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| Sam the Bam... |
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On Jun 21, roger taylor <r... at (no spam) NoSpamhawklan.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Prosecution would depend on the usage -
increasing in severity from brandishing to threatening to using.
Personally I would regard owning guns for protection as a civic duty.
My only caveat would be extensive public education to de-Hollywoodize
our grievously ignorant public.
If you fall off your sofa, then you shoot the sofa...
would that be legitimate self defense?
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| Sam the Bam... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 2:27 pm |
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On Jun 22, h... at (no spam) nospam.org wrote:
Quote: Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because
of gun control: 56 million
you're preaching to the choir reverend. Ironically, the gun ban will
come from the right wing, not the left like you've been brainwashed to
fear.
Obama is one of the leading gun grabbers in the country, dildo!
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| Herb Martin... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:51 pm |
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"Sam the Bam" <samthebam1 at (no spam) lycos.com> wrote in message
news:fff315aa-b2f0-489b-a558-5860f02bdfd7 at (no spam) 79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 21, "Herb Martin" <n... at (no spam) learnquick.com> wrote:
Quote: Agreed. Just like in business, proper planning and due care makes it
less likely that you will become a target for successful lawsuits and
so on.
Exactly -- have plan, and a backup plan, and a ah $# at (no spam) $# plan.
If you are prepared and ready to execute all those you problably
won't need any of them. <grin
"Be cordial. Be professional. And have a plan to kill
everyone you meet."
Well yes, I was thinking of that but decided to not be quite
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| Benj... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:04 pm |
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On Jun 23, 12:00 am, Gernot Hassenpflug <ger... at (no spam) nict.go.jp> wrote:
Quote: It's very simple: just learn to read what I wrote, not believe what
you think. 
OK, lets go for it!
Do you REALLY believe this? What you are clearly saying is that ANY
victim of crime is a schmuck! Hence you clearly view anyone who is the
prey of criminals as fools and contemptible persons. Thus you are
saying that all the dead at Virgina Tech are all fools? So please
explain to us just WHY these unarmed defenseless students were fools?
Quote: schmuck + gun = still schmuck = still prey
Next you are saying that if prey (you call them fools and
contemptible) happen to have a gun that they are not only still fools
and contemptible but they are also still prey! Is there the LEAST bit
of logic or reason here? Not only is your contention that that victims
are fools totally wrong, but implicit in your argument here is that
possession of a firearm does NOTHING to change the balance of power
between predator and prey. So Mr. genius, please tell us what if
anything is capable of turning a victim into a victor? Police? Why do
police have that power? Oh yes. They have guns. And what to guns do?
Oh that's right they all them to dominate a hostile transaction! If a
person is "dominating" a hostile situation are they still prey? I
think not.
Quote: Do you notice that schmuck is on the left side of the equation?
Do you notice that your carefully dissected statements are the
babblings of a lunatic? You have the nerve to accuse me of having no
reading comprehension when you can't make the most simple of logical
progressions?
Quote: I'm not telling you anything of the sort. I bet there were at least
half of the readers who could actually read what I wrote! Your problem
is not that you are stupid or ignorant, but that you brought some
assumptions to the table that were not true.
Since we just dissected your statements and found them making no
sense, it's clear that I was REQUIRED to take a wild guess at what
your were trying to say. Quite frankly I STILL have no idea what you
are trying to say!
How about you just stop and and think this through and then tell us
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:05 pm |
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:27:00 -0700 (PDT), Sam the Bam
<samthebam1 at (no spam) lycos.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jun 22, h... at (no spam) nospam.org wrote:
Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because
of gun control: 56 million
you're preaching to the choir reverend. Ironically, the gun ban will
come from the right wing, not the left like you've been brainwashed to
fear.
Obama is one of the leading gun grabbers in the country, dildo!
gun outlawing and confiscation will not be done by Obama. The right
wing will wait until they are back in power again. They will wait
until they've trashed the economy a bit more, destroyed the middle
class a bit more, eroded The Constitution a bit more. Then once they
have another mindless puppet back in power, they will create another
disaster, declare martial law, outlaw all guns. And you will have the
fascist police state they all want so badly.
Hal
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:07 pm |
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On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 19:29:24 -0400, "David L. Burkhead"
<dburkhead at (no spam) sff.net> wrote:
Quote: clearly you are the one without a grip on reality. Stand by. Time
will prove me correct, unfortunately.
The only "correct" possibe is of the stopped clock variety.
I understand your need for living in denial. You aren't capable of
coping with the horror of the rest of your life.
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| Gernot Hassenpflug... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:00 pm |
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Benj <bjacoby at (no spam) iwaynet.net> writes:
Quote: On Jun 21, 11:02 am, Gernot Hassenpflug <ger... at (no spam) coda.ocn.ne.jp> wrote:
Ah, no, the schmuck is the one carriyng a gun but prey nevertheless.
Gosh, Gernot, we are interested in your theory here. Please explain to
us (and to all the dead at Virginia Tech) how being prey but also
being armed makes you a Schmuck ( A Jewish word meaning a foolish or
contemptible person...and in slang usage also is taken to mean a
"dick")?
It's very simple: just learn to read what I wrote, not believe what
you think.
schmuck = prey
schmuck + gun = still schmuck = still prey
Do you notice that schmuck is on the left side of the equation?
Quote: Apparently you are telling us all ...
I'm not telling you anything of the sort. I bet there were at least
half of the readers who could actually read what I wrote! Your problem
is not that you are stupid or ignorant, but that you brought some
assumptions to the table that were not true.
Quote: This is SO far from reason as to defy comprehension!
And amazingly, this did not stop you from continuing without going
back and reading what I wrote?!? Astounding! :-)
Quote: As for your other comments on my post, Herb Martin answered them
quite nicely!
You and Herb seem to be the only ones unable to read here. I bet you
can reread and see what I wrote now that I have diligently pointed it
out to you
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| Gernot Hassenpflug... |
| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:01 pm |
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"Herb Martin" <news at (no spam) learnquick.com> writes:
Quote: "Gernot Hassenpflug" <gernot at (no spam) coda.ocn.ne.jp> wrote in message
news:87ej6q2yuo.fsf at (no spam) aikishugyo.dnsdojo.org...
"Herb Martin" <news at (no spam) learnquick.com> writes:
"Gernot Hassenpflug" <gernot at (no spam) coda.ocn.ne.jp> wrote in message
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Benj <bjacoby at (no spam) iwaynet.net> writes:
On Jun 20, 11:15 pm, Gernot Hassenpflug <ger... at (no spam) nict.go.jp> wrote:
/../
Actually he said everyone SHOULD carry he didn't say everyone should
be FORCED to carry! He called it a "civic duty" as indeed it is. A
I read it as force everyone to carry. Sorry if that was not the intent.
It's still wrong -- everyone should NOT carry, only those who
determine themselves willing and able to accept the responsibility.
Geez, with all these posts advocating different stuff, I guess I just
had to get it wrong Thanks for the explanations and arguments
below, pretty much agree with that.
You do know this is Usenet, and you aren't ever supposed to
admit you learned something, right? <GRIN
<g> just this once!
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| Sam the Bam... |
| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:50 pm |
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On Jun 22, "Herb Martin" <n... at (no spam) learnquick.com> wrote:
Quote: Exactly -- have plan, and a backup plan, and a ah $# at (no spam) $# plan.
If you are prepared and ready to execute all those you problably
won't need any of them. <grin
"Be cordial. Be professional. And have a plan to kill
everyone you meet."
Well yes, I was thinking of that but decided to not be quite
so obvoius.
Who is credited with saying that?
I heard it in a film, at least 15 years ago...
alas, I cannot remember which. Sounds
like Charles Bronson, doesn't it?
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| Gernot Hassenpflug... |
| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:23 am |
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Sam the Bam <samthebam1 at (no spam) lycos.com> writes:
Quote: On Jun 22, "Herb Martin" <n... at (no spam) learnquick.com> wrote:
Exactly -- have plan, and a backup plan, and a ah $# at (no spam) $# plan.
If you are prepared and ready to execute all those you problably
won't need any of them. <grin
"Be cordial. Be professional. And have a plan to kill
everyone you meet."
Well yes, I was thinking of that but decided to not be quite
so obvoius.
Who is credited with saying that?
I heard it in a film, at least 15 years ago...
alas, I cannot remember which. Sounds
like Charles Bronson, doesn't it?
Can't be Charles Bronson. He doesn't use such long sentences... LOL
CB was IMHO a great actor who never took himself too seriously. Awesome!
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