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| asdf... |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374543,00.html
NEW YORK — The New York Police Department property division has
failed to properly secure and track thousands of guns because of
sloppy storage and antiquated record-keeping, a city audit has found.
City Comptroller William Thompson, who announced the audit results on
Tuesday, suggested the property division was in so much disarray that
public safety was at risk.
"It's disgraceful that the NYPD has not taken the necessary steps to
protect New Yorkers from the very firearms that it confiscates in
order to protect our city," Thompson said in a statement.
Because of sloppy paperwork and other problems, the department
initially failed to produce 94 of 324 guns asked for in the audit. The
weapons eventually turned up, but only after repeated inquiries and
several weeks, the report said.
The audit recommended the NYPD develop an electronic database to help
keep track of all property, including guns, cash and narcotics. The
department told Thompson's office that it believes its current
property practices are sound, and that it is already in the process of
computerizing records.
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| Jim Yanik... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:22 am |
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asdf <pgb205 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in news:g4h9e4$qu5$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu:
# http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374543,00.html
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# NEW YORK — The New York Police Department property division has
# failed to properly secure and track thousands of guns because of
# sloppy storage and antiquated record-keeping, a city audit has found.
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# City Comptroller William Thompson, who announced the audit results on
# Tuesday, suggested the property division was in so much disarray that
# public safety was at risk.
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# "It's disgraceful that the NYPD has not taken the necessary steps to
# protect New Yorkers from the very firearms that it confiscates in
# order to protect our city," Thompson said in a statement.
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# Because of sloppy paperwork and other problems, the department
# initially failed to produce 94 of 324 guns asked for in the audit. The
# weapons eventually turned up, but only after repeated inquiries and
# several weeks, the report said.
they had to give the NYPD officers a chance to return them from their
personal collections.....I would not be surprised that the missing guns
were the quality guns.
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# The audit recommended the NYPD develop an electronic database to help
# keep track of all property, including guns, cash and narcotics. The
# department told Thompson's office that it believes its current
# property practices are sound, and that it is already in the process of
# computerizing records.
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| Bill C... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:23 am |
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On Jul 2, 9:19 pm, asdf <pgb... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
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Maybe someone should point out to that jackass, which is a slur on a
fine animal, that he oughta get his own house in order before
illegally going after other places. In his world it's probably OK for
him and his to fail miserably at basic safety, storage, and
procedures, along with breaking the law though.
Bill C
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| Florida NRA SW... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:23 am |
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"asdf" <pgb205 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:g4h9e4$qu5$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374543,00.html
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# NEW YORK - The New York Police Department property division has
# failed to properly secure and track thousands of guns because of
# sloppy storage and antiquated record-keeping, a city audit has found.
#
# City Comptroller William Thompson, who announced the audit results on
# Tuesday, suggested the property division was in so much disarray that
# public safety was at risk.
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# "It's disgraceful that the NYPD has not taken the necessary steps to
# protect New Yorkers from the very firearms that it confiscates in
# order to protect our city," Thompson said in a statement.
#
# Because of sloppy paperwork and other problems, the department
# initially failed to produce 94 of 324 guns asked for in the audit. The
# weapons eventually turned up, but only after repeated inquiries and
# several weeks, the report said.
#
# The audit recommended the NYPD develop an electronic database to help
# keep track of all property, including guns, cash and narcotics. The
# department told Thompson's office that it believes its current
# property practices are sound, and that it is already in the process of
# computerizing records.
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#
This is not good news for the gun grabbing mental cases. Now there are tons
of guns out on the street, mostly in the hands of criminals. How do I know?
Psychological probability. If the guns were stolen from the police, good
honest people didn't do it. If a crooked cop is involved, then he sold to
criminals. Either way you look at it, gun grabbers are wrong. If NYC had the
laws we have here in Florida, most, if not almost all of those guns would
still be in the possession of the law-abiding public, whether kept at home
for protection or carried on their person with a permit. Good job, NYPD. You
just proved gun grabbers wrong.
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| Jim Yanik... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:15 pm |
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"Frank S" <items4sale at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote in
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# What doe mayor blumbum say about THIS. He should be looking in his own
# "back yard" for the problems, and stay out of the south
# Frank
Reminds me of DC's evidence locker supplying guns to criminals awhile back.
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| ToddP... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:15 pm |
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On Jul 4, 7:26 am, "Frank S" <items4s... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
Think we can get VA and gun stores to sue Bloomberg? VA is probably
being invaded by criminals possessing guns stolen from NY property/
evidence rooms. Guns stores are possibly being held up by criminals
with stolen NY guns. Lets "give it 'em back!"
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| Larry Caldwell... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:15 pm |
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In article <g4jg0p$itq$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu>, flrr77 at (no spam) hotmail.com
(Florida NRA SW) says...
# If NYC had the
# laws we have here in Florida, most, if not almost all of those guns would
# still be in the possession of the law-abiding public, whether kept at home
# for protection or carried on their person with a permit.
Here in Oregon the Douglas County Sheriff's Department just held an
auction of confiscated firearms. You had to have an FFL to bid.
Proceeds from the auction are being used to fund law enforcement
programs.
I find it interesting that the local newspaper never published a story
about it. I found out after the fact, through the Rod and Gun Club
newsletter.
Anyway, the guns are now back in law-abiding citizens' hands, where they
belong.
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| 445super... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:15 pm |
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Perhaps, as these guns are cataloged one by one into a computer, an
evaluation of whether they are illegal arms (filed off serial number,
illegal conversion to automatic, etc.) which must be destroyed after the
associated cases are settled, confiscated guns taken from their rightful
owners by unconstitutional means -- and that should therefore be returned to
their rightful owners, or guns needed for current cases. Then they could
auction off the remainder to the CITIZENS of NYC, to raise a little coin.
Just an idea.
"asdf" <pgb205 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:g4h9e4$qu5$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu...
# http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374543,00.html
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# The audit recommended the NYPD develop an electronic database to help
# keep track of all property, including guns, cash and narcotics. The
# department told Thompson's office that it believes its current
# property practices are sound, and that it is already in the process of
# computerizing records.
Already! in 2008! How long have computers been around?
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| 445super... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:41 am |
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Perhaps, as these guns are cataloged one by one into a computer, an
evaluation of whether they are illegal arms (filed off serial number,
illegal conversion to automatic, etc.) which must be destroyed after the
associated cases are settled, confiscated guns taken from their rightful
owners by unconstitutional means -- and that should therefore be returned to
their rightful owners, or guns needed for current cases. Then they could
auction off the remainder to the CITIZENS of NYC, to raise a little coin.
Just an idea.
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| Jim Yanik... |
| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:07 am |
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"445super" <follyrun at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote in
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# Perhaps, as these guns are cataloged one by one into a computer, an
# evaluation of whether they are illegal arms (filed off serial number,
# illegal conversion to automatic, etc.) which must be destroyed after
# the associated cases are settled, confiscated guns taken from their
# rightful owners by unconstitutional means -- and that should therefore
# be returned to their rightful owners, or guns needed for current
# cases. Then they could auction off the remainder to the CITIZENS of
# NYC, to raise a little coin. Just an idea.
They SHOULD be auctioned off to FFLs;destroying them would be wasteful and
not fiscally prudent.
IOW;criminally misusing public funds.(paying to destroy them instead of
generating a positive revenue from the valuables,as they do with other
items.)
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| 445super... |
| Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:07 am |
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Perhaps, as these guns are cataloged one by one into a computer, an
evaluation of whether they are illegal arms (filed off serial number,
illegal conversion to automatic, etc.) which must be destroyed after the
associated cases are settled, confiscated guns taken from their rightful
owners by unconstitutional means -- and that should therefore be returned to
their rightful owners, or guns needed for current cases. Then they could
auction off the remainder to the CITIZENS of NYC, to raise a little coin.
Just an idea.
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| Gunny_2008... |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:27 pm |
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"Jim Yanik" <jyanik at (no spam) kua.net> wrote in message
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# "445super" <follyrun at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote in
# news:g4mav4$qpa$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu:
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# # Perhaps, as these guns are cataloged one by one into a computer, an
# # evaluation of whether they are illegal arms (filed off serial number,
# # illegal conversion to automatic, etc.) which must be destroyed after
# # the associated cases are settled, confiscated guns taken from their
# # rightful owners by unconstitutional means -- and that should therefore
# # be returned to their rightful owners, or guns needed for current
# # cases. Then they could auction off the remainder to the CITIZENS of
# # NYC, to raise a little coin. Just an idea.
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# They SHOULD be auctioned off to FFLs;destroying them would be wasteful and
# not fiscally prudent.
# IOW;criminally misusing public funds.(paying to destroy them instead of
# generating a positive revenue from the valuables,as they do with other
# items.)
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# Jim Yanik
# jyanik
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# kua.net
True statement. How many of the public would tolerate them doing that with
other recovered property? What if their policy was to melt down all
recovered cars to prevent them from being bought and used in the commission
of crimes? Someone might even use it as a getaway car or to drive into a
crowd. If they sold only to FFLs they would have no more liability ( and
probably less, since they are a government agency) than any other
manufacturer or wholesaler who sells to legal dealers. Besides, who better
to run a background check on a prospective buyer than the cops themselves.
This PC crap by police chiefs pandering to the libs is sickening.
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| Gunny_2008... |
| Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:27 pm |
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"445super" <follyrun at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote in message
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# Perhaps, as these guns are cataloged one by one into a computer, an
# evaluation of whether they are illegal arms (filed off serial number,
# illegal conversion to automatic, etc.) which must be destroyed after the
# associated cases are settled, confiscated guns taken from their rightful
# owners by unconstitutional means -- and that should therefore be returned
to
# their rightful owners, or guns needed for current cases. Then they could
# auction off the remainder to the CITIZENS of NYC, to raise a little coin.
# Just an idea.
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A great source of revenue. Apply this to D.C. I wonder how many otherwise
legal guns are confiscated in D.C. every year from pimps, junkies, murders,
etc. As long as the gun is otherwise clean and legal, this could be a
goldmine to raise funds for the D.C. police.
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