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PanHandler...
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:28 pm
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Suppose the dinosaurs had not become extinct some 65 million-odd years ago
and were still roaming the planet. What would you think about venturing into
the wilderness on a hunting trip?

I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure
you realize that what you read is not what I meant.
Frank...
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:19 pm
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PanHandler wrote:
Quote:
Suppose the dinosaurs had not become extinct some 65 million-odd years ago
and were still roaming the planet. What would you think about venturing into
the wilderness on a hunting trip?

I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure
you realize that what you read is not what I meant.

Of course I do. You can't fake me out with your double negative Wink
Frank
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:39 am
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On Jul 19, 1:28 pm, PanHandler <B... at (no spam) DIGITAL.NET> wrote:
Quote:
Suppose the dinosaurs had not become extinct some 65 million-odd years ago
and were still roaming the planet. What would you think about venturing into
the wilderness on a hunting trip?

I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure
you realize that what you read is not what I meant.

That would depend on what I was hunting.
PanHandler...
Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:32 pm
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<jumpingjack3 at (no spam) COMCAST.NET> wrote in message
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On Jul 19, 1:28 pm, PanHandler <B... at (no spam) DIGITAL.NET> wrote:
Quote:
Suppose the dinosaurs had not become extinct some 65 million-odd years ago
and were still roaming the planet. What would you think about venturing
into
the wilderness on a hunting trip?

I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure
you realize that what you read is not what I meant.

That would depend on what I was hunting.

Even if I was squirrel hunting I'd probably carry a few double barrel
elephant guns. Think velociraptor or T-Rex in Jurassic Park!
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:56 pm
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On Jul 22, 2:32 pm, PanHandler <B... at (no spam) DIGITAL.NET> wrote:
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jumpingja... at (no spam) COMCAST.NET> wrote in message

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On Jul 19, 1:28 pm, PanHandler <B... at (no spam) DIGITAL.NET> wrote:

Suppose the dinosaurs had not become extinct some 65 million-odd years ago
and were still roaming the planet. What would you think about venturing
into
the wilderness on a hunting trip?

I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm not sure
you realize that what you read is not what I meant.

That would depend on what I was hunting.

Even if I was squirrel hunting I'd probably carry a few double barrel
elephant guns. Think velociraptor or T-Rex in Jurassic Park!

You wouldn't need elephant guns for velociraptor. It was pretty small,
Jurassic Park notwithstanding. It was only about three feet tall. I'd
probably use my 12 ga double with 00 buck. For T. Rex you'd find
yourself _way_ undergunned with any elephant gun.
PanHandler...
Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:11 am
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<jumpingjack3 at (no spam) COMCAST.NET> wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 2:32 pm, PanHandler <B... at (no spam) DIGITAL.NET> wrote:

Quote:

Even if I was squirrel hunting I'd probably carry a few double barrel
elephant guns. Think velociraptor or T-Rex in Jurassic Park!

You wouldn't need elephant guns for velociraptor. It was pretty small,
Jurassic Park notwithstanding. It was only about three feet tall. I'd
probably use my 12 ga double with 00 buck. For T. Rex you'd find
yourself _way_ undergunned with any elephant gun.

Only one 12 ga? Didn't they work as a team in Jurassic Park? And I said a
'few' double barrel elephant guns Smile I wouldn't think it would be very
smart to go out alone, either!
(Just havin' a little fun here)
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:40 am
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On Jul 23, 8:11 am, PanHandler <B... at (no spam) DIGITAL.NET> wrote:
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jumpingja... at (no spam) COMCAST.NET> wrote in message

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On Jul 22, 2:32 pm, PanHandler <B... at (no spam) DIGITAL.NET> wrote:



Even if I was squirrel hunting I'd probably carry a few double barrel
elephant guns. Think velociraptor or T-Rex in Jurassic Park!

You wouldn't need elephant guns for velociraptor. It was pretty small,
Jurassic Park notwithstanding. It was only about three feet tall. I'd
probably use my 12 ga double with 00 buck. For T. Rex you'd find
yourself _way_ undergunned with any elephant gun.

Only one 12 ga? Didn't they work as a team in Jurassic Park? And I said a
'few' double barrel elephant guns Smile I wouldn't think it would be very
smart to go out alone, either!
(Just havin' a little fun here)

The 12 gauge would be for the smaller species such as velociraptor.
For the big boys like T. Rex and some of the big Hadrosaurs I'd take
something with an explosive warhead like the M 32, if I could get the
Fed permit.
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:45 pm
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On Jul 20, 5:28 am, PanHandler <B... at (no spam) DIGITAL.NET> wrote:
Quote:
Suppose the dinosaurs had not become extinct some 65
million-odd years ago and were still roaming the planet.
What would you think about venturing into the wilderness
on a hunting trip?

This scenario reminds me of a book I read when I was a kid, and I cant
remember the name of it for the life of me. Like some books, and bits
of some books, it left a lasting impression on me (but obvioulsy not
so lasting that I remeber its name!)

The essence of the bit relevant to this thread was about people who
had to go into a hostile environment as part of the right of passage.
For those up on their pop-culture it was not too disimilar frm the
idea of citizenry-through-service that was in Starship Troopers.

As part of this, they were limited in what weaponry they could take,
and much debate and thought was had over differing calibres, fire-
rates, and ammunition availabilty amonst the people.

One person took only a Bowie knife, with the rational being that
advoidance was the best course of action, and a modest (and
potentially inadequate) sense of defensive capabilities against an
unknown predator could engender a unfounded fight-reflex, when a
flight-reflex (or avoidance) would have been better.

And to bring it back to your question, I have often commented that if
deer had opposible thumbs that we'd be in trouble: How often have you
been hunting, and spooked a deer you did not know was there? Imagine
if he could shoot back, or stalked your campsite at 3am?
Chris Barnes...
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:53 am
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jumpingjack3 at (no spam) COMCAST.NET wrote:
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The 12 gauge would be for the smaller species such as velociraptor.
For the big boys like T. Rex and some of the big Hadrosaurs I'd take
something with an explosive warhead like the M 32, if I could get the
Fed permit.

Hahahhahaa - threads like this crack me up. They always occur after a
long hiatus from our ability to go hunting.

The good news is that dove season is just 37 days left until dove season
(at least here in Texas).


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Marty Carts...
Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:07 pm
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misanthropic_curmudgeon wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 20, 5:28 am, PanHandler <B... at (no spam) DIGITAL.NET> wrote:

Suppose the dinosaurs had not become extinct some 65
million-odd years ago and were still roaming the planet.
What would you think about venturing into the wilderness
on a hunting trip?

This scenario reminds me of a book I read when I was a kid, and I cant
remember the name of it for the life of me. Like some books, and bits
of some books, it left a lasting impression on me (but obvioulsy not
so lasting that I remeber its name!)

I have vague memories of a Heinlein book vaguely at
least like that.

Quote:
The essence of the bit relevant to this thread was about people who
had to go into a hostile environment as part of the right of passage.
For those up on their pop-culture it was not too disimilar frm the
idea of citizenry-through-service that was in Starship Troopers.

Come to think of it, ST is Heinlein too. Hmm...
Didn't recognize the title I am thinking of from Wiki.

Quote:
As part of this, they were limited in what weaponry they could take,
and much debate and thought was had over differing calibres, fire-
rates, and ammunition availabilty amonst the people.

One person took only a Bowie knife, with the rational being that
advoidance was the best course of action, and a modest (and
potentially inadequate) sense of defensive capabilities against an
unknown predator could engender a unfounded fight-reflex, when a
flight-reflex (or avoidance) would have been better.

Illustrative thought, but I think that, ultimately,
it's silly. It doesn't really allow for taking *both*
a phaser cannon *and* a healthy respect for the unknown.

Quote:
And to bring it back to your question, I have often commented that if
deer had opposible thumbs that we'd be in trouble: How often have you
been hunting, and spooked a deer you did not know was there? Imagine
if he could shoot back, or stalked your campsite at 3am?

<shudder>

Another reason why I hunt from my basement! _____Marty
Pixel (AA)...
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:08 pm
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On Jul 26, 4:07 am, Marty Carts <p.addamiano-ca... at (no spam) att.net> wrote:
Quote:
misanthropic_curmudgeon wrote:

This scenario reminds me of a book I read when I was a kid, and I cant
remember the name of it for the life of me.  Like some books, and bits
of some books, it left a lasting impression on me (but obvioulsy not
so lasting that I remeber its name!)

I have vague memories of aHeinleinbook vaguely at
least like that.

You are right,
it is "Tunnel in the sky" by Robert A. Heinlein
(more on it here : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_in_the_Sky )
a juvenile from the fifties.

Quote:
The essence of the bit relevant to this thread was about people who
had to go into a hostile environment as part of the right of passage.

As part of this, they were limited in what weaponry they could take,
and much debate and thought was had over differing calibres, fire-
rates, and ammunition availabilty amonst the people.
One person took only a Bowie knife, with the rational being that
advoidance was the best course of action, and a modest (and
potentially inadequate) sense of defensive capabilities against an
unknown predator could engender a unfounded fight-reflex, when a
flight-reflex (or avoidance) would have been better.
David L. Burkhead...
Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:02 am
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PanHandler wrote:
Quote:
jumpingjack3 at (no spam) COMCAST.NET> wrote in message
news:7a402261-5daa-4cf0-9ab5-876f3152df40 at (no spam) 79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 19, 1:28 pm, PanHandler <B... at (no spam) DIGITAL.NET> wrote:
Suppose the dinosaurs had not become extinct some 65 million-odd
years ago and were still roaming the planet. What would you think
about venturing into
the wilderness on a hunting trip?

I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm
not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant.

That would depend on what I was hunting.

Even if I was squirrel hunting I'd probably carry a few double barrel
elephant guns. Think velociraptor or T-Rex in Jurassic Park!

L. Sprague de Camp "A Gun for Dinosaur." Time travel to the distant past
leads to hunting parties to the Mesozoic (and other time frames).

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"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is
worth a war, is worse." --- John Stuart Mill
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:41 am
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On Jul 28, 8:02 am, "David L. Burkhead" <dburkh... at (no spam) SFF.NET> wrote:
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PanHandler wrote:
jumpingja... at (no spam) COMCAST.NET> wrote in message
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On Jul 19, 1:28 pm, PanHandler <B... at (no spam) DIGITAL.NET> wrote:
Suppose the dinosaurs had not become extinct some 65 million-odd
years ago and were still roaming the planet. What would you think
about venturing into
the wilderness on a hunting trip?

I know you believe you understand what you think I wrote, but I'm
not sure you realize that what you read is not what I meant.

That would depend on what I was hunting.

Even if I was squirrel hunting I'd probably carry a few double barrel
elephant guns. Think velociraptor or T-Rex in Jurassic Park!

L. Sprague de Camp "A Gun for Dinosaur."  Time travel to the distant past
leads to hunting parties to the Mesozoic (and other time frames).

--
--
David L. Burkhead -- Cold Servings, a webcomic
mailto:dburkh... at (no spam) sff.net --http://www.coldservings.comhttp://www.cafepress.com/oshaforcriminal<- OSHA for Criminals

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is
worth a war, is worse." --- John Stuart Mill- Hide quoted text -

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"A Gun for Dinosaur" is one of my all time favorite Sci Fi stories.
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Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:19 pm
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On Jul 28, 9:08 am, "Pixel (AA)" <heinl... at (no spam) FREE.FR> wrote:
Quote:
On Jul 26, 4:07 am, Marty Carts <p.addamiano-ca... at (no spam) att.net> wrote:

misanthropic_curmudgeon wrote:
This scenario reminds me of a book I read when I was a kid, and I cant
remember the name of it for the life of me. Like some books, and bits
of some books, it left a lasting impression on me (but obvioulsy not
so lasting that I remeber its name!)

I have vague memories of aHeinleinbook vaguely at
least like that.

You are right,
it is "Tunnel in the sky" by Robert A. Heinlein
(more on it here :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunnel_in_the_Sky)
a juvenile from the fifties.

Thank you, both. That is indeed the book I was refering to. To bring
this back towards the nature of the group (ie hunting) I see certain
parralles between our lives that the of the main prtaginist in that
book.

Where he struggled with the return to civilisation, and felt valued
and alive as a survivor or colonist (despite or perhaps because of the
risks) as a hunter I am only to willing to forsake the safety and
comfort of the supermarket down the road, and feel alive whilst in the
bush hunting for a meal to feed my family with or whilst fishing from
my boat on the open seas my ancestors navigated over hundreds of years
ago. (Although I fully accept the concequences of failure are not as
dire for me as a hunter/fisher!)

I read quite a bit of Heinlein as a youth, and another of his books
that really got to me was "time enough for love" and "starnger in a
strange land". the latter appeals tothe outsider that is in us all
and for the use of the word "Grok" - as a youth I found it refreashing
to note that there were some things that could not be explained in
English, and that understanding could be acheived on multiple levels.

In "Time enough for Love", the idea of a man who had lived to be
thousaands of years old and had done everything that could be done -
except to die - facinated me, along with the leanths the state wenet
to to keep him alive for its own purposes: He, too, was hunting
something!
Alex Vitek...
Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:44 am
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:02:27 -0400, David L. Burkhead <dburkhead at (no spam) SFF.NET> wrote:

Quote:
L. Sprague de Camp "A Gun for Dinosaur." Time travel to the distant past
leads to hunting parties to the Mesozoic (and other time frames).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Gun_for_Dinosaur_and_Other_Imaginative_Tales

The one I remember, vaguely, is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sound_of_Thunder

Even though I did not read it I have the feeling that "A Gun for Dinosaur"
deals more with hunting than the Ray Bradbury story. Speaking of the
Bradbury story, the film adaptation will be on the Sci-Fi channel several times.
 
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