please"
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| Steve Caple... |
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:48 pm |
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:17:28 -0500, mark wrote:
Quote: mark "nothing from the islands, please"
What? Not even Highland Park??
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Steve |
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| mark... |
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:00 pm |
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Steve Caple wrote:
Quote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:17:28 -0500, mark wrote:
mark "nothing from the islands, please"
What? Not even Highland Park??
I've a friend who swears by the Bowmore. At a con once, there was a single
malt tasting. I took one small sip, and wandered around for 15 min to find
him, and told him to enjoy. I do *not* like iodine; I'll take peat, thank
you.
mark "now, the MacAllen, or Knockando...." |
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| Steve Caple... |
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 2:30 am |
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 21:00:29 -0500, mark wrote:
Quote: I've a friend who swears by the Bowmore. At a con once, there was a single
malt tasting. I took one small sip, and wandered around for 15 min to find
him, and told him to enjoy. I do *not* like iodine; I'll take peat, thank
you.
Well, Bowmore IS made on Islay, right next door to Laphroaig - although I
don't find it near so iodinic as Leapfrog or Lagavulin. HP, though, is
from Orkney, and I just find good peaty and malty flavors in it - albeit
strongly so compared to many Highland malts.
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Steve |
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