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chipschap at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:22 am
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Quote:
Yes, bits matter. But there is a /huge/ gulf between pen and paper and
something on board that someone has taken a bit of care over draughting,
plus the actual pieces on the board would be your standard checkers.

A relatively easy way to make an attractive board (or at least a quite
acceptable one), without needing a lot of crafting ability, is to buy
small ceramic tiles and glue them to a wooden backing (plywood sanded
on one side for instance).
Rich Hutnik...
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:54 am
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On Jun 10, 3:50 am, Peter Clinch <p.j.cli... at (no spam) dundee.ac.uk> wrote:
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Rich Hutnik wrote:
On Jun 9, 6:18 pm, "chipsc... at (no spam) gmail.com" <chipsc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
At least in the United States, you can't find them anywhere. They
aren't even online here.
L'ssociation québécoise des joueurs de dames in Canada advertises
10x10 and 12x12 boards, so at least there is a North American Source.
See

http://www.fqjr.qc.ca/dames/materiel.html

Completely in French, though I suppose you can do a Google traduction.

Ok, Canada, in French Smile How about the United States in English?

So "anywhere" actually means "anywhere in my own back yard"?

If it's something you want and are looking for, is that really too big a
step?


"Anywhere" means "anywhere in the average Joe's background". People
need to think a bit differently here. Not just what they can do for
themselves, but how it is available for others who may be new. What I
was saying is that, because 10x10 boards are not readily available in
North America, and likely everywhere, you have a hard time getting any
game that uses a 10x10 board adopted.

I can make my own for personal use if I needed to. Don't expect
others to do the same though.

- Rich
Rich Hutnik...
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:58 am
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On Jun 10, 12:14 pm, "chipsc... at (no spam) gmail.com" <chipsc... at (no spam) gmail.com>
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I have learned from this thread:
there are people in the US who want to buy 10x10 checkers boards
they don't know how, or are unwilling, to find a supplier outside the
US
such boards can be manufactured in the US, for little effort

This suggests a business opportunity.

Unfortunately it may be a very small market. Even 8x8 checkerboards
that meet American Checker Federation specifications are uncommon
enoug, though not quite impossible to find.

In order to get a regulation ACF checker set, you have to order from
their store directly. There is a more than favorable chance that such
equipment will be available elsewhere pretty soon.

I have had conversations with them, and the barriers to get them
spread is fairly large. This is the basis upon which I have spoken in
this thread.

- Rich
David Richerby...
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:25 am
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Rich Hutnik <richardhutnik at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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... because 10x10 boards are not readily available in North
America...

Last time I looked, Canada was in North America.


Dave.

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Quadibloc...
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:00 pm
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On Jun 14, 2:25 pm, David Richerby <dav... at (no spam) chiark.greenend.org.uk>
wrote:
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Rich Hutnik <richardhut... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

... because 10x10 boards are not readily available in North
America...

Last time I looked, Canada was in North America.

And 10 by 10 boards aren't available readily there (here) either,
since we play our Checkers the same 8 by 8 way they Draughts in the
mother country. But I don't know about Mexico.

John Savard
Quadibloc...
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:14 pm
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On Jun 14, 1:58 pm, Rich Hutnik <richardhut... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
In order to get a regulation ACF checker set, you have to order from
their store directly.  There is a more than favorable chance that such
equipment will be available elsewhere pretty soon.

I have had conversations with them, and the barriers to get them
spread is fairly large.  This is the basis upon which I have spoken in
this thread.

Aside from the fact that given the sheer pain of the three-move
restriction - and image problems of Checkers in comparison to Chess -
has limited *serious* interest in Checkers to a level far below that
which exists in Chess, there is another problem.

Their *regulations* are verging on the silly, which leads stores to
expect low demand for sets that meet them.

They require a board with exactly 2 inch squares. This is at the low
end for tournament chess boards; if they instead allowed the same
flexibility that the USCF and FIDE allow for tournament chess boards,
it would be easier to make combination chess and checkers sets.

Green and buff are a good color for the squares on the board; Chess
players would have no quarrel with that.

But white and red checkers, I feel, are not a good choice. Checkers is
played on the green squares. Red doesn't contrast well with green - if
you're color-blind. And because the red checkers are the *light*
checkers in a conventional set of red and black checkers, people will
be confused about which checkers in the regulation set correspond to
which checkers in a conventional set.

White and blue? Yellow and black? White and a light green shade that
still contrasts well with the green squares? Chess players seem to
think that white and black pieces don't lead to eyestrain, but then it
is true that it can be hard to tell if a black checker is turned King
side up.

But maybe white and red was the best choice, and people can get used
to it.

John Savard
chipschap at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:36 pm
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On Jun 14, 6:00 pm, Quadibloc <jsav... at (no spam) ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
Quote:
On Jun 14, 2:25 pm, David Richerby <dav... at (no spam) chiark.greenend.org.uk
wrote:

Rich Hutnik <richardhut... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
... because 10x10 boards are not readily available in North
America...
Last time I looked, Canada was in North America.

And 10 by 10 boards aren't available readily there (here) either,
since we play our Checkers the same 8 by 8 way they Draughts in the
mother country. But I don't know about Mexico.

As I pointed out earlier in this thread, you *can* get 10x10 boards
from several sources in Quebec. We won't however start the debate on
whether Quebec is properly part of Canada Smile
Quadibloc...
Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 4:09 pm
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On Jun 14, 6:36 pm, "chipsc... at (no spam) gmail.com" <chipsc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
As I pointed out earlier in this thread, you *can* get 10x10 boards
from several sources in Quebec. We won't however start the debate on
whether Quebec is properly part of Canada Smile

Oh, I missed that. I would have expected to find 12 by 12 boards in
Quebec, along with 8 by 8 boards. They've been pretty isolated from
France for a long time.

John Savard
Quadibloc...
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:11 pm
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On Jun 11, 11:34 am, Quadibloc <jsav... at (no spam) ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

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Now, I remember that a few years ago, a Canadian firm - AMAV might
have been its name - produced a "500 Game" set

Actually, it was "222 Games".

John Savard
chipschap at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:07 am
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Quote:
I suspect that even the most rabid Quebecois would still be willing
to grant that they are part of North America, however.

C'est vrai, ca, mais peut-etre ils ne l'aiment pas beaucoup....
Chris Mattern...
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:57 am
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On 2008-06-10, chipschap at (no spam) gmail.com <chipschap at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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But to return to the topic of this group: a big advantage for chess is
that you can go virtually anywhere and play. The rules are the same.
It is truly international. Checkers / draughts is fragmented, and the
same thing is not true. What you play in the U.K. will not be what
you play in France, and likely not what you play in Montreal, though
it *is* likely to be what you might play in Winnipeg. Even in the
U.S. you might play "straight" or you might play "pool" checkers
depending on the locale. In Italy it's different again ... and on and
on.

Indeed, imagine what it would be like if you found they played a different
chess in Japan, another different chess in China, and yet again another
in Korea...


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Chris Mattern...
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:04 am
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On 2008-06-15, chipschap at (no spam) gmail.com <chipschap at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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On Jun 14, 6:00 pm, Quadibloc <jsav... at (no spam) ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
On Jun 14, 2:25 pm, David Richerby <dav... at (no spam) chiark.greenend.org.uk
wrote:

Rich Hutnik <richardhut... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
... because 10x10 boards are not readily available in North
America...
Last time I looked, Canada was in North America.

And 10 by 10 boards aren't available readily there (here) either,
since we play our Checkers the same 8 by 8 way they Draughts in the
mother country. But I don't know about Mexico.

As I pointed out earlier in this thread, you *can* get 10x10 boards
from several sources in Quebec. We won't however start the debate on
whether Quebec is properly part of Canada Smile

I suspect that even the most rabid Quebecois would still be willing
to grant that they are part of North America, however.


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chipschap at (no spam) gmail.com...
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:01 pm
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Quote:
Indeed, imagine what it would be like if you found they played a different
chess in Japan, another different chess in China, and yet again another
in Korea...

I take your point, but they also all play "western" chess as a
standard as well. Games such as Shogi and Xiang Qi exist alongside
western chess, not as a near-exclusive replacement. This is not true
for checkers / draughts, unfortunately..
 
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