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| Robatoy |
 Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:11 pm |
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In article <krpm01tmdjajadqkropd8077dpcvp5td19@4ax.com>,
Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote:
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Quote: If we accept modern as "last 100 years", then we've just missed the
timeslot for a designer you'd surely agree was better than Stickley -
Harvey Ellis. Looking at any of the "Gustav Stickley" designs the
good stuff is Ellis', the lumpy ugly ones are Gustavs. Sadly the
rarity of their sales was such that Gustav's are now rarer and more
valuable.
I like the mission look and I have looked at Stickley's work up close.
Clean, simple lines. All the joints fit nicely. The finish seems durable.
But what is the big deal?
Allow me...
The big deal is that speculators and dealers got into the fray of
pushing the market of that stuff way over its value. Over 300 grand for
a frickin' desk? Say what? Did VanGogh paint the frickin' thing? Are
there diamond knobs on it? Did Rolex make the drawer tracks? Did Noah
joint the boards for the top? Gimme a break.
Because it is collectable doesn't make it great work or design.
Hell, some clown paid $150,000 for a Plymouth Satellite at a recent
auction. That was a bad car in its day. But somebody wanted it THAT bad.
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Although I do accept your general point, it's also a little unfair to
some of the less well-known but equally skilled designers of recent
years - some of whom are working very much in Stickley's (or Ellis')
style itself.
Man, I couldn't agree more. I have seen WAY better guitar players in
bars that any of those on the top Bilboard 100. (Sliding OT here..but my
point is that just because they're high profile/mega buck stars does not
mean they have talent)
I have seen some excellent furniture from small shops all around Ohio,
Upstate NY, PA even in Ontario and Quebec. That goes for design and
execution of the craft.
A joint can only be made 'so' perfect. Design is in the eye of the
beholder and particularly pleasing if it functions well. And I cannot
recall when I saw a piece and thought it was beautifully made, but ugly.
Holy crap...look at the time..
GONE
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| dzine |
| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:21 pm |
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A 1" board lstarts as a 24" mat of fibre pulp before compression so i
suggest if there is an endgrain it is the edge. So someone has put a
screw into the edge of a board. As to fixing the break up of said board
i use superglue thin and cramp flat before setting. The hole invariable
closes and insert screw again. |
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| dzine |
| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 12:21 pm |
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OK an anology forthwith. Like putting a screw into the front of book or
into the side (between pages). Compressed board=paper - so neat. |
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| TWS |
| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 2:21 pm |
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:03:54 -0500, Tom Watson <notme@erehwon.com>
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bigger difference in holding power.
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| Patriarch |
| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:20 pm |
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Tom Watson <notme@erehwon.com> wrote in
news:59qm019d4sjh6fqnbcv04toe6kgkuknor2@4ax.com:
Just for my education, any idea of the screw holding capabilities of some
of the hardwoods you regularly use, measured in a similar manner?
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| Ed Clarke |
| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:20 pm |
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On 2005-02-10, Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote:
Quote: On 10 Feb 2005 00:16:38 GMT, Ed Clarke <clarke@cilia.org> wrote:
If we accept modern as "last 100 years", then we've just missed the
timeslot for a designer you'd surely agree was better than Stickley -
Harvey Ellis. Looking at any of the "Gustav Stickley" designs the
good stuff is Ellis', the lumpy ugly ones are Gustavs. Sadly the
rarity of their sales was such that Gustav's are now rarer and more
valuable.
Although I do accept your general point, it's also a little unfair to
some of the less well-known but equally skilled designers of recent
years - some of whom are working very much in Stickley's (or Ellis')
style itself.
The problem is that these designers don't have a factory behind them.
With no factory, they can never ever get into a "furniture store".
Therefore, for most Americans, they do not exist.
I'm tired of spending thousands of dollars (Henredon and others) on stuff
that is destined to end up at the curb on bulk trash day. From what I
can see as I pass through furniture stores, everything (mass market
oriented) is designed to be "temporary" and discarded as fashions
change next year.
Changed my sig...
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satisfying as that made by the Arts and Crafts movement in the early years
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| Larry Jaques |
| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:19 pm |
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:22:55 -0500, the inscrutable "Mike Marlow"
<mike6963REMOVE@alltel.net> spake:
Quote:
"BobK207" <rkazanjy@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108013744.279774.274980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
MDF is made from wood fibers that are generated by breaking down wood
chemically to the fiber level.
Translation - termite shit.
Answer to original question: Any given rectangular piece of
particleboard has a total of -6- planes of endgrain. Feh!
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| Larry Jaques |
| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:19 pm |
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:01:38 +0000, the inscrutable Andy Dingley
<dingbat@codesmiths.com> spake:
Quote: On 10 Feb 2005 00:16:38 GMT, Ed Clarke <clarke@cilia.org> wrote:
I can find no modern furniture that is as well designed and emotionally
satisfying as that made by Gustav Stickley in the early years of the last
century.
If we accept modern as "last 100 years", then we've just missed the
timeslot for a designer you'd surely agree was better than Stickley -
Harvey Ellis. Looking at any of the "Gustav Stickley" designs the
good stuff is Ellis', the lumpy ugly ones are Gustavs. Sadly the
rarity of their sales was such that Gustav's are now rarer and more
valuable.
I saw quite a few Stickley and Ellis/Stickley repros in Anchorage, AK
when I was there a couple years ago. I just love Ellis' stuff!
Quote: Although I do accept your general point, it's also a little unfair to
some of the less well-known but equally skilled designers of recent
years - some of whom are working very much in Stickley's (or Ellis')
style itself.
Yes, indeed. Harvey was Stickley's premier designer. Robert Lang just
put out a book on his inlay work. I hope to be doing some of that in
the near future, along with a few other projects.
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| Highland Pairos |
| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:19 pm |
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"Robatoy" <design@BULLtopworks.ca> wrote in message
news:design-02A6E8.10113210022005@nr-tor01.bellnexxia.net...
Quote: In article <krpm01tmdjajadqkropd8077dpcvp5td19@4ax.com>,
Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote:
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Hell, some clown paid $150,000 for a Plymouth Satellite at a recent
auction. That was a bad car in its day. But somebody wanted it THAT bad.
You have got to be kidding. I drove one of those in high school.
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| Will |
| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 6:19 pm |
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Larry Jaques wrote:
Quote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:22:55 -0500, the inscrutable "Mike Marlow"
mike6963REMOVE@alltel.net> spake:
"BobK207" <rkazanjy@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1108013744.279774.274980@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
MDF is made from wood fibers that are generated by breaking down wood
chemically to the fiber level.
Translation - termite shit.
Answer to original question: Any given rectangular piece of
particleboard has a total of -6- planes of endgrain. Feh!
Where some are less equal than others. :-)
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| Ed Clarke |
| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:19 pm |
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On 2005-02-10, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di> wrote:
Quote: Although I do accept your general point, it's also a little unfair to
some of the less well-known but equally skilled designers of recent
years - some of whom are working very much in Stickley's (or Ellis')
style itself.
Yes, indeed. Harvey was Stickley's premier designer. Robert Lang just
put out a book on his inlay work. I hope to be doing some of that in
the near future, along with a few other projects.
Just found this site: http://www.arts-crafts.com when I was searching for
info on another bookcase ( Charles Limbert ). I've started digging up
lots of names because I bought a complete CD-ROM copy of "The Craftsman"
from 1901 through 1916 on eBay. This is the guy I bought it from:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4526387303
I discovered (much to my amazement) that William Morris the chair designer
also wrote a book that I enjoyed very much.
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satisfying as that made by the Arts and Crafts movement in the early years
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| Rick Cook |
| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 10:19 pm |
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Ed Clarke wrote:
Quote: On 2005-02-10, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di> wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:01:38 +0000, the inscrutable Andy Dingley
dingbat@codesmiths.com> spake:
Although I do accept your general point, it's also a little unfair to
some of the less well-known but equally skilled designers of recent
years - some of whom are working very much in Stickley's (or Ellis')
style itself.
Yes, indeed. Harvey was Stickley's premier designer. Robert Lang just
put out a book on his inlay work. I hope to be doing some of that in
the near future, along with a few other projects.
Just found this site: http://www.arts-crafts.com when I was searching for
info on another bookcase ( Charles Limbert ). I've started digging up
lots of names because I bought a complete CD-ROM copy of "The Craftsman"
from 1901 through 1916 on eBay. This is the guy I bought it from:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4526387303
I discovered (much to my amazement) that William Morris the chair designer
also wrote a book that I enjoyed very much.
Morris wrote a lot more than one book! He was a 19th Century polymath
who designed everything from furniture to fabrics and wrote books from
fiction to poetry to books on design.
Find some more of his stuff. You're likely to be astonished at his range
and inspired by his thoughts on design.
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| Larry Jaques |
| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 12:20 am |
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On 10 Feb 2005 23:53:33 GMT, the inscrutable Ed Clarke
<clarke@cilia.org> spake:
Quote: On 2005-02-10, Larry Jaques <novalidaddress@di> wrote:
Yes, indeed. Harvey was Stickley's premier designer. Robert Lang just
put out a book on his inlay work. I hope to be doing some of that in
the near future, along with a few other projects.
Just found this site: http://www.arts-crafts.com when I was searching for
info on another bookcase ( Charles Limbert ). I've started digging up
lots of names because I bought a complete CD-ROM copy of "The Craftsman"
from 1901 through 1916 on eBay. This is the guy I bought it from:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4526387303
Looks interesting. Is it worth the steep price? I have over a dozen
very nice A&C books now, including 2 of Lang's Craftsman furniture
books and the latest, "Shop Drawings for Craftsman Inlays & Hardware :
Original Designs by Gustav Stickley and Harvey Ellis" (Shop Drawings
series)
Quote: I discovered (much to my amazement) that William Morris the chair designer
also wrote a book that I enjoyed very much.
He was a prolific author. His fabric designs are still being
reproduced by Sanderson in GB. Lovely stuff going for a mere
$40 to $60/yd. <thud> http://www.sanderson-uk.com
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| Rob Mitchell |
| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 2:17 am |
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Robatoy wrote:
Quote: even melamine. A client of mine cut 2' x 2' panels from PB and 'tiled'
his workshop floor with them... he edgebanded each tile with 3/8" oak
strips. 3 coats of Fabulon and it looks like cork. A great, cheap floor.
..ran out of tea...gone
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Any problem with moisture absorption? Was the oak just decorative, or ?
That would make a cheap floor covering. |
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| Fly-by-Night CC |
| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 6:12 am |
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In article <krpm01tmdjajadqkropd8077dpcvp5td19@4ax.com>,
Andy Dingley <dingbat@codesmiths.com> wrote:
Quote: If we accept modern as "last 100 years", then we've just missed the
timeslot for a designer you'd surely agree was better than Stickley -
Harvey Ellis. Looking at any of the "Gustav Stickley" designs the
good stuff is Ellis', the lumpy ugly ones are Gustavs. Sadly the
rarity of their sales was such that Gustav's are now rarer and more
valuable.
Although I do accept your general point, it's also a little unfair to
some of the less well-known but equally skilled designers of recent
years - some of whom are working very much in Stickley's (or Ellis')
style itself.
Of the mass market manufacturers of the time, I think many of Limbert's
designs are outstanding and set themselves apart from the Stickley's.
The cutouts and gothic arches, I find very appealing. I would agree with
Ellis' designs too - especially the beautiful inlay pieces.
The Roycrofters is a puzzler to me - they branded almost all of their
furniture with a big ol' Roycroft logo right on the very front. Signing
one's work is one thing, but sheesh.
Of course, as I'm sure you know, the A&C movement was all about honoring
the individual artisan and craftsman and rejecting the factory clones
brought about by industrialization of the late Victorian era. It was
about purposeful design and not merely because the technology to stamp
out thousands of copies of an intricate design by machine was now
possible. (Just because one can do something doesn't mean it adds value
to the end product.) The irony is that the very movement that honored
the skill of the individual was appropriated by mass production
factories wherein the worker was just an operator of a machine.
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Owen Lowe and his Fly-by-Night Copper Company
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