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| M.C. Williams... |
 Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:54 pm |
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I have a 700 Mountain Rifle in 7mm-08 and ammo prices are crazy, they
usually cost twice as much as .308 around $30-35 a box. I have been
seeing a lot of Prvi-Partizan softpoints in this cal for $12.50 and guys
on the PAFOA say they shoot well and are clean but have not tested
expansion or killed game with them.
About 20 years ago I bought some German off brand .308s named'
Hurtenburger' sotpoints and they shot well in my 700 but the softpoints
were useless, they just looked like softpoints, the only thing they
would open on was a leaf spring from the back of an old Buick. I fear
this stuff may be the same and where I live now I can't shoot in the
yard much and will have difficulty testing expansion cause at the range
you can only shoot paper. If they actually open I would buy a supply of
them to hedge off future increases in price.
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| chasw... |
| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:21 am |
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FWIW, I bought some Privi Partizan ammo back around 1990, several 50-round
boxes of.45 acp 230 gr FMJ. It was definitely the most accurate factory
ammo my faithful Colt ever sent downrange. I saved as many of the cases as
I could, they were made like jewels, perfect in every respect, and I may
still have some in my mixed-headstamp coffee can. - CW
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| Jonathan Spencer... |
| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:47 am |
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In message <g3rtvr$l3b$1 at (no spam) grapevine.wam.umd.edu>, M.C. Williams
<UNCLEMONTE at (no spam) webtv.net> writes
# I have a 700 Mountain Rifle in 7mm-08 and ammo prices are crazy, they
#usually cost twice as much as .308 around $30-35 a box. I have been
#seeing a lot of Prvi-Partizan softpoints in this cal for $12.50
You'd be paying $17/20 here and that's at $2 to the pound. PP is made
in Serbia. As factory ammo goes, for deer hunting it's as good as any
other and a lot cheaper than many.
#and guys
#on the PAFOA
on the what?
# About 20 years ago I bought some German off brand .308s named'
#Hurtenburger' sotpoints
Hirtenberger is Austrian, not German. I'm surprised you weren't happy
with it.
#and they shot well in my 700 but the softpoints
#were useless, they just looked like softpoints, the only thing they
#would open on was a leaf spring from the back of an old Buick.
Eh? You test soft point bullets by shooting them against leaf springs?
I didn't realise there is a season on Buicks: what's the bag limit? ;-)
#I fear
#this stuff may be the same and where I live now I can't shoot in the
#yard much and will have difficulty testing expansion cause at the range
#you can only shoot paper. If they actually open I would buy a supply of
#them to hedge off future increases in price.
If you're intending to use them on deer then they'll be fine. If you're
going to test them, at least test them on a tissue simulant.
--
Jonathan
A good reputation is more valuable than money.
Publilius Syrus (~100 BC), Maxims
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| M.C. Williams... |
| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:55 am |
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Well Jonathan I bet you have a good reputation as a smart mouth! I
tested the Hertenberger by shooting into water jugs backed by wet news
paper at 150 yards, they went through 2 jugs and 2 1/2 feet of the wet
paper and just scuffed the lead off the point. They shoot nice groups
but don't expand on soft material.
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| penultimate... |
| Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:15 pm |
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On Jun 27, 9:32 am, Jonathan Spencer <j... at (no spam) jonathan-spencer.co.uk>
wrote:
Regarding Hirtenberger current production commercial ammunition, I
shoot both 5.6x50mm Magnum and 7x57R. The ammunition is at least as
accurate as my best handloads in 5.6 and as accurate as I can hold
with open sights on an under 6lb stocking rifle in the 7x57R. And big
game bullet performance is outstanding because the 7x57R load is the
175 grain Nosler partition. The 5.6 rounds come with a Sierra
bullet. The only Hirtenberger commercial ammo source in America I
know is Century Arms - though there might be another and certainly
retailers that buy from Century. Hirtenberger is a well known name
and widely available in Europe - with RWS and Norma dominating the
sporting ammo market there.
Hirtenberger AG continues a division making military munitions but
some time ago sold its sporting ammunition division to RUAG which also
markets the RWS and Norma lines. You can find relatively current
information in:
http://www.genschow.com/pdf/Hirtenberger-Flyer-engl.pdf
You may also note that all bullets are either Nosler or Sierra ---
RUAG's key selling point for the Hirtenberger line relative to RWS and
Norma. And in 308 I would certainly not imagine any expansion
problems with either a Nosler Partition or Sierra Gameking (on deer or
antelope).
This said, M.C. Williams comments are re. "twenty years ago." Beyond
it being a different time and place and who knows what Hirtenberger
was selling then, this is far enough back that I would not necessarily
trust my own memory, Since I would gess better than 99 of 100
Hirtenberger rounds ever fired on US soil have been milsurp and lots
of Hirtenberger 7.62 Nato rounds have been imported over the years,
possibly this was his point of experience and he in memory is
confusing some form of hard-tipped AP round that appeared like a
softpoint. As another possible point of conjecture, possibly he got
his hands on a box of "game-keeper" market rounds that use very
limited expansion/non-fragmenting bullet used on venison to be
marketed. The idea is a precision shot, very little lost meat, and no
nasty bullet fragments caught in the teeth of a fraulein dining on
venison. If you look at an RWS bullet catalog, you will see some
options of which we are generally ignorant. Your German hunter knows
about them, however,
All of this said, I'd pretty much agree with Spencer about PRVI
PARTISAN for deer. If they are accurate in your rifle, that is good
enough. And having shot a few deer that dropped just fine with 30-06
suplus ball in my youth and never having had a bullet that penetrated
fail to do the intended job, I'd worry more about accuracy and
penetration than expansion anyway.
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