On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 13:53:53 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"





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On Jun 11, 2:22 pm, Pete Granzeau <pgranz... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:27:35 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"

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I you feel that Baroque should be considered "early", I have no real
argument with you.

It may be a generational thing. My 9th-grade (1964-65) music
appreciation book (one page for each composer -- probably published
before 1960) started with the Classical Period = Mozart, Haydn, and
Gluck; with a page for JSB before that. Vivaldi had not yet been
discovered.

Vivaldi is an interesting case.  He was virtually forgotten (his actual
birth date wasn't discovered until 1962!)  His most famous work, The
Four Seasons, was first recorded in 1942.  He was nearly exactly
contemporary with Bach and Haydn.  There are now nearly as many
recordings of The Four Seasons as there are of the Beethoven Fifth.

And not a one of them worth listening to. In less than a year I've
been to two performances -- the first in an outdoor summer festival
concert at South Street Seaport because it was paired with Piazzoli's
set of four violin concertos "The Seasons" -- wonderful pieces, and
not on hand on CD at J&R the next day -- and a month or so ago by
Orpheus with Sarah Chang in Carnegie Hall, where it followed a lovely
Respighi's Birds and a new work by Wuorinen (who didn't even come to
the world premiere). (I shoulda left at intermission.)

I have a tin ear, so I just enjoy what I usually hear.  About the only
performance I really couldn't stand was a recording of Mozart's Eine
Kleine Nachtmusik at about half tempo; I think the piece ought to be
quick and bright; that conductor apparently wanted slow and lugubrious.

Oh, and some "Early Musick Consorts" seem to have a style of playing I
just turn off when I hear.  ssAAAwwww ssAAwwww ssAAAwwww . . .-

On Jun 11, 2:22 pm, Pete Granzeau <pgranz... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 12:27:35 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"

gramma... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
I you feel that Baroque should be considered "early", I have no real
argument with you.

It may be a generational thing. My 9th-grade (1964-65) music
appreciation book (one page for each composer -- probably published
before 1960) started with the Classical Period = Mozart, Haydn, and
Gluck; with a page for JSB before that. Vivaldi had not yet been
discovered.

Vivaldi is an interesting case.  He was virtually forgotten (his actual
birth date wasn't discovered until 1962!)  His most famous work, The
Four Seasons, was first recorded in 1942.  He was nearly exactly
contemporary with Bach and Haydn.  There are now nearly as many
recordings of The Four Seasons as there are of the Beethoven Fifth.

And not a one of them worth listening to. In less than a year I've
been to two performances -- the first in an outdoor summer festival
concert at South Street Seaport because it was paired with Piazzoli's
set of four violin concertos "The Seasons" -- wonderful pieces, and
not on hand on CD at J&R the next day -- and a month or so ago by
Orpheus with Sarah Chang in Carnegie Hall, where it followed a lovely
Respighi's Birds and a new work by Wuorinen (who didn't even come to
the world premiere). (I shoulda left at intermission.)

Vivaldi is an interesting case. He was virtually forgotten (his actual
birth date wasn't discovered until 1962!) His most famous work, The
Four Seasons, was first recorded in 1942. He was nearly exactly
contemporary with Bach and Haydn. There are now nearly as many
recordings of The Four Seasons as there are of the Beethoven Fifth.

Weren't Bach's arrangements from Vivaldi still known all along? The six
for solo clavier, and the (three? four?) for organ?

(Hi, Pete! How's things back in Virginia?)

Kip W

Weren't Bach's arrangements from Vivaldi still known all along? The six
for solo clavier, and the (three? four?) for organ?

(Hi, Pete! How's things back in Virginia?)

Kip W

Yes, the Bach arrangements of Vivaldi survived in the repertoire. The
great bulk of Vivaldi's original compostions began to become available
with the invention of vinyl (LPs) which I recall was ca 1950.

Cormac.

First LPs (combined 33 rpm and microgroove) were released by Columbia in

I became interested in early music ca 40 years ago when I heard it
introduced and played by the late and lamented David Munrow.

Currenly BBC 3 have an early music programme on Saturday afternoons.
Their concept of early music rarely agrees with mine. Yesterday (7
June) the music was by

Handel, Vivaldi J S Bach and Ravel.

Cormac.

(I once stayed at a "Hotel Vivaldi" that seemed to play the Four
Seasons on a continuous loop in the lobby and the lifts.  A colleague
mentioned that the staff must get tired of it and, after all, Vivaldi
did compose other things too.)

It may be a generational thing. My 9th-grade (1964-65) music
appreciation book (one page for each composer -- probably published
before 1960) started with the Classical Period = Mozart, Haydn, and
Gluck; with a page for JSB before that. Vivaldi had not yet been
discovered.

Vivaldi is an interesting case. He was virtually forgotten (his actual
birth date wasn't discovered until 1962!) His most famous work, The
Four Seasons, was first recorded in 1942. He was nearly exactly
contemporary with Bach and Haydn. There are now nearly as many
recordings of The Four Seasons as there are of the Beethoven Fifth.