I recently read a newpaper article from the 1940s which mentioned in
passing that the then Taoiseach (and later President), Eamon de Valera,
was armigerous. What were his arms? Of course, he was later awarded the
Supreme Order of Christ, etc. (depite having been excommunicated IIRC).

Regards,
The Chief

The Chief wrote:
I recently read a newpaper article from the 1940s which mentioned in
passing that the then Taoiseach (and later President), Eamon de Valera,
was armigerous. What were his arms? Of course, he was later awarded the
Supreme Order of Christ, etc. (depite having been excommunicated IIRC).

The Chief wrote:
I recently read a newpaper article from the 1940s which mentioned in
passing that the then Taoiseach (and later President), Eamon de Valera,
was armigerous. What were his arms? Of course, he was later awarded the
Supreme Order of Christ, etc. (depite having been excommunicated IIRC).

Supreme Order of Christ *after* being excommunicated? How'd he pull that
one?

The Chief wrote:
I recently read a newpaper article from the 1940s which mentioned in
passing that the then Taoiseach (and later President), Eamon de Valera,
was armigerous. What were his arms? Of course, he was later awarded the
Supreme Order of Christ, etc. (depite having been excommunicated IIRC).

Supreme Order of Christ *after* being excommunicated? How'd he pull that
one?

The concept of "presidential families" cannot exist in a Republic as
the people vote for an individual to serve a term as president and, in
the case of Ireland, not more than two such terms. The citizen who
becomes our President does so as per Bunreacht na hÉireann
(Constitution of Ireland) and on leaving office, that citizen returns
to life as an ordinary citizen.

Michael Merrigan

The concept of "presidential families" cannot exist in a Republic as
the people vote for an individual to serve a term as president and, in
the case of Ireland, not more than two such terms. The citizen who
becomes our President does so as per Bunreacht na hÉireann
(Constitution of Ireland) and on leaving office, that citizen returns
to life as an ordinary citizen.

Michael Merrigan

Once again A Thoaisigh, hiding behind the name - deal with the issue.
The concept of "presidential families" - the fact that the president
becomes a member of the Council of State does not change the position
that such may not exist in a republic. Your failure to deal with the
issue is clear - either you accept what I said is correct or not.

Your position that you seem to recall that an organisation with which
I "was
intimately connected went around bestowing the style of "Excellency" on
all and sundry a few short years ago" is interesting. Would you like
to expand on that with your real name and address?

Michael Merrigan

Once again A Thoaisigh, hiding behind the name - deal with the issue.
The concept of "presidential families" - the fact that the president
becomes a member of the Council of State does not change the position
that such may not exist in a republic. Your failure to deal with the
issue is clear - either you accept what I said is correct or not.

Your position that you seem to recall that an organisation with which
I "was
intimately connected went around bestowing the style of "Excellency" on
all and sundry a few short years ago" is interesting. Would you like
to expand on that with your real name and address?

Michael Merrigan

Indeed, a Thaoisigh, your position is exposed when you won't give your
real name and indeed, when you said "that an organisation with which I
was intimately connected went around bestowing the style of
"Excellency" on all and sundry a few short years ago" is quite
incorrect.

Mr. Maguire was a guest of the Dun Laoghaire Genealogical Society at
that Conference in 1999 and he provided the "style" by which he was to
be addressed. This individual was recognised by the State as "The
Maguire of Fermanagh" at the time and indeed, he remained so recognised
until the position of courtesy recognition was abolished.

The Dun Laoghaire Genealogical Society cannot be blamed for recognising
this individual as "The Maguire, Prince of Fermanagh" when the State
and others advocated this position. In fact he was never
"de-recognised" by the State.

But when you say "all and sundry" - a Thaoisigh, you are mistaken and
therefore, it is clear that you cannot use your real name and address
to state such, can you?

Michael Merrigan