As I said, I can live with the shooting the deer in the yard from inside the
house.  Finishing it with a pocket knife isn't necessarily the way I'd do
it, and I certainly wouldn't stand on a swivel chair with a loaded, cocked
crossbow, I value my life too much for that.

But what do you guys think about deliberately taking a neck shot on a deer
with an arrow?

Ok, I occasionally go to another site that is primarily about hunting.  In
one post, a guy from Ohio announced his first "bow killed deer" and
proceeded to tell the story.

He lives in a rural area and was getting tired of deer tearing up his newly
planted fruit trees and decided to harvest one or two.  I don't really see a
problem with that.

He decided that he'd shoot it from inside his house, treating it like it's a
big, year round blind.  (I'm not too ok with that, but I can live with that
as long as it's legal in that area.)

A doe came into the yard, so he cocked his crossbow, loaded it up with a
broadhead equipped arrow and snuck upstairs.  Opening a window, he realized
that he didn't have the clearance to get the shot, so he climbed up on a
swivel chair with a cocked and loaded crossbow and attempted to shoot the
deer.  (Personally I think from a safety standpoint, that's an extremely
dumb thing to do, but hey, it's his life not mine."

Then, because he didn't have a nice broadside shot, he shot at the deer's
neck, knocking it down.  As he approached the deer, it got back up and ran
into a nearby cornfield and fell again, whereupon he finished the deer off
with his pocket knife.

As I said, I can live with the shooting the deer in the yard from inside the
house.  Finishing it with a pocket knife isn't necessarily the way I'd do
it, and I certainly wouldn't stand on a swivel chair with a loaded, cocked
crossbow, I value my life too much for that.

But what do you guys think about deliberately taking a neck shot on a deer
with an arrow?

As I said, I can live with the shooting the deer in the yard from inside the
house. Finishing it with a pocket knife isn't necessarily the way I'd do
it, and I certainly wouldn't stand on a swivel chair with a loaded, cocked
crossbow, I value my life too much for that.

But what do you guys think about deliberately taking a neck shot on a deer
with an arrow?

"ratman1211" <barbara466 at (no spam) CENTURYTEL.NET> wrote in message<SNIP


I agree with this one about the guy being a looney tune. Never shot a
crossbow
so can't speak for them be it good or bad. Now as far as compound bows I
personally
would aim for the heart and lung area. The original posters story reminds me
of the
so called professional hunter that works with me. According to him he has
never missed a shot with a bow or gun or whatever he has in his hands at the
time.
And yes I value my life way too much as well to be standing in and/or on
anything mobile, other than my own two feet, and have a loaded weapon in my
hands.
Ya'll have a good one and am gonna be going out to do a little bowhunting
this afternoon
myself. A side note to the original poster. How is your heart doing? Got my
results back from
the Cardiolite stress test that I had recently. Normal heart ejection rate
is 50-55 percent and
the test have shown that even the though heart attack I had did all the
damage to the front muscles
of the heart and the scarring of the tissue, mine is doing real well at 53
percent. So fellow
hunters take care of yourself and be safe out there.

LOL, now this character is back on the website trying to defend his actions.
I called him to task for standing on a swivel chair with a loaded/cocked
crossbow and he said that he "knew" that if he slipped that the arrow would
only go into the ceiling or the wall, and that he was in no danger......

He also said that shooting at the deer's neck was the only opportunity to
shoot this deer. I asked him if they were coming into his yard so often as
to be a nuisance, and if they were coming in so often that they were killing
his fruit trees, why didn't he simply wait for the deer to either present
the proper shot angle, or wait for them to return??? He hasn't bothered to
respond to that yet. In his last post, he was asking "How far do you think
I can shoot a deer with this crossbow?" Good Lord, what a goober!

On the subject of my heart, nothing's really changed in the past three
years. I still suffer bouts of shortness of breath and chest pain, but a
nitro tab or two (or three or four) usually stops the pain. But, I'm still
looking down at the dirt and have moved from northern Wisconsin to West
Tennessee to take advantage of the nicer weather, lower taxes and good
outdoor opportunities. Now I'm looking to find some deer hunting territory.
I've done a little scouting on the Land Between the Lakes area, but when I
find a likely looking spot, I also find signs that others are hunting the
area. I don't want to screw up someone else's hunt do I'll keep looking.
To complicate matters, I don't want to go too far in, because if I do drop
one back in there, I don't want to kill myself dragging it out. I used to
hunt with my son and he'd help me with those duties, but he couldn't
convince his girlfriend to move from Wisconsin to Tennessee.....

And I agree, guys, watch yourself out there. Have fun, but be safe.

"ratman1211" <barbara466 at (no spam) CENTURYTEL.NET> wrote in message<SNIP


I agree with this one about the guy being a looney tune. Never shot a
crossbow
so can't speak for them be it good or bad. Now as far as compound bows I
personally
would aim for the heart and lung area. The original posters story
reminds me of the
so called professional hunter that works with me. According to him he has
never missed a shot with a bow or gun or whatever he has in his hands at
the time.
And yes I value my life way too much as well to be standing in and/or on
anything mobile, other than my own two feet, and have a loaded weapon in
my hands.
Ya'll have a good one and am gonna be going out to do a little
bowhunting this afternoon
myself. A side note to the original poster. How is your heart doing? Got
my results back from
the Cardiolite stress test that I had recently. Normal heart ejection
rate is 50-55 percent and
the test have shown that even the though heart attack I had did all the
damage to the front muscles
of the heart and the scarring of the tissue, mine is doing real well at
53 percent. So fellow
hunters take care of yourself and be safe out there.

LOL, now this character is back on the website trying to defend his
actions. I called him to task for standing on a swivel chair with a
loaded/cocked crossbow and he said that he "knew" that if he slipped
that the arrow would only go into the ceiling or the wall, and that he
was in no danger......

He also said that shooting at the deer's neck was the only opportunity
to shoot this deer. I asked him if they were coming into his yard so
often as to be a nuisance, and if they were coming in so often that they
were killing his fruit trees, why didn't he simply wait for the deer to
either present the proper shot angle, or wait for them to return??? He
hasn't bothered to respond to that yet. In his last post, he was asking
"How far do you think I can shoot a deer with this crossbow?" Good
Lord, what a goober!

On the subject of my heart, nothing's really changed in the past three
years. I still suffer bouts of shortness of breath and chest pain, but
a nitro tab or two (or three or four) usually stops the pain. But, I'm
still looking down at the dirt and have moved from northern Wisconsin to
West Tennessee to take advantage of the nicer weather, lower taxes and
good outdoor opportunities. Now I'm looking to find some deer hunting
territory. I've done a little scouting on the Land Between the Lakes
area, but when I find a likely looking spot, I also find signs that
others are hunting the area. I don't want to screw up someone else's
hunt do I'll keep looking. To complicate matters, I don't want to go too
far in, because if I do drop one back in there, I don't want to kill
myself dragging it out. I used to hunt with my son and he'd help me
with those duties, but he couldn't convince his girlfriend to move from
Wisconsin to Tennessee.....

And I agree, guys, watch yourself out there. Have fun, but be safe.

I hunt with a crossbow and have trouble with deer in my yard but
cannot shoot them.
Personally, I would not have told this story as it is not real hunting
requiring set up and chase. It's not hunting - it's pest control.

Crossbow with scope at close range might allow neck shot but I would
never take one even with a rifle as if you miss by a few inches you
are out of the vital areas compared with the standard broadside chest
shot. I've accidently made neck and spine shots and, while it can
anchor the deer, it can be messy requiring more shots or neck
slitting. It is unsettling not to make a clean kill.

I got a crossbow permit because of back problems. Advantage of
crossbow is that very little movement is required to get on target as
bow is cocked and on hand like a rifle. Today's modern compounds have
nearly as much power, speed and accuracy, so crossbow does not have
these advantages. I know a guy with a compound this year that shot a
buck at 48 yards which is something I would not have attempted with my
crossbow.

Frank wrote:
I hunt with a crossbow and have trouble with deer in my yard but
cannot shoot them.
Personally, I would not have told this story as it is not real hunting
requiring set up and chase. It's not hunting - it's pest control.

Out of all the deer I have shot in my entire life, only 1 was by
"chasing it". That one was my trip to Wyoming. The rest of them were
sitting in a stand watching a feeder or food plot.

Well, except for the one I shot (naked) from my back door. :-)


Imho, "hunting" is in the preparation. The pulling of a trigger (or a
bow string) is pretty irrelevant.




Crossbow with scope at close range might allow neck shot but I would
never take one even with a rifle as if you miss by a few inches you
are out of the vital areas compared with the standard broadside chest
shot. I've accidently made neck and spine shots and, while it can
anchor the deer, it can be messy requiring more shots or neck
slitting. It is unsettling not to make a clean kill.

Neck shots are not something I personally do, but I don't mind other
people taking them with a gun. The hydrostatic shock is sufficient to
cleanly kill.

But this is not something you get with an arrow. Arrows kill by
exsanguination (bleeding the animal). And you have to get pretty lucky
to hit a blood vessel of of enough size to effectively exsanguinate the
aniaml. Thus, neck shots with a bow would be in the "not ethical"
category (note that the list of things I put into that category is
REALLY SMALL as I am loathe to do anything that pits hunter v hunter).


I got a crossbow permit because of back problems. Advantage of
crossbow is that very little movement is required to get on target as
bow is cocked and on hand like a rifle. Today's modern compounds have
nearly as much power, speed and accuracy, so crossbow does not have
these advantages. I know a guy with a compound this year that shot a
buck at 48 yards which is something I would not have attempted with my
crossbow.

I'll agree with you on the power & speed categories (in fact, a compound
usually has MORE). But not on the accuracy....

Back when I shot a compound, it took me 2 years of practicing 5
days/week before I got my first "robin hood". My (at the time) 8 yo
daughter got a "robin hood" on her FIRST 2 bolts w/ a crossbow. This
occurred at the Texas Parks & Wildlife Expo (a big family-friendly fair)
where they had a range setup for kids. Turns out, a dozen or so other
kids had done the same thing during the day....

re: the heart. I hope you're following through with a good cardiologist.
An echo is only one test and looks at the heart as a whole and not the
coronary arteries. My last follow up was with an echo and cardiolite
stress test. Angioplasty with stents got rid of my angina and I carry
nitro tabs but have never used a single one. Heart healthy diet which is
mostly low fat and limited red meat, fish oil and Lipitor have given what
cardiologist considers as perfect cholesterol and lipid results. With
your moves, make sure you keep up with your health.

CRAP! This was supposed to go to Frank personally, not the group. Sorry

Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com wrote:
CRAP! This was supposed to go to Frank personally, not the group. Sorry

Well, you can delete it, can't you?

Steve at (no spam) OutdoorFrontiers.com wrote:
CRAP! This was supposed to go to Frank personally, not the group. Sorry

Well, you can delete it, can't you?

CRAP!  This was supposed to go to Frank personally, not the group.  Sorry