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gman...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 4:53 am
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On May 28, 8:55 am, David Sherman <possibl... at (no spam) possible20.org> wrote:
Quote:
For a "modern" Ring cycle:

James Levine and the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra

I don't know what you'll think of the performers on this recording, but I
saw the production at the Met with Levine conducting and it was beyond
spectacular.

I feel that the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra under the baton of Levine is
one of the best ensembles in the world.  Yes, you heard right - in the
world!  Levine's performances are always of the highest caliber.

Released in 2002 on Deutsche Grammophon, it's worth a look.
Not to mention the absolutely MAGNIFICENT Brunnhilde of Hildegard

Behrens, probably the greatest, most complete characterization, and
totally idiomatic. You are right, Levine, the Met Orchestra and the
great Behrens makes this set indispensible.
WagnerMacht
Andy...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:15 am
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On May 28, 10:53 am, gman <gastonomeis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 28, 8:55 am, David Sherman <possibl... at (no spam) possible20.org> wrote:> For a "modern" Ring cycle:

James Levine and the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra

I don't know what you'll think of the performers on this recording, but I
saw the production at the Met with Levine conducting and it was beyond
spectacular.

I feel that the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra under the baton of Levine is
one of the best ensembles in the world. Yes, you heard right - in the
world! Levine's performances are always of the highest caliber.

Released in 2002 on Deutsche Grammophon, it's worth a look.

Not to mention the absolutely MAGNIFICENT Brunnhilde of Hildegard
Behrens, probably the greatest, most complete characterization, and
totally idiomatic. You are right, Levine, the Met Orchestra and the
great Behrens makes this set indispensible.
WagnerMacht

On the subject of inexpensive Rings, I just ordered the Clemens Krauss
version from an Amazon seller for about $7.00, including shipping.
I wasn't really looking to buy that one, but why not for that price.
Appears to be available for about the same on ebay.
Jeterbug...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:23 am
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On May 27, 3:34�pm, Bog.lyub... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Hi friends,

A trouble to me. �An opera-fan old gentleman is going to have his
birthday celebration, I was "ordered" to look for a fantastic and more
modern "Der Ring des Nibelungen" CDs for him. �Ah, 13+ hours music +
singing, I got no clue, can someone help?

(What kills me is that he knows opera...)

Tonnes of thanks.

Blessings
SF

I do think the DVd Barenboim Ring combines some modern elements with
traditional elements..not a crazy production..but beautifully done..I
highly recommend it to you.....CH
Jeterbug...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:26 am
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On May 27, 5:21�pm, "Wagner Fan" <wagner... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Quote:
"John Bryant" <brit... at (no spam) googlemail.com> wrote in message

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On May 27, 9:47 pm, Lionel Tacchini <lionel.tacch... at (no spam) arcor.de> wrote:



40 years old is not "modern".

No, but it *sounds* "modern".

This 4 year old production under Bertrand de Billy might do much
better for someone who most certainly knows all the holy cows which
will be discussed here and would enjoy finding out what has been
happening relatively
recently:http://www.jpc.de/jpcng/classic/detail/-/hnum/9950285

You may well be right, and I'm sure that the OP will take note of all
recommendations - as would I.

It's on DVD though.

That's great if one has a DVD player, but I haven't. Thanks anyway,
it's always good to hear an alternative view.

Regards,

JB.

No no - get the Solti - its the one Ring to have if you're having only one -
it better cast than any other complete, has stupendous sound and its
extremely satisfying for a first timer - one can go into other versions with
other virtues later on. �Wagner Fan

I am of the opinion that a monumntal work like the Ring DESERVES you
spend all your money and purchase on CD/DVD what you cn..Yes,the
Solti,plus the Dereyck Cook analysis of the Ring...and so much
else.......Even the modern stuff (The Boulez...which is MILD compared
to the crazy ones like the Stuttgart) is valuable.....It takes time
and effort..but this body of work is so well worth spending time and
gelt...Good Luck CH
AMH...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:22 am
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On May 28, 12:32 pm, "Wagner Fan" <wagner... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Quote:
"Andy" <amhendr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

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On May 28, 10:53 am, gman <gastonomeis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 28, 8:55 am, David Sherman <possibl... at (no spam) possible20.org> wrote:> For
a "modern" Ring cycle:

James Levine and the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra

I don't know what you'll think of the performers on this recording, but
I
saw the production at the Met with Levine conducting and it was beyond
spectacular.

I feel that the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra under the baton of Levine
is
one of the best ensembles in the world. Yes, you heard right - in the
world! Levine's performances are always of the highest caliber.

Released in 2002 on Deutsche Grammophon, it's worth a look.

Not to mention the absolutely MAGNIFICENT Brunnhilde of Hildegard
Behrens, probably the greatest, most complete characterization, and
totally idiomatic. You are right, Levine, the Met Orchestra and the
great Behrens makes this set indispensible.
WagnerMacht

On the subject of inexpensive Rings, I just ordered the Clemens Krauss
version from an Amazon seller for about $7.00, including shipping.
I wasn't really looking to buy that one, but why not for that price.
Appears to be available for about the same on ebay.

It depends on the pressing - the best current remastering is the Opera D'Oro
and the worst is the Archipel which has some strange simulated stereo sound
on the Rheingold. Wagner Fan

Its the Opera D'Oro pressing. At least it is supposed to be. I
suppose I'll find out.
...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:22 am
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On May 28, 8:22 pm, AMH <amhendr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 28, 12:32 pm, "Wagner Fan" <wagner... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:





"Andy" <amhendr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:2d9f3b03-2db2-40e6-9f68-31477c208e7e at (no spam) d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

On May 28, 10:53 am, gman <gastonomeis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 28, 8:55 am, David Sherman <possibl... at (no spam) possible20.org> wrote:> For
a "modern" Ring cycle:

James Levine and the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra

I don't know what you'll think of the performers on this recording, but
I
saw the production at the Met with Levine conducting and it was beyond
spectacular.

I feel that the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra under the baton of Levine
is
one of the best ensembles in the world.  Yes, you heard right - in the
world!  Levine's performances are always of the highest caliber.

Released in 2002 on Deutsche Grammophon, it's worth a look.

Not to mention the absolutely MAGNIFICENT Brunnhilde of Hildegard
Behrens, probably the greatest, most complete characterization, and
totally idiomatic. You are right, Levine, the Met Orchestra and the
great Behrens makes this set indispensible.
WagnerMacht

On the subject of inexpensive Rings, I just ordered the Clemens Krauss
version from  an Amazon seller for about $7.00, including shipping.
I wasn't really looking to buy that one, but why not for that price.
Appears to be available for about the same on ebay.

It depends on the pressing - the best current remastering is the Opera D'Oro
and the worst is the Archipel which has some strange simulated stereo sound
on the Rheingold.  Wagner Fan

Its the Opera D'Oro pressing.  At least it is supposed to be. I
suppose I'll find out.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Kruass has AMAZING singers. If I were to buy a set based on singers
only, this is the BEST of all of them in my opinion. The sonics,
however, are early '50's and on a much lower level. So if sonics is
important to the OP, this will be a disappointment. If the OP's gift
will not be a first version, then this could be appropriate. SOmeone
who knows Wagner would know this set.

ALl the other versions have some sorts of tradeoffs. Solti is probably
the best all around in terms of singers and sound. However, the OP
could also consider buying each individual opera separately. This way,
he could mix and match and come up trumps all the way around. Anyway,
it's a thought.
David Sherman...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:55 am
Guest
For a "modern" Ring cycle:

James Levine and the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra

I don't know what you'll think of the performers on this recording, but I
saw the production at the Met with Levine conducting and it was beyond
spectacular.

I feel that the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra under the baton of Levine is
one of the best ensembles in the world. Yes, you heard right - in the
world! Levine's performances are always of the highest caliber.

Released in 2002 on Deutsche Grammophon, it's worth a look.
Terry...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:00 am
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 19:32:21 +1000, Wagner Fan wrote
(in article <XrednarToIM7u6DVnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d at (no spam) comcast.com>):

Quote:
"Terry" <bozo at (no spam) clown.invalid> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C4634EC6003DCD9CB01AD9AF at (no spam) news.tpg.com.au...
On Wed, 28 May 2008 05:34:36 +1000, Bog.lyubovi at (no spam) gmail.com wrote
(in article
14756d85-697a-48dd-868a-9dd982cb45a7 at (no spam) v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):

Hi friends,

A trouble to me. An opera-fan old gentleman is going to have his
birthday celebration, I was "ordered" to look for a fantastic and more
modern "Der Ring des Nibelungen" CDs for him. Ah, 13+ hours music +
singing, I got no clue, can someone help?

(What kills me is that he knows opera...)

Tonnes of thanks.

Blessings
SF

Get him the Janowski, on RCA. I've taken a long time over it, and have
listened to a lot of sets, and have come to the conclusion that this is
the
best set of all, when all factors are taken into account.

--
Cheers!

Terry


Not a good idea for a first timer since he will have to pay extra for the
libretti - and also put up with an almost but not quite Brunnhilde (not a
good idea) Wagner Fan



It's the set with the smallest number of serious faults, and one would
presume the old gentleman would already have a libretto. Anyway, you can buy
the old fellow a complete libretto in a good translation and scholarly notes
for just $18, and enhance the gift.

--
Cheers!

Terry
Niklas N...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:12 am
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I second the Janowski box on RCA

/Niklas

"Terry" <bozo at (no spam) clown.invalid> skrev i meddelandet
news:0001HW.C4634EC6003DCD9CB01AD9AF at (no spam) news.tpg.com.au...
Quote:
On Wed, 28 May 2008 05:34:36 +1000, Bog.lyubovi at (no spam) gmail.com wrote
(in article
14756d85-697a-48dd-868a-9dd982cb45a7 at (no spam) v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):

Hi friends,

A trouble to me. An opera-fan old gentleman is going to have his
birthday celebration, I was "ordered" to look for a fantastic and more
modern "Der Ring des Nibelungen" CDs for him. Ah, 13+ hours music +
singing, I got no clue, can someone help?

(What kills me is that he knows opera...)

Tonnes of thanks.

Blessings
SF

Get him the Janowski, on RCA. I've taken a long time over it, and have
listened to a lot of sets, and have come to the conclusion that this is
the
best set of all, when all factors are taken into account.

--
Cheers!

Terry
Wagner Fan...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:25 am
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"Niklas N" <niklas.nydahl at (no spam) telia.com> wrote in message
news:LLd%j.7707$R_4.6299 at (no spam) newsb.telia.net...
Quote:
I second the Janowski box on RCA

/Niklas

"Terry" <bozo at (no spam) clown.invalid> skrev i meddelandet
news:0001HW.C4634EC6003DCD9CB01AD9AF at (no spam) news.tpg.com.au...
On Wed, 28 May 2008 05:34:36 +1000, Bog.lyubovi at (no spam) gmail.com wrote
(in article
14756d85-697a-48dd-868a-9dd982cb45a7 at (no spam) v26g2000prm.googlegroups.com>):

Hi friends,

A trouble to me. An opera-fan old gentleman is going to have his
birthday celebration, I was "ordered" to look for a fantastic and more
modern "Der Ring des Nibelungen" CDs for him. Ah, 13+ hours music +
singing, I got no clue, can someone help?

(What kills me is that he knows opera...)

Tonnes of thanks.

Blessings
SF

Get him the Janowski, on RCA. I've taken a long time over it, and have
listened to a lot of sets, and have come to the conclusion that this is
the
best set of all, when all factors are taken into account.

--
Cheers!

Terry



Again I keep going back to what would impress a first timer and I think the

utter lack of any kind of special effects or sonic balances in the very
studio-ish Janowski set vs. the special effects (18 anvils and the whole
bit) in the Solti set would again tilt me towards that Solti set as
impressing a novice. Wagner fan
Wagner Fan...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:32 am
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"Andy" <amhendrick at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
On May 28, 10:53 am, gman <gastonomeis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On May 28, 8:55 am, David Sherman <possibl... at (no spam) possible20.org> wrote:> For
a "modern" Ring cycle:

James Levine and the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra

I don't know what you'll think of the performers on this recording, but
I
saw the production at the Met with Levine conducting and it was beyond
spectacular.

I feel that the Metropolitan Opera Orchestra under the baton of Levine
is
one of the best ensembles in the world. Yes, you heard right - in the
world! Levine's performances are always of the highest caliber.

Released in 2002 on Deutsche Grammophon, it's worth a look.

Not to mention the absolutely MAGNIFICENT Brunnhilde of Hildegard
Behrens, probably the greatest, most complete characterization, and
totally idiomatic. You are right, Levine, the Met Orchestra and the
great Behrens makes this set indispensible.
WagnerMacht

On the subject of inexpensive Rings, I just ordered the Clemens Krauss
version from an Amazon seller for about $7.00, including shipping.
I wasn't really looking to buy that one, but why not for that price.
Appears to be available for about the same on ebay.

It depends on the pressing - the best current remastering is the Opera D'Oro
and the worst is the Archipel which has some strange simulated stereo sound
on the Rheingold. Wagner Fan
Walter Traprock...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:26 pm
Guest
"William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:

Quote:
I like the Boulez, too, but it appears to be only available as a DVD set.

Ach, it's available as CD without libretto:

http://www.amazon.com/Wagner-Ring-Nibelungen-Richard/dp/B000I8OFIM/

i bought it like a year or so ago at borders.
Boulez without Chereau is the way to go.
it's still not completely modern, but take a look at the subject matter!
Paul Goodman...
Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:11 pm
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:23:30 -0700 (PDT), Jeterbug
<CharlesHandelman at (no spam) cs.com> wrote:

Quote:
I do think the DVd Barenboim Ring combines some modern elements with
traditional elements..not a crazy production..but beautifully done..I
highly recommend it to you.....CH

Charles, I do agree with you on the Barenboim Ring DVD. It does have
some unorthodox moments (mostly the way they are dressed), but the
production as a whole is good and the singing and orchestra is
fabulous.

--
Paul Goodman
prgoodm at (no spam) qtm.net
 
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