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Brian Skinner
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:01 am
 
Rishi <chaturvasi@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
While a couple of clues used the anagram Irish for clueing RISHI, no
clue-writer exploited the fact that 'Irish' becomes RISHI by simply
shifting the letter I from first to last.

I think Everyman once used this device but I don't have the clue to
hand.

So -

Will anyone try and write a clue with the above-mentioned ploy.

Poet's Irish setter going to the Far East (5)

(or "far South" if a down clue)
--
Brian
 
Angus Rodgers
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:58 pm
 
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 03:26:51 -0800 (PST), Rishi
<chaturvasi@gmail.com> wrote:

Quote:
While a couple of clues used the anagram Irish for clueing RISHI, no
clue-writer exploited the fact that 'Irish' becomes RISHI by simply
shifting the letter I from first to last.

I think Everyman once used this device but I don't have the clue to
hand.

So -

Will anyone try and write a clue with the above-mentioned ploy.

Holy man from the East of Ireland turns a little to the West (5)

Can I get away with West = left (as on a map), like this? Even if
I can, is "turning to the West" unfairly misleading in that, if it
is understood as a cryptic indication at all, it would naturally be
taken to indicate reversal (of an Across clue)? Probably! Worth
asking, though.
--
Angus Rodgers
(twirlip@ eats spam; reply to angusrod@)
Contains mild peril
 
Vari L. Cinicke
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:15 pm
 
Rishi wrote:
Quote:
While a couple of clues used the anagram Irish for clueing RISHI, no
clue-writer exploited the fact that 'Irish' becomes RISHI by simply
shifting the letter I from first to last.

I think Everyman once used this device but I don't have the clue to
hand.

So -

Will anyone try and write a clue with the above-mentioned ploy.

I can levitate and terminate Irish holy man! (5)

--
Cheers,

vc
 
Flying Tortoise
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:12 pm
 
On Dec 7, 11:26 am, Rishi <chaturv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
While a couple of clues used the anagram Irish for clueing RISHI, no
clue-writer exploited the fact that 'Irish' becomes RISHI by simply
shifting the letter I from first to last.

I think Everyman once used this device but I don't have the clue to
hand.

So -

Will anyone try and write a clue with the above-mentioned ploy.

Sage's like the shamrock I sent from the West to the Far East
 
Angus Rodgers
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:17 pm
 
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:05:34 -0800 (PST), Peter Biddlecombe
<peterbiddlecombe@googlemail.com> wrote:

Quote:
On Dec 7, 4:58 pm, Angus Rodgers <twir...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 03:26:51 -0800 (PST), Rishi

chaturv...@gmail.com> wrote:
While a couple of clues used the anagram Irish for clueing RISHI, no
clue-writer exploited the fact that 'Irish' becomes RISHI by simply
shifting the letter I from first to last.

I think Everyman once used this device but I don't have the clue to
hand.

So -

Will anyone try and write a clue with the above-mentioned ploy.

Holy man from the East of Ireland turns a little to the West (5)

Can I get away with West = left (as on a map), like this? Even if
I can, is "turning to the West" unfairly misleading in that, if it
is understood as a cryptic indication at all, it would naturally be
taken to indicate reversal (of an Across clue)? Probably! Worth
asking, though.

You can certainly use east and west to identify
ends of an across clue and directions in an
across clue.

But I think you've got E & W mixed up here.
If the little is the I in Irish, this has to be moved
to the East to get Rishi. If you're meaning that
the RISH in Irish moves to the west of the I, I
think it's moving more than a little - both in
distance and the amount of stuff that's moving.
Or have I completely missed the point?

I was thinking of a "cyclic permutation", or a "rotation", in a
sense familiar to pure mathematicians, assembly language programmers,
coding theorists, and cryptographers (indeed, I think somebody here
recently used a manual "ROT-1" encoding to disguise an answer to a
clue, and of course the programmed use of "ROT-13" is familiar), in
which the letters R, I, S, and H of IRISH all move 1 place to the
left (the "West"), while the initial letter I "turns the corner" (in
the jargon). It ends up 4 places to the right, but this is still 1
place to the left "modulo 5"! You can think of it as moving the
whole of an infinite repeated array:

...IRISHIRISHIRISHIRISH...
^^^^^
one place to the left, so that the word RISHI ends up in the locations
(denoted by ^^^^^) previously occupied by IRISH.

But this is a rather parochial understanding of "rotation", and it
would never be called "turning" in this context; so I feared (and
probably rightly so), that it just would not make sense in the
cryptic crossword puzzle context - even though it seems "natural"
to me from long familiarity in other contexts.

(Long explanation, sorry!)
--
Angus Rodgers
(twirlip@ eats spam; reply to angusrod@)
Contains mild peril
 
Ilan Caron
Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:32 am
 
On Dec 2, 8:48 pm, Rishi <chaturv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
I declare John K Masters the winner of SCWC 43 .

His clue for the given word RISHI is:

Wise man in central Bihar is hiding (5)


Interestingly in today's Everyman (3194) 2D is: "Sage from Nagpur is
Hindu" (5)
 
Guest
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:15 am
 
On 16 Dec, 13:32, Ilan Caron <ilan.ca...@gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Dec 2, 8:48 pm, Rishi <chaturv...@gmail.com> wrote:

I declare John K Masters the winner of SCWC 43 .

His clue for the given word RISHI is:

Wise man in central Bihar is hiding (5)

Interestingly in today's Everyman (3194) 2D is: "Sage from Nagpur is
Hindu" (5)

Sorry Ilan, I seem to have posted about the same think nearly a day
after you. I apologise, my only excuse is that I don't normally do
usenet via google groups and this thread was lost amongst a load of
M15 paranoia stuff!

Colin
 
 
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