You are more cerebral than the primates i train, so i ask. Why catch?

On Jun 27, SPORTfighter <billamaho... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

You are more cerebral than the primates i train, so i ask. Why catch?

You slay me, Gi.

Is there something about you, or your club,
that attracts primates?

you think of them?

Sam

They probably already saw it, my catch guys i mean.

Really? It's a very rare text. I haven't seen a copy available on the
market and I had to borrow this one through Academic Loan.

well maybe, but catch guys are weird, all like you.they say stuff like
"no the crippler was a worker...hes just thought to have been a ripper
cause the strangler tried to put himself over saying hed got him in
the double top wristlock in a shoot" and they all nod.

It just seems weird
when guys are into the history of a science, i mean being into the
silly false king fu type histories i get, even though it's lame.But
being interested in a science, where obvously it's progressed beyond
that point is weird.I mean in sciences things that work stay around,
they get better.It's almost religious the way my guys into old style
akward objects lifting.

Seems to work reasonably well. But anyway, it's not *only* about results.
It's also about being able to form a connection with your culture and your
"cultural past."

see thats my point.reasonable people lift to get strong.

Wack jobs lift
for other reasons.i mean the crazy old hippy chicks do enery feild
healing and shit, and they know its doesnt work, theyre just being
good little liberals, its willful delusion.guys like lifting like our
forefathers did as a treibute or something, my old sciencetology
freind would say theyre stuck in an engram.that they are
fetishistic.making absurd connections between activites objects and
stuff and people long dead.that lifting weird shit cause some carny
strongman MAY have once, is a pathway to being a witchdoctor and
spreading pig guts on the floor to see if its gonna rain.and
eventually believing it.

I had to read your post twice to figure out what WMA was,

Sorry. I figured the info on the Lulu site would be descriptive.

took too long, lost interest...

Vivance.

Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk

ive never been to the site.I just cant click on something saying
"little lulu"

You are more cerebral than the primates i train, so i ask. Why catch?

You slay me, Gi.

Is there something about you, or your club,
that attracts primates?

Yes, theres an ATT school down the street,

.And when a kid tried our club
whod been at att for a bit and said "the instructer there said you
guys basically just threw guys down and punched him in the face, and
heres where to learn just that kinda fighting" i said..."exactly, well
said.and here i was thinking they didnt like us."

.and we dont care about style, we
have no real syllubus i just say "heres a takedown, now we do a few
armbars, now heres a cool move i saw at naga yesterday..ok thats done,
now we roll for 8 rounds 4 minutes, then we do 4 rounds mma and go
home...oh its your first day? yeah well all you gotta know is to
tap..now heres a 5-0 mma fighter to spar with.Rules? well, do to him
whatever you are comfortable with him doing to you".

i tried running a commercial bjj type gym, but its work,
and wusses quit in a couple
months even if you coddle them.so fuck it, we just look to the just
escaped mental patient market.

you think of them?

whats weird about mma is this
you get cops, prison guards, wrestlers, criminals and oddly...
fight nerds. Thats is to say those that arent hardcore killers
or athletes wanting to make money are comic book store types
who i guess wanna be batman. and they GET GOOD.
Cause they are smart. and very honest and loyal people. plus
with no pussy options they got plently of time to train.

  Do you enjoy their company?

yes, very much.

im weird and like to be alone a ton, dont hang with
them much, but its really more that i work every day and fight night
or grappling thing every other weekend between weighins, cornering and
what not you are with a few team members all day.so you are together
so much that it really aint needed to hang.
but yeah i like em all. even the bad criminals.i mean i got
one guy whos fought on tv who is the craziest most violent person i
ever met and totally unstable.but i swear to go when someone fucked me
over is buisness he offered to kill them for me.and he was totally
serious.he had it all worked out.and that kinda friendship is deep.
yet i am scared out with him, like a bar or
something.i mean at any moment he may go mental and do something
putting him away forever, and i dont wanna go down with him.
i dont wanna be on the side of a guy whos
pure evil in a fight.i mean it aint moral.yet hed kill someone for me,
so id feel honor bound.

only one guy i can think of i dont, cause he pays
every month so i dont wanna toss him, yet for the 3rd time
i gotta remind him that he cannot go to
class wearing the same clothes as the night before if he didnt wash
them.that he smells so fukcing godaweful though i roll every day with
big gross sweaty guys..rolling with him disgusts me.

and thanks for asking, as i like to talk about myself.not in person
really, but online i think fills the roll Dr Pnewski filled for me
every tuesday thru my teens.

What is ATT, what do they do?

You never work on technique, body mechanics?
You don't do the groups lessons, just learn by doing?

I don't like that idea, people pick up bad habits easy,
hard to break.

i tried running a commercial bjj type gym, but its work,
and wusses quit in a couple
months even if you coddle them.so fuck it, we just look to the just
escaped mental patient market.

Think of it as diversity and affirmative action.

you get cops, prison guards, wrestlers, criminals and oddly...
fight nerds. Thats is to say those that arent hardcore killers
or athletes wanting to make money are comic book store types
who i guess wanna be batman. and they GET GOOD
Cause they are smart. and very honest and loyal people. plus
with no pussy options they got plently of time to train.

Joe Lauzon?
there are tons like that.hes just one of the best.

The thing about the fight nerds is, they're not the
zipper head mental defectives... what I mean is,
they like to spar in the dojang, they play hard, but
will avoid any violence outside.  Not natural fighters.

I'm an expert, I'm one of them.

  Do you enjoy their company?

yes, very much.

That's strange, you're the nerdy reading type,
not the Michelob ESPN type.

The danger there is the psycho hot heads, who
go literally insane when they lose their temper.
I've known a couple of them.  He's liable to put
a brass lamp through your skull, for no reason,
even though you are friends.

Then you never walk again, and if it's a movie,
he visits you in the hospital, and says "This has
changed me forever, Bill, I'm a new man", and
you say "My injuries are nothing, you have faced
your demons, that's what's important"

But reality isn't Hollywood, and actually you
testify against him, and he gets 5 years, and
you pray he gets killed in prison, or kills someone
there, and never sees the sun again.

and thanks for asking, as i like to talk about myself.not in person
really, but online i think fills the roll Dr Pnewski filled for me
every tuesday thru my teens.

Who is Dr. Pewski, what happens on Tuesday?

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 20:44:09 -0700, SPORTfighter wrote:
They probably already saw it, my catch guys i mean.

Really?  It's a very rare text.  I haven't seen a copy available on the
market and I had to borrow this one through Academic Loan.

well maybe, but catch guys are weird, all like you.they say stuff like
"no the crippler was a worker...hes just thought to have been a ripper
cause the strangler tried to put himself over saying hed got him in
the double top wristlock in a shoot" and they all nod.

I'll let you in on a secret.  Other MA folks think MMA/BJJ folks are
weird.  They say thinks like, "Well, we were rolling and he started with a
Wizzer and transitioned to double underhooks but I took an overhook then
later there was a single that turned into a double but and he tried a
leo but it didn't work so I went to guard and sunk a good triangle but
he slipped it and tried a pick-up for a slam but I sunk a guillotine and
check-mated him" and they all nod.

It just seems weird
when guys are into the history of a science, i mean being into the
silly false king fu type histories i get, even though it's lame.But
being interested in a science, where obvously it's progressed beyond
that point is weird.I mean in sciences things that work stay around,
they get better.It's almost religious the way my guys into old style
akward objects lifting.

Seems to work reasonably well.  But anyway, it's not *only* about results.
It's also about being able to form a connection with your culture and your
"cultural past."

see thats my point.reasonable people lift to get strong.

No.  Reasonable people lift certain things in a certain way to get a
certain kind of strength which is widely believed helps them with some
things such as grappling or getting chicks.

Classical "Physical Culture" advocates honestly believe that similar (or
at least very good) results in strength can be gained by using these
"older methods."  They are satisfied that they can get "decent strength"
but beyond that, they believe that it enhances other aspects of their
strength not well addressed by common Weight Lifting methods, such as
"muscular stamina" (which is different from cardio endurance).  This is
particularly true, in my estimation, for such things as "Indian Club" work
(which I admit, I do not do).  It greatly builds the muscles and stamina
which are useful for holding and using weapons.  Further, as I said, there
is an emotional connection for many.  Sometimes it's the connection they
feel to their cultural history.  Sometimes it's just a draw to what seems
"exotic."

Nevertheless, I agree with you partially: Modern Weight Lifting methods
excel at improving strength.  The best in history, really.  Pinnacle of
modern achievement.  However, it has to be done *RIGHT*.  And that ain't
easy or intuitive.  A person really needs a weight lifting coach, or at
least some semi-professional to teach them the basics of how to safely
perform their lifts, what lifts to do, what order, progression, stacking,
routine, circuit, rotation, etc.  In my estimation, one of the things that
most (certainly not all!) classic "Physical Culture" workouts do is
present a method of gaining reasonably good amounts of strength and
muscular endurance in a safe and intuitive way.  (I will caveat that there
are a very few out there that, in my estimation, are every bit as
dangerous and likely to cause injury as weight lifting improperly -
usually in the "transitional" time period as Physical Culture was
beginning to embrace more modern Weight Lifting and Stretching ideas.)

Wack jobs lift
for other reasons.i mean the crazy old hippy chicks do enery feild
healing and shit, and they know its doesnt work, theyre just being
good little liberals, its willful delusion.guys like lifting like our
forefathers did as a treibute or something, my old sciencetology
freind would say theyre stuck in an engram.that they are
fetishistic.making absurd connections between activites objects and
stuff and people long dead.that lifting weird shit cause some carny
strongman MAY have once, is a pathway to being a witchdoctor and
spreading pig guts on the floor to see if its gonna rain.and
eventually believing it.

Shrug>  There are lunatics everywhere.  I don't know what to tell ya..
What I can say is that using classic Physical Culture techniques (what we
sometimes think of as lifting weird stuff in odd ways) can have good
results, unexpected results, address areas which aren't as well addressed
by the modern lifting science (because few people even care about
producing those sort of results anymore), and can be useful (sometimes to
some people).  Maybe there are ways of doing it better, but often they
just aren't in the offering.  I mean, really, what's the weigh-lifting
routine recommended by modern science for someone who's practicing 18th c..
Highland Broadsword?

I had to read your post twice to figure out what WMA was,

Sorry.  I figured the info on the Lulu site would be descriptive.

took too long, lost interest...

Vivance.

Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk

ive never been to the site.I just cant click on something saying
"little lulu"

There's no "little" in the title.  Sorry.

yeah well add one.its creepier.

i tried running a commercial bjj type gym, but its work,
and wusses quit in a couple
months even if you coddle them.so fuck it, we just look to the just
escaped mental patient market.

Think of it as diversity and affirmative action.

i do. Ive long advocated that getting psyco dudes to punch me instead
of you should earn me a government grant.

The thing about the fight nerds is, they're not the
zipper head mental defectives... what I mean is,
they like to spar in the dojang, they play hard, but
will avoid any violence outside.  Not natural fighters.
I'm an expert, I'm one of them.

yeah but something to be said for a crazy kid with 100
streetfights. when one of them can become a fightnerd you got a
monster.

  Do you enjoy their company?

yes, very much.

That's strange, you're the nerdy reading type,
not the Michelob ESPN type.

yeah well zoologists hang out with animals.

and thanks for asking, as i like to talk about myself.not in person
really, but online i think fills the roll Dr Pnewski filled for me
every tuesday thru my teens.

Who is Dr. Pewski, what happens on Tuesday?

pnewski. my childhood headshrinker.

i do. Ive long advocated that getting psyco dudes to punch me instead
of you should earn me a government grant.

Hire a consultant to write a grant proposal,
I guarantee there are psychology and sociology
professors at Harvard who would love to study you.

"The lower socioeconomic classes engage in
ritual combat which provides an escape outlet
for their anger at class oppression by the oligarchy"

yeah but something to be said for a crazy kid with 100
streetfights. when one of them can become a fightnerd you got a
monster.

So you see Kimbo Slice as a future champ?

  Do you enjoy their company?

yes, very much.

That's strange, you're the nerdy reading type,
not the Michelob ESPN type.

yeah well zoologists hang out with animals.

new business card:
"Bill Mahoney, Zookeeper, South Shore Monkey House"

and thanks for asking, as i like to talk about myself.not in person
really, but online i think fills the roll Dr Pnewski filled for me
every tuesday thru my teens.

Who is Dr. Pewski, what happens on Tuesday?

pnewski. my childhood headshrinker.

What's his diagnosis?