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Peter Belfontain...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:38 pm
Guest
Hi all,

I'm looking for something like a tiny motor to drive the wings of my
(small) scale windmill (it's going in a diorama of sorts). Since the wings
are very light, it only needs a tiny amount of power and torque. It must
also be very low RPM.

Does anyone know of any guides / shops / web resources in this direction?
The best I seem to be able to do is high-RPM motors that are then geared
down (seems like a complicated solution, not to mention expensive Sad)

BR
Pete
 
Musicman59...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:38 pm
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On Nov 2, 11:38 am, Peter Belfontain <no.s... at (no spam) please.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hi all,

I'm looking for something like a tiny motor to drive the wings of my
(small) scale windmill (it's going in a diorama of sorts). Since the wings
are very light, it only needs a tiny amount of power and torque. It must
also be very low RPM.

Does anyone know of any guides / shops / web resources in this direction?
The best I seem to be able to do is high-RPM motors that are then geared
down (seems like a complicated solution, not to mention expensive Sad)

BR
Pete

doesn't Tamiya make a series of rotating display bases? Pretty sure
those things have a low rpm.

Craig
 
...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:38 pm
Guest
There are some of the Euro kits which come with a small motor (usually
16 V AC as that is the current from most model railroad transformers
for accessories) and a gear tower inside a box to cut down the speed
to a reasonable 5-6 rpm. You could look for one of those.

Cookie Sewell

PS I have an old East German windmill with such a motor and gearbox
but have never tested the motor; at the end of the day it WAS East
German and not noted for quality control!
 
Musicman59...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:38 pm
Guest
Quote:
PS I have an old East German windmill with such a motor and gearbox
but have never tested the motor; at the end of the day it WAS East
German and not noted for quality control!

Yes, but they did have very cute female olympic athletes....


Craig
 
...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:38 pm
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On Nov 2, 7:37�pm, Musicman59 <cwestbro... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote:
PS I have an old East German windmill with such a motor and gearbox
but have never tested the motor; at the end of the day it WAS East
German and not noted for quality control!

Yes, but they did have very cute female olympic athletes....

Craig

Not the ones I remember - other than Katarina Witt most of them were
hard to tell from the men!

Cookie Sewell
 
Wayne C. Morris...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:14 pm
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In article <Xns9CB7D1EFC940xxcom at (no spam) 69.16.186.51>,
Peter Belfontain <no.spam at (no spam) please.com> wrote:

Quote:
I'm looking for something like a tiny motor to drive the wings of my
(small) scale windmill (it's going in a diorama of sorts). Since the wings
are very light, it only needs a tiny amount of power and torque. It must
also be very low RPM.

Does anyone know of any guides / shops / web resources in this direction?
The best I seem to be able to do is high-RPM motors that are then geared
down (seems like a complicated solution, not to mention expensive Sad)


Cell phone & pager vibrator motors are small and not terribly expensive, but
they're high RPM.

How much room is there inside the windmill? You may be able to find a cheap
wristwatch or clock mechanism with a second hand to give you 1 RPM. But it
could be tricky figuring out how to extend the second hand's shaft and attach
the windmill blades.

An easier approach would be to put the motor in the base of the diorama where
there's more room. Put a large pulley on the windmill's axle, a small pulley on
the motor, and a rubber band as a drive belt. If you can't find suitable
pulleys, make 'em out of sheet plastic and glue onto the axles. Much easier
than finding/making gears.

If necessary, you can reduce the speed even more by adding another axle with
large & small pulleys. One rubber band from the motor to the axle's large
pulley; another rubber band from the axle's small pulley to the windmill's
larger pulley.
 
Mike Smith...
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:27 pm
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"Wayne C. Morris" <wayne.morris at (no spam) this.is.invalid> wrote in message
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Quote:
In article <Xns9CB7D1EFC940xxcom at (no spam) 69.16.186.51>,
Peter Belfontain <no.spam at (no spam) please.com> wrote:

I'm looking for something like a tiny motor to drive the wings of my
(small) scale windmill (it's going in a diorama of sorts). Since the
wings
are very light, it only needs a tiny amount of power and torque. It must
also be very low RPM.

Does anyone know of any guides / shops / web resources in this direction?
The best I seem to be able to do is high-RPM motors that are then geared
down (seems like a complicated solution, not to mention expensive Sad)


Cell phone & pager vibrator motors are small and not terribly expensive,
but
they're high RPM.

How much room is there inside the windmill? You may be able to find a
cheap
wristwatch or clock mechanism with a second hand to give you 1 RPM. But
it
could be tricky figuring out how to extend the second hand's shaft and
attach
the windmill blades.

An easier approach would be to put the motor in the base of the diorama
where
there's more room. Put a large pulley on the windmill's axle, a small
pulley on
the motor, and a rubber band as a drive belt. If you can't find suitable
pulleys, make 'em out of sheet plastic and glue onto the axles. Much
easier
than finding/making gears.

If necessary, you can reduce the speed even more by adding another axle
with
large & small pulleys. One rubber band from the motor to the axle's large
pulley; another rubber band from the axle's small pulley to the windmill's
larger pulley.

Worm drive might be worth considering, you may find a suitable s/h loco with
damaged body - Noise would be a problem though and there may be chaper
alternatives.
Cameras have small motors in them, someone built an 'entire layout' (pinched
oval around a palm tree) on a business card that used one in the loco.
Beyond that you get into the seriously odd, small fan driving 'turbine' with
extra 'blades' at right angles to rotation on the outside to reduce the
speed (as per the devices used on some large clocks). Not terribly
practical, but it would be satisfying to get it to work.
For low noise a pump circulating water to a wheel, the base of which is in
the receiver tank to act as a brake.
It is worth considering odd ideas, they may contain the germ of a practical
solution.
Chap in the UK gave his semaphoe arms 'bounce' using a swinging arm with a
coin on the end, this was pivoted at the bease, from where the operating
wire actuated the signal arm. The long arm was set between stretched rubber
bands, pull the cord to lift the arm over centre and it falls down against
the rubber, giving a very convincing bounce to the signal arm.
Good luck, if you work out a solution please post, I have a (30 year old)
Airfix windmill awaiting such inspiration,

Regards

Mike
 
Peter W....
Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:08 pm
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On Nov 2, 2:38 pm, Peter Belfontain <no.s... at (no spam) please.com> wrote:
Quote:
Hi all,

I'm looking for something like a tiny motor to drive the wings of my
(small) scale windmill (it's going in a diorama of sorts). Since the wings
are very light, it only needs a tiny amount of power and torque. It must
also be very low RPM.

Does anyone know of any guides / shops / web resources in this direction?
The best I seem to be able to do is high-RPM motors that are then geared
down (seems like a complicated solution, not to mention expensive Sad)

BR
Pete

You have the right idea. It needs to be a geared electric motor to
give you the speed you need. You don't need to build it yourself. You
can buy a geared motor (cheaply). Here are some:
http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/products.asp?dept=1300

Also remember that running these motors at reduced voltage will
decrease their RPMs even further. If the motor is too large to fit in
your windmill then place it under the model them use pulleys with a
belt (rubber band?) to transfer the motion to the windmill blades.

Peteski
 
Alan Dicey...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:26 am
Guest
Peter Belfontain wrote:
Quote:
Hi all,

I'm looking for something like a tiny motor to drive the wings of my
(small) scale windmill (it's going in a diorama of sorts). Since the wings
are very light, it only needs a tiny amount of power and torque. It must
also be very low RPM.

Geared motors are the only way, no direct drive electric motor will turn
slowly enough. Rubber-band drive and a couple of small-to-large pulley
sets would reduce the rpm of a motor, you just need somewhere to mount
it all.

Windmills have sails rather than wings, by the way Smile
 
OldSchool...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:17 am
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On Nov 3, 11:15 am, Alan Dicey <a... at (no spam) diceyhome.free-online.co.uk>
wrote:
Quote:
Don Stauffer wrote:
Alan Dicey wrote:
Peter Belfontain wrote:
Hi all,

I'm looking for something like a tiny motor to drive the wings of my
(small) scale windmill (it's going in a diorama of sorts). Since the
wings are very light, it only needs a tiny amount of power and
torque. It must also be very low RPM.

Geared motors are the only way, no direct drive electric motor will
turn slowly enough.  Rubber-band drive and a couple of small-to-large
pulley sets would reduce the rpm of a motor, you just need somewhere
to mount it all.

Windmills have sails rather than wings, by the way :-)

How about if he calls it a "wind turbine?"  Don't turbines have blades?

Oh, yes, modern wind turbines have variable-pitch blades :-)

Old-style windmills have sails, which are trimmed for adjustment, or can
be reefed.  Automatic sails include Hooper's roller reefing sails and
Cubitt's patent sails:  almost all the terminology is the same as that
used for sailing ships.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Sails ? as in Old World / Dutch windmills? I'd pictured the type
seen in Westerns (with small vanes) or even paddle-style blades.

In any event, Edmund Scientifics / scientificsonline have a couple of
things that might be of interest:

Planetary Gearbox Box Set (16:1 to 400:1), Tamiya America see:

http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3052408

(~$23 US / approx 3.5 rpm at 400:1)

or perhaps

4 rpm / 3 volt motor:

http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp_Q_pn_E_3085047 (~$20 US)
 
Don Stauffer...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:11 am
Guest
Alan Dicey wrote:
Quote:
Peter Belfontain wrote:
Hi all,

I'm looking for something like a tiny motor to drive the wings of my
(small) scale windmill (it's going in a diorama of sorts). Since the
wings are very light, it only needs a tiny amount of power and torque.
It must also be very low RPM.

Geared motors are the only way, no direct drive electric motor will turn
slowly enough. Rubber-band drive and a couple of small-to-large pulley
sets would reduce the rpm of a motor, you just need somewhere to mount
it all.

Windmills have sails rather than wings, by the way Smile

How about if he calls it a "wind turbine?" Don't turbines have blades?

Incidently, in my readings on birth of aerodynamics, I feel most
historians have left out nautical architects, who in the nineteenth
century were indeed starting to research the forces on sails. While
most of the early technical developers of aviation were civil engineers,
I suspect some of them may well have had conversations with the nautical
guys.
 
Alan Dicey...
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:15 am
Guest
Don Stauffer wrote:
Quote:
Alan Dicey wrote:
Peter Belfontain wrote:
Hi all,

I'm looking for something like a tiny motor to drive the wings of my
(small) scale windmill (it's going in a diorama of sorts). Since the
wings are very light, it only needs a tiny amount of power and
torque. It must also be very low RPM.

Geared motors are the only way, no direct drive electric motor will
turn slowly enough. Rubber-band drive and a couple of small-to-large
pulley sets would reduce the rpm of a motor, you just need somewhere
to mount it all.

Windmills have sails rather than wings, by the way :-)

How about if he calls it a "wind turbine?" Don't turbines have blades?

Oh, yes, modern wind turbines have variable-pitch blades :-)

Old-style windmills have sails, which are trimmed for adjustment, or can
be reefed. Automatic sails include Hooper's roller reefing sails and
Cubitt's patent sails: almost all the terminology is the same as that
used for sailing ships.
 
OM...
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 12:15 am
Guest
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:38:00 GMT, Peter Belfontain
<no.spam at (no spam) please.com> wrote:

Quote:
Hi all,

I'm looking for something like a tiny motor to drive the wings of my
(small) scale windmill (it's going in a diorama of sorts). Since the wings
are very light, it only needs a tiny amount of power and torque. It must
also be very low RPM.

Does anyone know of any guides / shops / web resources in this direction?
The best I seem to be able to do is high-RPM motors that are then geared
down (seems like a complicated solution, not to mention expensive Sad)

....I've a question out of curiosity: are you looking at a motor small
enough to direct drive the mill blades, or are you looking at
duplicating the same drive shaft mechanism a full-scale windmill would
implement?


OM
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PaPa Peng...
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:04 pm
Guest
Quote:

Geared motors are the only way, no direct drive electric motor will turn
slowly enough.  Rubber-band drive and a couple of small-to-large pulley
sets would reduce the rpm of a motor, you just need somewhere to mount
it all.

One more possibility. A magnet coupling(?) Motor spins a disc with a
fridge magnet. Windmill vanes attached to another fridge magnet
(available for $1 for half a dozen at the Dollar Store crafts section)
placed close to but not touching the disc. Depending on the
separation distance the vanes may move fast or slower
 
PaPa Peng...
Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:25 pm
Guest
PaPa Peng wrote:
Quote:

Geared motors are the only way, no direct drive electric motor will turn
slowly enough.  Rubber-band drive and a couple of small-to-large pulley
sets would reduce the rpm of a motor, you just need somewhere to mount
it all.

One more possibility. A magnet coupling(?) Motor spins a disc with a
fridge magnet. Windmill vanes attached to another fridge magnet
(available for $1 for half a dozen at the Dollar Store crafts section)
placed close to but not touching the disc. Depending on the
separation distance the vanes may move fast or slower

One more suggestion. In the same dollar stores are hand held battery
powered propeller fans. There you have a self contained motor unit
complete with battery holder and switch. Adapt to power the fridge
magnet clutch for your windmill.

Another idea. Funnel the fan's air output to blow up through the
windmill structure and onto the back of the windmill's vanes. Sound's
neat.
 
 
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