celtex wrote:
Yes 100%. As he was looking at me when I pulled the trigger. If flash was
a contributing factor to jumping/dodging a bullet then I would have
expected him to do just that.

Well.... I'm not so sure that "Matt" isn't a troll just trying to start a
stupid argument. I don't recall him actually participating in any real
discussion on the group....

Congratulations, but does it have something to do with the question at hand?

Matt,

I am confused by your response. Didn't you want people to guess about
how a deer can dodge a slug or a bullet after it is fired? We have
all been speculating. Jim's post had to do with light flash and deer
reflexes...one of our lines of speculation. If you think we are wide
of the mark, relieve our anxious wondering and explain your claim to
us.

Jim

Jim and Phyllis wrote:
Congratulations, but does it have something to do with the question at
hand?

Matt,

I am confused by your response. Didn't you want people to guess about
how a deer can dodge a slug or a bullet after it is fired? We have
all been speculating. Jim's post had to do with light flash and deer
reflexes...one of our lines of speculation. If you think we are wide
of the mark, relieve our anxious wondering and explain your claim to
us.

Jim


Thanks for your very polite reply. You got a little anxious, but you
didn't feel the need to cast aspersions. That was very moderate of you.
:-)

celtex didn't mention the range at which he killed his buck. The range
determines the time of flight of the bullet, and therefore determines
whether the deer had time to react. It makes no sense to present his
particular hunting experience as a counterexample unless he mentions the
range. In another post I also gave a reason why a deer is less likely
to be able to dodge a rifle bullet (smaller muzzle flash than a shotgun
or revolver). Also he didn't mention the time of day or lighting
conditions (assume a greater visual flash effect under dim lighting).
It's not clear why nobody else seems to have noticed any of that.

We were talking about shotgun slugs. A 25.06 has a much higher
velocity than a shotgun slug, so it is irrelevant to this
discussion.

I claim that a deer can dodge a slug or bullet after it is fired, and that
deer survive fairly often by doing this.  How is this possible?

I will provide my answer in a few days.

If you're going to talk about shotgun slugs, then you have to limit
yourself to their effective range - which is typically under 100 yards
(and usually under 50 yards).

Chris Barnes wrote:
If you're going to talk about shotgun slugs, then you have to limit
yourself to their effective range - which is typically under 100 yards
(and usually under 50 yards).

HUH?!? I don't hesitate to take 150 yards with my 12 gauge under the
right conditions. I think you need a new gun or some more range time.
(notice the winking smilie please)

--
Steve

Chris Barnes wrote:
If you're going to talk about shotgun slugs, then you have to limit
yourself to their effective range - which is typically under 100 yards
(and usually under 50 yards).

HUH?!? I don't hesitate to take 150 yards with my 12 gauge under the
right conditions. I think you need a new gun or some more range time.
(notice the winking smilie please)

--
Steve
I'm glad you added the "winking and smilie"!! "Taking a shot" and being

"Steve Calvin" <calvins at (no spam) optonline.net> wrote in message
news:486fe695$0$4999$607ed4bc at (no spam) cv.net...
Chris Barnes wrote:
If you're going to talk about shotgun slugs, then you have to limit
yourself to their effective range - which is typically under 100
yards (and usually under 50 yards).

HUH?!? I don't hesitate to take 150 yards with my 12 gauge under the
right conditions. I think you need a new gun or some more range time.
(notice the winking smilie please)

--
Steve

What sighting device if any do you use that would provide a good kill at
that range with a slug?
Jim

Steve Calvin wrote:
Chris Barnes wrote:
If you're going to talk about shotgun slugs, then you have to limit
yourself to their effective range - which is typically under 100
yards (and usually under 50 yards).

HUH?!? I don't hesitate to take 150 yards with my 12 gauge under the
right conditions. I think you need a new gun or some more range time.
(notice the winking smilie please)

--
Steve
I'm glad you added the "winking and smilie"!! "Taking a shot" and being
accurate with a killing shot are two different things!!

What sighting device if any do you use that would provide a good kill at
that range with a slug?
Jim

2x7 Leupold

Steve Calvin wrote:
What sighting device if any do you use that would provide a good kill
at that range with a slug?
Jim

2x7 Leupold


My shotguns are used for birds. They don't have scopes on them.
Rifles are what I use for deer - those have scopes (a Leupold btw). ;-)

I claim that a deer can dodge a slug or bullet after it is fired, and that
deer survive fairly often by doing this. How is this possible?
I will provide my answer in a few days.


Matt, Please tell us about the deer.

Jim